Sheens recruitment record..

[Benjirific]

Which ones were juniors….I left juniors OUT...amybe tagive & Kerr

Danny Galea

No ones saying it dont happen elsewhere.....the apologists cant help themselves

Laurie. He was good and everyone was calling for him to be given a shot just didn't have the work ethic or discipline to make it.

Dud....always was, still is a dud...hasnt kicked on anywhere else

Cayless. Cheap signing that was worth a shot.

Go buy a cheap $2 spanner....it wont be worth it. Dud

Ohara. Hardly Sheen's fault that he kept getting injured.

He didnt have any footwork, some footwork at the line wouldve given him some longevity imo
Theres a reason he played only ONE origin game- dud

Tandy. For years people on this forum screamed for him to be given a go and when he did he didn't impress again hard to blame sheens for that.

LOL....he was only here for one year - dud

Sattler - LOL...did bugger all here

I mentioned the positives earlier.....maybe a dozen over a decade....much like his less the 50% win ration and 30% semis appearance record......Sheens is a dud, was over rated MASSIVELY everywhere- glad he's gone

Firstly regarding O'Hara - yeah, he only played one ORIGIN game. He was a terrible player, only represented his state once, what a joke.

Moving on - I think people underestimate the importance of players like Michael Buettner and Scott Sattler had on our 2005 success. They were never really going to be superstars on the field at the age and period of their career, but they were bought as role models for the likes of Marshall, Fulton, Farah, Gibbs, Halatau etc to help develop after we got rid of the likes of Hill and Hopoate as senior players. They certainly did that, and I think they were probably worth the money in that sense.

On other recruitment, he bought Prince, Hodgson, Payten, Whatuira, Richards, Galloway, Ellis, Tuqiri, all representative standard players who have had success at the club, while some of the names mentioned earlier on the list were hardly on big money (if on top tier contracts at all) and most of whom were promising youngsters looking to get a chance, but never kicked on. I don't think you can blame him for a guy like Lazarus having two knee recos in two years and losing all confidence in himself, or Jeffery never living up to the hype.

I just don't get the vitriolic Sheens hate on here. The bloke gave these fans their first premiership in 50 years and made the side a genuine premiership threat for the first time in 25 years (probably 40 years for some). Get a grip, he's gone, Potter is here and we're starting again.

 

[MelbourneTiger]

How about some context…..we have never had the coin to splash about on players - apart form the original grant received when we merged, and we blew that on hoppa, hill, McCracken etc. when sheens took over the joint was a basket case, players would only come if they were offered 'overs', or we're fringe players. The signings of Ellis, tuquiri and Blair is off the back of sheens convincing management to invest in the business and chase marquee players at the back end of 08.
Players are not stupid. They realise that clubs need marquee players in order to attract other players to the club and that clubs will pay overs to get them.

Does anyone realise that we do not have the same issues attracting players to the club now compared to 5-6 years ago? Who is responsible for that?

 

[Blackandwhite]

Does anyone realise that we do not have the same issues attracting players to the club now compared to 5-6 years ago? Who is responsible for that?

Benji Marshall

 

[Goose]

people like to give it to sheens.

On one hand we have people saying we made the top 4 in 2010 & 2011 in spite of Sheens because we had an amazing squad, than we have the same Sheens haters saying what a terrible recruitment we did over the years.

Sheens has had a focus from within and has ushered through bucket loads of players through the systems.

Some of you guys have Sheens on the grassy knoll.

He was not perfect, but he was far from the pariah many of you make him out to be.

 

[Sabre]

I don't think Mark Flanagan was a dud signing.
He exceeded expectations and played his role well.
Nothing spectacular but a good, handy player.

 

[innsaneink]

I remember more of Chris Paterson than I do of Mark Flanagan

 

[happy_tiger]

I remember more of Chris Paterson than I do of Mark Flanagan

Yeah are they good memories though Ink :laughing:

I can remember Nick Graham really well , but it usually involves me waking up in cold sweats and beating up the pillows

 

[tig_prmz]

people like to give it to sheens.

On one hand we have people saying we made the top 4 in 2010 & 2011 in spite of Sheens because we had an amazing squad, than we have the same Sheens haters saying what a terrible recruitment we did over the years.

Sheens has had a focus from within and has ushered through bucket loads of players through the systems.

Some of you guys have Sheens on the grassy knoll.

He was not perfect, but he was far from the pariah many of you make him out to be.

recruitment of juniors and recruitment of NRL proven players are two very different things. we had a good squad in 2010/11 mainly due to our juniors, plus ellis/tuqiri.

i have had this arguement with you earlier and as far as im concerned, most of the accusations in this thread are valid.

 

[Gordon]

well what a load of garbage sheens was coach not recruitment manager sure he had input but any bad buys are attributed to recruitment manager not sheens and there have been plenty of duds including the recruitment manager himself.

 

[BenjiMagic96]

well what a load of garbage sheens was coach not recruitment manager sure he had input but any bad buys are attributed to recruitment manager not sheens and there have been plenty of duds including the recruitment manager himself.

Umm the recruitment manager does not choose who to buy he manages the salary cap and speaks to the players.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Does anyone realise that we do not have the same issues attracting players to the club now compared to 5-6 years ago? Who is responsible for that?

Benji Marshall

Marshall was recruited by Sheens…

As others have already mentioned, Richards; Hodgo; Galloway; Tuiaki; Ellis; Payten; Prince & Tuqiri were pretty good signings and would make the basis of a pretty good team.

By the time the end of 2013 comes around, we may be adding Blair & Anasta to the list but I doubt the OP had the intention of praising Sheens and his Recruitment Team.

 

[Goose]

people like to give it to sheens.

On one hand we have people saying we made the top 4 in 2010 & 2011 in spite of Sheens because we had an amazing squad, than we have the same Sheens haters saying what a terrible recruitment we did over the years.

Sheens has had a focus from within and has ushered through bucket loads of players through the systems.

Some of you guys have Sheens on the grassy knoll.

He was not perfect, but he was far from the pariah many of you make him out to be.

recruitment of juniors and recruitment of NRL proven players are two very different things. we had a good squad in 2010/11 mainly due to our juniors, plus ellis/tuqiri.

i have had this arguement with you earlier and as far as im concerned, most of the accusations in this thread are valid.

He can only name 17 each week so if has a focus on bringing through from within it doesnt leave many spots, but for the hell of it Ill name some good recruits/
Hodgo
Richards
Whatuira
Prince
Galloway
Payten
Sattler
Tuiaki
B Ryan
M Utai
Lote

without really putting too much thought into i

If he buys from outside and stops the progress of a Chris Lawrence than he is criticised he brings through juniors, he is criticised.
He cant win.

 

[tigersrule4life]

He did get some big names to the club so he did do something now all he needs is a payout haha.

 

[alexaki]

Does anyone realise that we do not have the same issues attracting players to the club now compared to 5-6 years ago? Who is responsible for that?

Benji Marshall

Marshall was recruited by Sheens…

As others have already mentioned, Richards; Hodgo; Galloway; Tuiaki; Ellis; Payten; Prince & Tuqiri were pretty good signings and would make the basis of a pretty good team.

By the time the end of 2013 comes around, we may be adding Blair & Anasta to the list but I doubt the OP had the intention of praising Sheens and his Recruitment Team.

Sheens joined the club in 2003, most of the players mentioned were recruited pre 2005.

 

[sjtiger]

Ellis was a fair purchase

 

[Rambo2714]

The retention and development of Farah and Marshall should also be attributed to Sheens

In the early years of the JV and before sheens appointment we lost a lot of talent to other clubs , a few names of note :

Ryan Hoffman
Luke O'donnell
Brett Hosgson
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I'm sure there is many more quality players we lost ,( feel free to add to my list )

My point is the retention of players is also key
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[LaT]

The retention and development of Farah and Marshall should also be attributed to Sheens

In the early years of the JV and before sheens appointment we lost a lot of talent to other clubs , a few names of note :

Ryan Hoffman
**Luke O'donnell**
Brett Hosgson
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I'm sure there is many more quality players we lost ,( feel free to add to my list )

My point is the retention of players is also key
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Luke O'Donnell was still with us in 2003\. Sort of…

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I wouldn't count Hodgo as a recruit, as much as we just brought him back where he belonged. It was absolute ineptitude on behalf of WT management that they let him go. He was the biggest star out of both the Wests and Balmain teams. Maybe not a star at the time but he definitely had the most potential. History just about proves that as a fact

 

[Joel Helmes]

I wouldn't count Hodgo as a recruit, as much as we just brought him back where he belonged. It was absolute ineptitude on behalf of WT management that they let him go. He was the biggest star out of both the Wests and Balmain teams. Maybe not a star at the time but he definitely had the most potential. History just about proves that as a fact

Absolutely, one of the top five mistakes made by the WT's in our history was letting him go when he still had a lot to offer.

 

[851]

I wouldn't count Hodgo as a recruit, as much as we just brought him back where he belonged. It was absolute ineptitude on behalf of WT management that they let him go. He was the biggest star out of both the Wests and Balmain teams. Maybe not a star at the time but he definitely had the most potential. History just about proves that as a fact

Absolutely, one of the top five mistakes made by the WT's in our history was letting him go when he still had a lot to offer.

He is talking about when we merged,not when Hodgo left for the ESL,when we merged Pearce had his fullback in Joel Caine,if it was a Wests coach first off he would not have left.