Sheens biggest mistake all year

[mtd]

how can you write off moltzen as a half when he has barely been given a recent chance? we persisted with lui and he came good. moltzen would have too.

 

[madunit]

Moltzen's passing game from first receiver is better than Marshall''s. Its no surprise that Moltzen and Marshall have a close friendship and that is evident when they play in the halves together. Moltzen gives Benji good ball and room to move. Thats nearly everything we need from a 7.

Too often Lui was standing around like a Brown cow.

 

[barra]

Needed to choose a half-back and stick with the player. Unfortunately Moltzen has little or no kicking game, which is an integral part of being a decent halfback so eitherHumble or Miller should have been selected and kept there.

 

[mtd]

Needed to choose a half-back and stick with the player. Unfortunately Moltzen has little or no kicking game, which is an integral part of being a decent halfback so eitherHumble or Miller should have been selected and kept there.

no kicking game?
mate he could kick 40/20s from our own 20.
i still have no idea why we dont utilise his boot. its a big reason the waratahs were after him.

 

[barra]

MTD I think I've seen Moltzen kick a few times - all big kicks, whereas from 1/2 a lot need to be short kicks. And it rarely came out of the trick bag in any case, so yes I put him in the no kicking game bracket. Either he has no confidence in his own boot or those around him have no confidence, same thing really.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Needed to choose a half-back and stick with the player. Unfortunately Moltzen has little or no kicking game, which is an integral part of being a decent halfback so eitherHumble or Miller should have been selected and kept there.

Let Farah, Marshall or Anasta handle the kicking then. We don't need Andrew Johns at halfback to challenge for the title with the talent we have in our squad.

 

[mtd]

so when we are coming out of our own half and kick it straight down the throat of the opposite fb on their own 30m line, thats better than the ball rolling in goal away from opposition players?

our short kicking game is rubbish and farah is one of the worst. marshall has started getting better.

 

[supercoach]

Sheens has always had a mind set, that you pick your best 17 players available, not the 17 best for their positions. So when injuries hit you dont replace a 6 with a 6 or a 7 with a 7 rather than you shuffle your team around and promote the 18th best player in the club, now that 18th best player could be a winger or a prop. If he had left Moltzen at 7 or even decided that Humble would be his six or seven fill when required,2012 would have been a little better–but only a little

 

[bonstonker]

Moltzen's passing game from first receiver is better than Marshall''s. Its no surprise that Moltzen and Marshall have a close friendship and that is evident when they play in the halves together. Moltzen gives Benji good ball and room to move. Thats nearly everything we need from a 7.

Too often Lui was standing around like a Brown cow.

a backline that relies solely on benji is not what we need from a 7.

 

[bonstonker]

how can you write off moltzen as a half when he has barely been given a recent chance? we persisted with lui and he came good. moltzen would have too.

lui had the skillset for a half and the natural instinct.
moltzen doesn't.
he's just quick.

 

[kh_canada]

Furthermore, Moltzen has played halfback several times beforevwith success. He trained all off-season at halfback. Lui is not a factor in that aspect.

**We would have made the finals if Moltzen was kept at 7 & benji at 6**.

Fact is, we lost a fullback and failed to replace him with a fullback all year, but it stupidly lead to regular shuffling in the halves which just makes no sense whatsoever.

Now your dreaming… There is no guarantee's we would have made anything with that Halves Combination.

We 'could' have won the Wooden Spoon if we kept Moltzen at 7 and Benji at 6, but I guess we will never know?!

Not dreaming at all. Lui in 2010 wasn't all that good, we still made the finals. Moltzen in 2012 at halfback would have been performing between 2010 Lui and 2011 Lui. A settled halves combo would have got us to the top 8.

Sutton and a kid with no NRL experience made the top 4 ffs!

We had no direction all year and it came from having an unsettled halves combo for the entirety of the year.

we had no direction with him at half either.he was non existent at half.
he has always been a passenger at 7.
he either runs with the ball or he passes it 10 yards before the line and continues the side to side movement.
he never draws in defenders and then passes.
contributes nothing in the kicking game either.

moltzen is nowhere close to lui as a half in attack.
in defense,moltzen is better.

the form of benji with lui was also better as he wasn't the lone playmaker in the backline.

That's a tough analysis on Moltzen. He did spend all off-season training with Benji in the halves. And unfortunately was moved within a couple games into the season. We will never know how we could have gone during the season, he may have been much better than previous years. Then he was put at 6 towards the end of the season but didn't perform, but you can't expect someone to perform after being put back into a position they aren't used to.

 

[madunit]

Moltzen's passing game from first receiver is better than Marshall''s. Its no surprise that Moltzen and Marshall have a close friendship and that is evident when they play in the halves together. Moltzen gives Benji good ball and room to move. Thats nearly everything we need from a 7.

Too often Lui was standing around like a Brown cow.

a backline that relies solely on benji is not what we need from a 7.

it would have been better than a backline starved of any quality ball because Benji was at 7 running sideways and threatening the line, palming off a hospital pass to a flat footed centre to get smashed.

The centres and wingers were flat footed so often because Benji just ran parallel to the defensive line, killing any forward momentum and destroying any chance of creating any opportunities.

 

[snowleopard]

Sheens has always had a mind set, that you pick your best 17 players available, not the 17 best for their positions. So when injuries hit you dont replace a 6 with a 6 or a 7 with a 7 rather than you shuffle your team around and promote the 18th best player in the club, now that 18th best player could be a winger or a prop. If he had left Moltzen at 7 or even decided that Humble would be his six or seven fill when required,2012 would have been a little better–but only a little

This is the main reason I think why we underperformed. The fact that we have 2 teams still competing in the finals shows we have the depth but because of sheens 'pick your best 17 philosophy ' fringe players never got a chance. More evidence of this comes with Sheens comments on the Aussie side for the Kiwi test …oh he is a winger but can play fullback...he is a centre can play wing, etc , etc

 

[innsaneink]

Sheens couldnt have been too confident of his own plans eh?

He couldnt get a half for season '12

He hasnt got a half for season '13

He doesnt plan, he reacts

 

[red_dogg]

I believe his biggest mistakes was loosing two frontrowers for a back rower…. same reason NSW will never win a SOO series with the same theory... you cant go forward without front rowers.... back rowers cant cut it.... every single player in the 17 benefits ten fold when your front row is dominating.... leaving it for two blokes to do ludicris....