Citizen_Tiger
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@joe's magpies said:
Surprised it took so long for the first cage fighter to comment.
Shoulder Charge - GONE!!
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Surprised it took so long for the first cage fighter to comment.
Citizen_Tiger
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For those with selective memories
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/vital-error-in-teen-kundai-chiundizas-rugby-death/story-e6freuzi-1226135278040
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/vital-error-in-teen-kundai-chiundizas-rugby-death/story-e6freuzi-1226135278040
@Citizen Tiger said:
1\. He was playing union, where shoulder charges are already illegal.
2\. Even in league, juniors are not permitted to shoulder charge for safety reasons, they lack control/skill and their bodies are still developing.
So really not sure what that sad article is doing in this thread.
WestsSupporter
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I think Josh Miller is the biggest loser in all of this…he could have kept playing!
@Anthism said:
over reactions? haha ok mate.
so u wont mind if they chuck tags around their waist and it turns into oz tag - cause some doctor said so.
it isnt the end of the world, but its contributing to the end of rugby league as we know it
it opens the door for more 'intepretation', less consistency
it compounds to the crapness of referees (video refs included)
it compounds to the crapness of the wrestle
the game is deteriorating
brain damage, yeh, how many ex top level rugby league players are walking around because of a knock they copped to the head as a result of a shoulder charge?
its part of the game, like punching is to boxing, like choker holds and elbows to the face are to UFC. its not as brutal like those mentioned, but it adds to the theatre of the game. players know this when they play.
they dont get to NRL and all of a sudden shoulder chargers appear, like they havent been there for years and years before.
if ban shoulder charge, ban selling beer at the game to, cause it can cause adverse health affects, same with meat pies, soft drinks, hot chips etc etc. where does it stop? OZ tag here we come.
Tigersmurf
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I think we should outlaw Footy boots with studs - those things can be dangerous!
@mtd said:
Perfect example of an over reaction. It's one change to the game. You may use the oz tag example if they ever got rid of tackling.
Yeah but how many top level rugby players do you call intellectual right now?
How is it an interpretation issue? It's not that hard to differentiate between using your arms in addition to a shoulder in a tackle. - they call it on late hits on kickers.
You're doing it wrong if its as integral to the game as punching is to boxing.
It may contribute to the spectacle of the sport but other than that it is just sprinkles on the cake.
There are plenty of studies online about the side effects of concussions on the Internet and I'd encourage you to look at it before dismissing it and comparing it to alcohol or smoking etc.
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@Anthism said:
why do rugby league players have to be intellectual? its a working class game.
how is interpretation not an issue? if a shoulder initiates the contact (as a good tackle should) and the arm swings aroind late, or the player only uses one arm - different refs are going to rule different… just another issue we dont need with all the other crap... hey use a charge down as example, where the player jumps, turns his body to the side, and the kicker decides hey i can milk a penalty here, so contact is made from the charge downers shoulder with the kicker... thats a penalty by the letter of the law, no matter how little contact is made... trust me there will be interpretation issues.
i have no doubt concussion isnt good for you, but how many shoulder chargers result in concussion? there are alot of other big hits in the game that cause concussion - so as i said, do we take it a step further and give them oz tags? there are health risks playing rugby league, its the nature of the game. like hurting ur ankles or knees is in netball, like being punched in the face is in boxing..
sprinkles can make all the difference... start removing them all and before you know it you have a plain and boring cake with no taste at all.
Marshall_magic
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I can't say I will miss it but it is a bad call as giving in to the wowsers is going to set a dangerous precedent.
happy_tiger
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@Tiger Watto said:
Suppose that was always going to happen when you supports Brisbane Easts Watto
The biggest issue with this will be mistimed big hits ,when a player steps left or right and the defensive player doesn't have time to react and can't get his arms up in time
Give it 5-6 rounds and clubs will be finding ways of rorting this , you watch
@mtd said:
I had a reply all written out on my phone but it's having problems and wont send so here's a condensed version (hopefully I got all of it).
-Players weigh more these days - bigger collisions - more chances of injury now with shoulder charge - as outlined in article.
- Yes players experience injuries/pain/body durability issues but its not just a physical thing its more about cognitive function. It all changes once the brain becomes at risk.
- Tradition is good I agree but change is required in these circumstances.
- Shoulder charges account for 0.05% of tackles - so the other 99.95% of tackles make the game soft?
- The ban makes players more careful - Rowdy's hit on Pearce in 1st Roosters game 2012 - same effect as shoulder charge but didn't put him at risk - still perfectly possible for big hits to occur and less risk of players missing the tackle completely or putting other players at risk.
Benji/Barba/Slater/GI etc "put bums on seats" as they say. Kids aspire to be like them. I'd expect those players to be far more exciting to the game than a good hit you might see once or twice a round. It's quite obsolete.
Their goal is to make RL into a sport for everyone not just the "working class". When I say intellectual I mean of average intelligence, not necessarily a Doctor/Lawyer level. Some of these RL "legends" would be put to shame by most people in Year 10 and they're supposed to be ambassadors of the game.
I'm expecting the commission to have a meeting with the referees (I think an article said in the next week) to clarify their position on leading with shoulder before wrapping the arms around.
People need to question why they really watch this game. If you're hanging around for one good hit every 2 or 3 games you're better off watching another sport with more straight forward objectives involving violence.
Considering the few times a shoulder charge is successful and how many times it leads to head knocks/concussions etc it's a simple way to reduce the chances of problems without destroying the essence of the game.
I enjoy a well executed shoulder charge, but I suppose like any workplace, the NRL have try an mitigate the risk of serious injuries to the head. With a few of them going wrong last year, they probably feel they have a case to eliminate them.
I still think that severe suspensions are a good deterrent for poorly executed shoulder charges.
I still think that severe suspensions are a good deterrent for poorly executed shoulder charges.
mike
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Very poor decision. It is not the shoulder charge itself that is the problem it is where the contact is. Anything attacking the head should be dealt with in no uncertain terms and that means if it was instigated by a shoulder charge, swinging arm or whatever. Banning a particular tackling style is a poor way to address this issue.
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Tiger_Watto
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@happy tiger said:
Pritchards Suspension for that pissy winger trying to knock him over is another perfect example… Simmons (I think it was) ran into him and as a result, Simmons head made contact with Franks shoulder?!
Coaches will instruct their players to run into the big men looking for contact with the shoulder now!
Citizen_Tiger
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@mtd said:
Think you missed the point by some significant distance
Citizen_Tiger
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@LaT said:
1\. He was playing union, where shoulder charges are already illegal.
What has that to do with anything? He was hit by a late shoulder charge, his duodenum was torn
2\. Even in league, juniors are not permitted to shoulder charge for safety reasons, they lack control/skill and their bodies are still developing.
What are you? A cardio thoracic expert? Ever witnessed a shoulder charge that caused a spleen to rupture or a larynx crushed? I have. It's a cheap shot, practiced by those with next to no technique and it has the capacity to cause serious damage. The only thing it's good for is to give some punters a little 'oooooh' moment
@mtd said:
That's where you're wrong.
Shoulder charges are a pretty recent addition to the game.
When I started playing NOBODY attempted a shoulder charge.
If you did , and missed the tackle , your coach would have kicked you up the backside.
It's also got zero to do with toughness but plenty to do with laziness.
Think back to all the REAL hard men like Roach , Lazarus , Kelly (Peter or Noel) , Donnelly , Sattler etc and tell me how many got their reputation from shoulder charging a (usually) unsuspecting opponent.
