Shot on Lote

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

Doublethink. We've charged him over the incident, but not penalising him is a reasonable action by the refs. And up is down.

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I think he is dirty that the refs didn't call the penalty but wouldn't say so because it was a finals game. I am sure Finch thought it should have been a penalty as well or he would have commented. The appointments this week will tell the true story. If none of the 3 get the Grand Final it will be because of the decision not to give the penalty.

Did anyone with sports ears know what the video ref said to the ref about the knees?

 

[Tigerdave]

//"I think that's really unfair on referees where they're in a position to make decisions quickly," McCallum told AAP on Sunday.//

awww diddums…......it wasn't exactly a quick decision..... they were standing around for some time

 

[Guest]

Wests Tigers angry over 'no penalty' call after Jeremy Smith kneed Lote Tuqiri

* Dean Ritchie and Christian Nicolussi
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* September 27, 2010 12:00AM

WESTS Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys last night claimed the match official's failure to award his side a crucial penalty for a blatant knee on winger Lote Tuqiri had "monumental consequences " in Saturday night's grand final qualifier.

Dragon Jeremy Smith was yesterday charged with grade one dangerous contact for his knee to Tuqiri's back but will be free to play in Sunday's grand final against the Roosters with an early guilty plea.

Roosters five-eighth Todd Carney was handed a similar fate, free to play after being charged with only a grade one careless high tackle for his hit on Scott Prince last Friday.

Dragons hooker Dean Young is also free to play after escaping a charge of alleged racial vilification due to a lack of evidence.

Tigers hooker Robbie Farah had alleged on Saturday night Young called him a "f … ing wog" but then declined to make a formal complaint.

The Tigers remain furious at the Smith case, however. Despite being charged, the Dragons forward was not penalised or placed on report by the referees or video referee.

Wests Tigers players and officials remain filthy they did not receive a penalty at a kickable spot in the 73rd minute when the scores were locked at 12-all.

An angry Humphreys told The Daily Telegraph: "It [Smith's charge] obviously confirms the fact that a penalty goal should have been awarded which would have changed the whole flow of the game and more than likely the result.

"It's not sour grapes but unfortunately it's another example of the game's officials being unwilling to deal with incidents at the crucial moments in big games, with monumental consequences for all concerned."

Tigers assistant coach Royce Simmons was also stunned that a penalty was not awarded after the tackle, which left Tuqiri with suspected broken ribs.

"Saints have been the best side all season and they deserve to be in the grand final," said Simmons, who departs for St Helens next month.

"But if you're asking me about Lote, well yes, I thought it was definitely a penalty. I even jumped on the radio to [fellow assistant] Peter Gentle and told him to make sure we took the two points."

Marshall was actually preparing for the penalty goal attempt.

"I was psyching myself up because I'd been practising from there to take a couple of penalties," Marshall said. "There's nothing we can do now."

Tuqiri stood in the shower for half an hour as he tried to deal with the pain.

 

[Chris]

I just hope the Dragons lose on Sunday because of a referee's decision.

 

[Paris_Cobbs]

From the Sydney Morning herald website:

Former Balmain hooker Ben Elias attacked the decision not to penalise Smith, calling it ''the biggest joke of all time''.

''It was disgraceful and there's no doubt it lost them the game,'' he said. ''It was just blatant. If you saw the same tackle 10 times over, he'd be penalised 10 times. Now the season's gone. Fair dinkum, I find that disgusting.''

Good to see Benny firing up on the subject.

 

[Tigerdave]

"It's not sour grapes but unfortunately it's another example of the game's officials being unwilling to deal with incidents at the crucial moments in big games, with monumental consequences for all concerned."

yes and it needs to be dealt with so we don't go through the same crap next year.

 

[tw33k]

We've been on the receiving end of bad calls all through the finals. It cost us the game against the Roosters and now this! I can handle a loss if we deserve to be beaten but being beaten like this is very hard to swallow.

 

[innsaneink]

This season was the first where my enthusiasm for NRL and my team through no fault of their own started to wane…..the constant [This word has been automatically removed] up by the refs just frustrate the hell out of me
Just feel so bloody helpless, angry and ripped off.

 

[Muffstar]

//"I think that's really unfair on referees where they're in a position to make decisions quickly," McCallum told AAP on Sunday.//

awww diddums…......it wasn't exactly a quick decision..... they were standing around for some time

what the….. you are dead set kidding McCallum, they replayed it 10 times, waited minutes for Lote to get up and yet that is making a decision quickly ? If the Spray Tan Kid needs more time than that to make a decision then heaven help us.

 

[LARDS]

I've said this before on this forum a week or so ago.
I don't believe that they can be that incompetent. I think there's more to it.
Whether its intentional or sub-consious they definantly favour one side over the other.
This wasn't our turn.

 

[RatedRKO]

"I think that's really unfair on referees where they're in a position to make decisions quickly," McCallum told AAP on Sunday.

Well guess what, that's their JOB. If you can't do it, find another profession.

 

[Tigerdave]

//"I think that's really unfair on referees where they're in a position to make decisions quickly," McCallum told AAP on Sunday.//

awww diddums…......it wasn't exactly a quick decision..... they were standing around for some time

what the….. you are dead set kidding McCallum, they replayed it 10 times, waited minutes for Lote to get up and yet that is making a decision quickly ? If the Spray Tan Kid needs more time than that to make a decision then heaven help us.

Pretty daft comment from McCallum eh?

I don't mind losing, but stuff like this really gets under my skin and as I said before, right now, there's no reason to think this crap won't happen again next year. I have no faith in the current management of refs nor the NRL quite frankly.

I'm not too sure how the independent commission will go either.

Poor decisions nearly cost us the Raiders game too…..

 

[wicked_j]

we should all contact the NRL and ask for out money back, for both games. We paid to see the better team win, not to see the referees determine the result

 

[Delahunty]

"Sour Grapes" & "Spilt Milk" will be the public sentiment & nothing will change. Well its crap. They saw it 10 times. Lote has broken ribs and was writhing on the ground. Its been penalised post match by the Officiating commitee, confirming the whistle should have been blown. The scrum at the roosters match was almost as bad. But we're expected to put up and shut up.

I for one hope BOTH the dragons and the Roosters LOSE on the weekend. Althought seeing those fat REPTILES choke again might offer some condolence.

 

[innsaneink]

I've said this before on this forum a week or so ago.
I don't believe that they can be that incompetent. I think there's more to it.
Whether its intentional or sub-consious they definantly favour one side over the other.
This wasn't our turn.

It goes against most rational adult arguments, but one cannot help the thought creeping in just a little eh?

 

[John]

Guys , this is my first post. I registered to respond to this post . Specifically about refs decisions. I contacted the NRL after the disgrace of the scrum at the end of the Roosters loss. The reply from the NRL was " to blame the officials for the final result does not fairly reflect how the game panned out . " How can this be . If the rules were adhered to , the Tigers get a penalty and win the game. Robert Finch said the scrum was " consistent with pretty much all scrums in the game " Again, I watch most games every week and I would say the exact opposite to this and say that 99.9% of the time it would have been a penalty or the very least another scrum. The NRL also said that the Tigers player had ample time to fall on the ball. So its alright to get it wrong if the player has time to fall on the ball. I personally felt more anger at being robbed in the Roosters game . Had we won that I think we would be playing St George next week.

 

[jirskyr]

I actually didn't have that much of a problem with the tackle itself. Smith is a grub and he clearly doesn't attempt to withdraw his knees, but at the same time Tuqiri is a foot off the ground and Smith is coming it at full pace. I don't exactly know what the bloke is supposed to do, you can't help but raise your knees when you are running. It's not as clear cut as a swinging arm.

In these situations I always ask myself how I would feel if the sides were reversed - whether I'd be happy if St George were awarded a penalty if a Tigers player did the same. The answer is "no". So I couldn't fairly claim the same thing off the other side.

Frankly we got off on similar incidents in previous weeks. Dwyer could very easily have been penalised for his his on JWH (not that I believe he should have been, but I have seen softer head contact been penalised). Geezer and Dwyer also got light citings for their other sloppy efforts in the finals.

My biggest problem is the inconsistency of such decisions. It shouldn't matter whether it is regular season or finals; 70th minute or 10th. But it clearly does. Refs statisically put their whistles away in second halves of finals. They are afraid to call penalties when matches are tight.

So Bryce Gibbs' knees to the ar$e of Burt last year was apparently worth 3 weeks, but Smith's was worth 75 points on early guilty. THAT is the inconsistency that frustrates fans so "consistently".

 

[851]

I will say this,If Gibbs does this to Morris,it is a penalty,end of story. :imp:

 

[innsaneink]

I actually didn't have that much of a problem with the tackle itself. Smith is a grub and he clearly doesn't attempt to withdraw his knees, but at the same time Tuqiri is a foot off the ground and Smith is coming it at full pace. I don't exactly know what the bloke is supposed to do, you can't help but raise your knees when you are running. It's not as clear cut as a swinging arm.

In these situations I always ask myself how I would feel if the sides were reversed - whether I'd be happy if St George were awarded a penalty if a Tigers player did the same. The answer is "no". So I couldn't fairly claim the same thing off the other side.

Frankly we got off on similar incidents in previous weeks. Dwyer could very easily have been penalised for his his on JWH (not that I believe he should have been, but I have seen softer head contact been penalised). Geezer and Dwyer also got light sightings for their other sloppy efforts in the finals.

My biggest problem is the inconsistency of such decisions. It shouldn't matter whether it is regular season or finals; 70th minute or 10th. But it clearly does. Refs statisically put their whistles away in second halves of finals. They are afraid to call penalties when matches are tight.

So Bryce Gibbs' knees to the ar$e of Burt last year was apparently worth 3 weeks, but Smith's was worth 75 points on early guilty. THAT is the inconsistency that frustrates fans so "consistently".

Yeah good post

 

[prattenpark]

I'm sure the match review committee only made their decision to rile the Tigers up even more. It's a bit hard to defend the ludicrous outcome of no penalty on the night but a charge laid afterwards. If they are trying to argue that the refs made the correct decision on the night, then why bother charging him afterwards. I'm sure the MRC is sitting their somewhere having a great chuckle at the whole thing as we mouth off and the rugby league world tags us the whingers.

Even if we got a penalty, there is no guarentee we would have kicked the goal, and no guarantee if we did saints wouldn't have scored sometime after. what's done is done.

2010 is over and done with. Forget it. Let's look to next year and praise their efforts this year.