Should we go with a new narrative?

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

Quite a few of the players have been purchased or re-signed by him.

The separate issue is whether there is confidence in him signing the 'right players'. I don't have that confidence.

 

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

Quite a few of the players have been purchased or re-signed by him.

The separate issue is whether there is confidence in him signing the 'right players'. I don't have that confidence.

I don't think there is any guarantee about players performance when they sign, the trouble is, you can't do much until there contract is up.

But you and me are not players, there has been plenty of players who state that Madge is a good coach. In fact, I can't think of any player who has said he can't coach? But I am sure you could dig any up?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

Quite a few of the players have been purchased or re-signed by him.

The separate issue is whether there is confidence in him signing the 'right players'. I don't have that confidence.

I don't think there is any guarantee about players performance when they sign, the trouble is, you can't do much until there contract is up.

But you and me are not players, there has been plenty of players who state that Madge is a good coach. In fact, I can't think of any player who has said he can't coach? But I am sure you could dig any up?

Results determine the tenure of a coach not my digging up info about if he can coach.

Have you read the roar article of 4 March 2017 about Inglis hurting his good knee and remaining onfield? It's quite distressing and I'm glad WTs' players demonstrated compassion towards him on-field. Read the comments section. I was shocked and won't repeat those comments on this forum. Did Souths' players have a different nickname for Maguire then?

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. He is unable to get anyone playing well. The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

 

[Papacito]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

I believe our roster is better than where we are placed. Yes, I believe it is the coach.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

it's the coaching.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

Avo we were a bottom 4 side in my opinion ....the Manly trial told us too many untruths ...even sucked me in for a while

I think we are better than what we are showing. I think we have some good players in our team that are playing poorly. Good coaching would make us a far better side imo.

 

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

 

[Papacito]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

I believe our roster is better than where we are placed. Yes, I believe it is the coach.

I admire your faith.

For mine, 15 rounds and a handful of 40+ points floggings says you have a dud squad.

Especially when you have a multiple premiership winner holding the clipboard.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

I believe our roster is better than where we are placed. Yes, I believe it is the coach.

I admire your faith.

For mine, 15 rounds and a handful of 40+ points floggings says you have a dud squad.

Especially when you have a multiple premiership winner holding the clipboard.

Maguire has had significant input into the composition of the squad. The shortcomings of the squad are on him.
He has failed to get the best from it (and that does not mean wins but improvement in our performances). This has not happened and I believe we have gone backwards under him.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

 

[4jtigers]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

 

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Oh god this old chestnut again. I don't care what he did 7 years ago. He can't coach.

 

[4jtigers]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Oh god this old chestnut again. I don't care what he did 7 years ago. He can't coach.

the coach who won a premiership can't coach?! oh my!!! what a contradiction!!! woohhhoooo!!!

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Oh god this old chestnut again. I don't care what he did 7 years ago. He can't coach.

the coach who won a premiership can't coach?! oh my!!! what a contradiction!!! woohhhoooo!!!

And that's why we will continue to fail year after year. Because people look at his past results and think he'll get that here. All he's done in 3 years is get worse. Absolutely hopeless.

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

The ladder over the past 5 seasons seems to disagree with you. But keep cheering him on until we finally reach rock bottom and fire him. Then maybe you'll realise.