Sheens' legal move confirms Wests Tigers a club in crisis

weststigers4life

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Just when Wests Tigers fans believed life couldn't sink any lower comes this sobering news - former coach Tim Sheens has this week started suing his former club.
Last month, the Tigers stopped paying Sheens after sacking him late last year with two more seasons to run on his $450,000-a-year contract.
Unwilling and unable to pay him out because of the club's crippling debt, he has been receiving payments each month, but last month it stopped. The July payment has not been received.
Subsequently, the coach commenced legal proceedings at the start of this week.
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Sheens could not be contacted for comment on the matter, and chairman Mike Bailey sounded like he'd just taken a call from the Grim Reaper when asked for a response.
"I'm not in a position to comment on that particular matter at the moment," he said, directing inquiries to chief executive Grant Mayer, who did not return Fairfax Media's calls.
Simply not paying the former coach appears a novel way for the Tigers to escape the comical situation that confronts them with his replacement, Mick Potter, certain to be brutally scalped after just one season.
How absurd: paying three head coaches - Sheens, Potter, and the masochist prepared to come in next - at the one time.
Sheens might be in dispute with his former club, but one thing cannot be challenged. For all the faults facing Parramatta, and the uncertainty surrounding Cronulla, the Wests Tigers are certainly on the podium as the NRL's leading basket case.
There is no escaping it. The Eels still have money to burn and do. The Sharks have rarely walked on solid ground. The Tigers are one of the most popular clubs in history, yet they are drowning in $2 million of debt and juvenile infighting is starting to bury them. Their saving grace is an abundance of emerging stars, but they won't arrive soon enough to save Potter.
He is said to have "lost the dressing room". They said the same thing about Sheens. Maybe they need to start looking at the dressing room instead of the coach.
If Potter is the dead man walking we all keep reading about, his long-time manager Steve Gillis doesn't know. He's heard nothing from Mayer, or any official from the club.
"They're a very frustrating club to deal with, because everything is played out in the papers," Gillis said. "When I walk into that club, I have to wear a raincoat and put up an umbrella, it leaks so much."
Maybe Potter has to go.
As he said early into his tenure, Potter took over "a smart, well coached side" from Sheens. Heading into last night's game against the Eels, which threatened to be as ugly as a Game of Thrones torture scene, they'd won six games.
When asked about sacking coaches midway through their deals, the late Jack Gibson often said: "You're better off getting rid of them now - before they can f–- it up any more than they have."
Yet it would be naive to ignore that Potter had inherited deeper problems; ones that were not of Sheens' doing.
The major issue at the Tigers is a salary cap so scrambled you could make an omelette. Moving players on to accommodate the under-performing Adam Blair has strangled both their first- and second-tier salary caps.
Prop Bryce Gibbs is into his second season at the Sharks, but some of his contract is still paid by the Tigers. Can you see a pattern emerging here?
For all the excrement some throw at Sheens, it is too easily forgotten that he had personally stepped in to ensure rising star Luke Brooks stayed at the Tigers after Andrew Johns did his best to lure him to the Knights.
Of course, the issues at Wests Tigers do not start and end in the coach's office. A fish always rots from the head, and the Tigers board has been as dysfunctional as any since their stormy marriage in 2000.
The Balmain side of the merger once held the power, but now they have no money that has swung in favour of Western Suburbs. So Western Suburbs think.
Bailey (Wests) and deputy chairman Nick di Girolamo (Balmain) met with chief executive of the Australian Rugby League Commission Dave Smith in May, asking for financial assistance. It is understood Smith told them a unified board with independent directors would be required if they expected any handout from the league.
Bailey said on Friday: "We discussed a number of issues with the rugby league at that time, and the rugby league has put forward some of those ideas, which we are in the process of considering." This column put it to Bailey that his board appeared to be in turmoil; torn apart by old factions, power struggles and an undermining of the coach.
Benji Marshall is gone. Stephen Humphreys is gone. Dave Trodden is gone.
"The unfortunate thing about that is that the board is working better than the board at Wests Tigers has in a long time, in terms of trying to march in the right way," he replied. "However, what often happens is that a lot of baggage from the past takes some time to float to the surface. We're getting a lot of flak from the media, as a whole, that has a genesis that goes back to the past."
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give us a big grant, sack the lot of the administration, send us to perth and start again.
problem solved
this is just getting ridiculously embarassing
 
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year
 
And to think people scoffed when i said we were as much of a rabble as Parra. I wasn't informed enough to makes such statements and apparently Parra fans said their club was more of a rabble then us therefore it was true

And now look at us
 
@innsaneink said:
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

**Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year**

Glad im not the only one
 
what a mess , balmain or wests , both sides sould be very sad due to the fact this is 2 clubs that always were the battlelers , turned to s,,t , cant argue with wests or balmain sometimes due to the fact , dickheads are in control ,, what a a junk yard
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@innsaneink said:
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

**Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year**

Glad im not the only one

Yep, I am counting down the days until the Wanderer's season starts… Wests Tigers are just getting me depressed...
 
I haven't expressed this until now, but I'm pretty bloody disappointed in Sheens

fair enough get paid, but can't he do SOMETHING around the club? coach the under 7s? Hand out free T shirts at schools? something?
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honestly I would feel like a low bludger if I was sitting there getting paid a hundred a week, let alone what he's reportedly earning.
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anyway, I am pretty much over RL.

Can't see myself following any other team, can't see the point in continuing to follow the mighty Tiges
 
@Winnipeg said:
I haven't expressed this until now, but I'm pretty bloody disappointed in Sheens

fair enough get paid, but can't he do SOMETHING around the club? coach the under 7s? Hand out free T shirts at schools? something?

I'm sure Sheens would if the Tigers asked him to, they are still his employer. The problem isn't finding things for Tim Sheens to do, the problem is finding close to a million dollars the club still owes him.

None of this would have happened if we'd just bought a halfback in 2007.
 
I thought we went to Dave Smith to try and improve our board structure and become a more independent organisation. Seems we only went to him to get a financial handout to cover all the bad business decisions made by the board. Should they not get financial assistance and should fans and sponsors start to drop off we could be in real trouble. Especially considering how much debt we are already in and the virtual collapse of Balmain Leagues club.
 
yeah i thought we went to the nrl to get our admin sorted, to get another handout is a worry. i still dont think we've reached rock bottom, how much lower can we go?
 
@innsaneink said:
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year

What a over reaction…...

As I have said before on this forum, if following WT does not meet your requirements maybe its time you move on and follow another team that suits your needs.

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_
 
@The Phantom said:
@innsaneink said:
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year

What a over reaction…...

As I have said before on this forum, if following WT does not meet your requirements maybe its time you move on and follow another team that suits your needs.

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_

Why do I have to follow another team?

Do I have to change teams while WTs still exist?

Read my post again.

Im glad all this current mess meets **_your requirements_**, carefull getting down from that high horse
 
I find this quite amusing actually. Those boneheads actually thought Sheens would just go away. I guess when they sack Potter they will assume he wont want his money either.
I'm sure the NRL are watching closely. They'd no doubt love for 2 Sydney clubs to fold.
 
If sheens wants / deserves to be paid then I would have him sitting in the concord oval grandstand 7am - 5pm every day and then pay him, lets see then how willing he is to cut a deal with us!!!. How pathetic that this board allowed this to occur and pay him without him performing any tasks. it is a disgrace.
 
@innsaneink said:
@The Phantom said:
@innsaneink said:
Just end it all

Cancel our licence.

Im over it…easier to watch RL without an emotional attachment, numbly, blankly...much like Ive watched us this year

What a over reaction…...

As I have said before on this forum, if following WT does not meet your requirements maybe its time you move on and follow another team that suits your needs.

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_

Why do I have to follow another team?

Do I have to change teams while WTs still exist?

Read my post again.

Im glad all this current mess meets **_your requirements_**, carefull getting down from that high horse

Hey Ink, you said to cancel our licence and that you're over it.

Why all of a sudden get upset when someone replies to your post?

Methinks that you're not over it at all.

You are just like me and everyone else on here…pissed at our performances. Pissed at the circumstances, pissed at the lack of respect that some of our players have for the jumper, for the club, for their team mates and especially pissed at their attitude towards the fans.

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_
 
He has a contract to be head coach of the club. Nothing else. He deserves his money and knows it. Our idiotic board dont seem to understand what a contract is. Now we gotta pay lawyers to tell us to pay him out.

Lawyers are cheap right?
 
Paul Kent on Saturday: Incompetent Wests Tigers board is at heart of club's problems

ROYCE Simmons was at work Thursday when his wife called and, forever the loving type, she went at him gently.

"I just saw you're big fat head on television," she said. "You look terrible. You've just been sacked."

Simmons was a little embarrassed.

"If I'd known I was going to be sacked I would have worn a better shirt," he said.

It was impossible for him to know his sacking was coming, though, when the Wests Tigers announced Thursday that he and two other of Michael Potter's support staff were sacked as the board ordered an urgent coaching restructure.

It was impossible to know mostly because Simmons told the club eight weeks ago he had taken another job and would be leaving.

So had Steve Georgallis, another coach let go.

The whole announcement was a poorly thought out PR stunt from a board out of its depth and intent on covering its own inadequacies.

They are trying to convince Wests Tigers fans they are on top of it when they couldn't be more under it if they put themselves in front of the 440 to Leichhardt.

Fans are being misled by a board under intense financial pressure which has done such a poor job of running the football club as a business (which is its charter) it has turned its attention to running the football team, which it knows even less about, in a bid to show the public competency.

Numbnuts.

The disrespect to use Georgallis and Simmons as a PR stunt to win public approval highlights a board that needs to be treated very suspiciously by Wests fans.

And now they have Potter in their sights. Unnamed sources, leaked half-truths, they are all contributing to undermine Potter's authority when anybody that has been around the game long enough knows there is nothing surer to undermine a coach and a club than what this board is getting up to.

Fans need to remove them.

Potter's crime is he had the temerity to do what should have been done at the club years ago, and put Benji Marshall in his place.

Earlier this year Tim Sheens said on NRL360 that "players sack coaches".

The game's most experienced coach when sacked last year, Sheens was gone after losing the support of Marshall and other senior players once the likes of Beau Ryan and Chris Heighington left for Cronulla.

The day after his NRL360 comments, Marshall sought out Tigers media manager Wayne Cousins asking if he was putting out a press release denying Sheens' claim. It was one of the few times Marshall was told "no".

Similarly, Potter is under pressure after a fallout with Marshall earlier this year when his form forced Potter to drop him. Rumblings soon began within the club.

Some board members, knowing Marshall's marketing value to the club, began wondering if Potter was up to NRL standard.

They argued he was a rookie coach, never mind that he has been coaching since 1996, or a hell of a lot longer than they were board members.

It set in place a chain of opinion that has failed to stop even though Marshall has now declared he is leaving the club and, more pressing for Potter, now it has become clear he is barely of NRL standard.

There are 15 other NRL coaches who all know Marshall is no longer up to the NRL.

Troubling for Potter, though, he is under pressure to keep selecting Marshall because of the risk of public backlash and a board without the courage to back him.

This Tigers board blows whichever way the wind blows.

What the board hasn't counted on is the turn of public opinion against Marshall.

A Daily Telegraph poll through the week published results yesterday showing 71 per cent of fans believe Potter shouldn't pick Marshall anymore.

The fans know what the board, if it knew anything about football, should have figured out long ago.

Marshall is no longer up to it.

Instead, Potter is under intense pressure to continue selecting Marshall for two big reasons: his 200th game comes in round 25 and a sentimental core that believes Marshall deserves the "fairytale ending" at the club.

How do you run a club like that?

There are some real games left where Potter could blood the likes of future halves Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses. But what are they, except the club's future?

Potter is now on borrowed time. It's clear his NRL career rides on next season.

Just one man's opinion, but I'd tell the board where they could put themselves under the 440, for all I care, and I'd start working on making next year work.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/paul-kent-on-saturday-incompetent-wests-tigers-board-is-at-heart-of-clubs-problems/story-fni3fh9n-1226694405131
 

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