Should we go with a new narrative?

[ElleryHanley]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

 

[jrtiger]

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano’ the building blocks type promo from the club?

yeah I think so. if you look at our signings there's been major focus on elite youth in all three grades. youth means patience. until they get 50 or so games under their belt they're not going to be marquee players. that's at least 2 years away. we've got money in the cap but we need patience. I didn't think a TPJ or a Finucane was singlehandedly going to turn the side around anyway.

this year has a 2003 feel about it. cut the deadwood, blood the youth and give them a couple of years to hit their straps. who cares if we've got money in the cap. if the right player isn't out there, don't spend it for the sake of it. the way Hartigan goes about his business effectively outlines that's going to be the case while he's in the building.

 

[Madge]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

You are correct. Look I know everyone is fed up with how we have gone for the last decade and I am not for accepting mediocrity but I think putting things into perspective helps. Truth of the matter, It is not a quick fix. It was always going to take a while to get out of this mess except past management have not set a plan to get WT out of this hole.

Reality is, it is going to take a couple of years and accepting that helps. You don't want to ruin the progression of these young players by throwing them in the deep end without the correct people around them. That is the situation we are in. Getting the right people around them is the dilemma for reasons; not a desirable destination and thus have to pay overs. We're back at square one just like that. Adam Hartigan looks to be an astute acquisition and is slowly unravelling the mistakes of the past.

 

[happy_tiger]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

 

[Sco77y]

All for that approach, so long as it's actually adhered to, and the correct decisions are made along the way. We've been there before, and simply setting/stating a long term plan isn't enough. It actually needs to be practised.

With a good structure and plan in place, that can be consistently followed, we have a chance. Otherwise we just end up like all those other times we said the same thing, proclaiming the greatness that was to come (see "the big four").

 

[Rugba]

The only problem is that this exact approach was used by the knights and they are still steeped in mediocrity even tho they had roster Renaul and have done marque signings

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

 

[ElleryHanley]

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano’ the building blocks type promo from the club?


yeah I think so. if you look at our signings there's been major focus on elite youth in all three grades. youth means patience. until they get 50 or so games under their belt they're not going to be marquee players. that's at least 2 years away. we've got money in the cap but we need patience. I didn't think a TPJ or a Finucane was singlehandedly going to turn the side around anyway.

this year has a 2003 feel about it. cut the deadwood, blood the youth and give them a couple of years to hit their straps. who cares if we've got money in the cap. if the right player isn't out there, don't spend it for the sake of it. the way Hartigan goes about his business effectively outlines that's going to be the case while he's in the building.

I agree about 2003. It is one of my frustrations with Madge as coach, as I feel like this year and next are absolutely massive for developing the young players...and I am yet to see him really do that. Like him or loathe him, Sheens really developed that group of kids back then.

Agree also re keeping cap room...we need to spend some, so I would not be against bringing in players on huge overs as long as they are short term deals. 1-2 years.

 

[ElleryHanley]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

 

[ElleryHanley]

The only problem is that this exact approach was used by the knights and they are still steeped in mediocrity even tho they had roster Renaul and have done marque signings

To be fair to them, they have had a terrible run with injuries.

You can't factor injuries to someone like Ponga in. If he was available to us tomorrow for a million, we'd sign him also.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...

 

[BAGNF05]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...

The Tigers are worrying too much about socials and PR and community mindedness, just put all your focus into playing rugby league well. The brand will sort itself out.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

 

[Tiger5150]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

Agreed.......no narrative.

 

[Tiger5150]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / ***2021 is the year we break the drought"*** stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Can you point me to anywhere that anyone said that 2021 is the year to break the drought? I have not heard anyone say that, in fact I distinctly remember Madge saying it will be a rebuilding year and 2022 is the year we should start to see results.

No point worrying about a narrative if it is a figment of imagination.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

 

[Tcat]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree that Madge isnt doing well atm, however our roster sucks and is pretty bad tbh. Look at most other line ups and there wouldn't be too many worse than us. However, if started playing better than all of a sudden our squad isn't as bad. I'm a fan of Madge up until recently so I guess we just have to wait and see.

 

[happy_tiger]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...

Or they could shut their damn traps until they achieve something meaningful ...as a team

 

[happy_tiger]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

Avo we were a bottom 4 side in my opinion ....the Manly trial told us too many untruths ...even sucked me in for a while

 

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.