Shoulder Charge - GONE!!

All the Medical evidence is clear and i think the ban is supported by most NRL fans with an IQ over 70.The only surprise to me is why it took so long,must rate with the SofO series starting in 1980 instead of 1960 as an example of poor administration.
 
Knee jerk reaction IMO. Should keep the shoulder charge with heavy penalties for high shots. What makes my blood boil (still) is cheap shots like Myles on Farah in SO. & to all the QLD supports: if it was a Blue you would be screaming just as much.
 
SMH 21/11/12 Brad Walter

ANGRY NRL stars have hit out at a proposed worldwide ban on shoulder charges, with Wests Tigers captain Robbie Farah calling for a review of the decision.

After outlawing the controversial tackling technique at an ARLC meeting on Tuesday, officials revealed they had already been in contact with their counterparts in England and other countries in an attempt to have the shoulder charge banned from all levels of the game next year.

But players and fans launched an immediate campaign against the ruling, with NRL stars taking to Twitter to condemn the decision.
''They will ban tackling next,'' Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne tweeted.
Many players complained that an element of the game that made league unique would now be lost.

''There's nothing better than seeing someone get smashed by a shoulder charge. What a joke,'' Tigers prop Aaron Woods tweeted.

New Roosters five-eighth James Maloney described the ban as the ''worst decision ever made'', while teammate Frank-Paul Nuuausala tweeted: ''Might as well play uppercut yourself. Gonna play soccer now.''

NSW and Cronulla captain Paul Gallen said he was in ''shock'' and noted that most of the highlights reel shown at this year's grand final breakfast featured shoulder charges.

''We don't want players getting hurt, but it's taking some of the toughness out of the game,'' Gallen told Triple M. ''When you have a look at the highlight reels they're all big hits, the fans love shoulder charges.''

Farah told the radio station he wanted the decision overturned. ''It's a bit surprising. I think it should still be a part of our game,'' he said. ''When executed correctly, they're a crowd pleaser; they love it. Your own teammates get a lift.

''I'd like to see it reviewed somewhere down the track and maybe bring it back in some time.''

However, Sydney Roosters doctor John Orchard applauded the ARLC for the ruling.

''Given the concussions this year, it was good management to act to make game safer,'' he said on Twitter. ''If the NRL players wanted to keep the shoulder charge, they needed to ALL stop hitting others in the head. 2012 - too many of them went high.''

A review overseen by Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan found there had been 71 shoulder charges last season - of which 12 had resulted in the player making contact with the ball carrier's head.

Coincidentally, the Roosters have signed Sonny Bill Williams, considered the best exponent of the tactic before his departure to rugby union in 2008, and he recently told Fairfax Media the shoulder charge wasn't a problem if executed correctly.

Warriors fullback Omar Slaimankhel tweeted: ''The hitman @SonnyBWilliams is back in the NRL and they have already banned the shoulder charge. Not cool.''

Canavan's report said shoulder charges made up 0.05 per cent of the 142,355 tackles this year and less than 4 per cent of those resulted in injury to the attacking player, but with the average player now four kilograms heavier and 12 millimetres taller than a decade ago the injury risk was high.

The report also found the average G-force of the shoulder charge (measured from accelerometer data taken from GPS tracking) was 76 per cent greater than a conventional head-on tackle (10.682 compared with 6.056).

''We believe this is the time to eliminate a potential risk,'' NRL interim chief Shane Mattiske said.

SHOULDER ARMS …

‘‘Worst decision ever made ... BANNING THE SHOULDER CHARGE ... if u don’t like the contact sport we play ... maybe MARBLES would be more up Ur alley.’’ James Maloney (Roosters)

‘‘If the shoulder charge is taken out of the game. We should just play soccer this is a joke. Don’t like it don’t play the sport.’’ Josh McGuire (Broncos)

‘‘Almost 100% sure that 100% of the players were happy with how the rules were! #whatsdoing???’’ Wade Graham (Sharks)

‘‘What d hell,just heard d news about the shoulder charge band.R u serious?Thats wat makes out game more entertaining.’’ #SAVETHESHOULDERCHARGE Krisnan Inu (Bulldogs)

‘‘No tackling will be next.’’ Jarryd Hayne (Eels)

‘‘There was no better feeling getting shoulder charged first run of the game! Sad day for rugby league!’’ Bryce Gibbs (Sharks)

‘‘Is it just me or does it seem like we are doing everything we can to wreck the #greatestgameofall.’’ Luke Patten (retired)

‘‘Can we also play with a spherical ball?’’ Sam Burgess (Rabbitohs)

‘‘They should ban the ball from rugby league! And play with a fluffy Teddy bear! #whatsdoing.’’ Josh Cordoba (Broncos)

‘‘In the famous words of Tana Umaga, this is Rugby (League) not tiddily winks.’’ Adam Henry (Roosters)

‘‘Not fussed by its extinction but an SBW game now might be like going to a PSY concert with no Gangnum!’’ Joel Caine (retired)
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Poll: Do you think the NRL are right to ban the shoulder charge.
Yes, players are getting hurt
39%
No, it's supposed to be a physical game
61%

Total votes: 2456.
Poll closes in 20 hours.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/players-up-in-arms-as-arlc-outlaws-the-shoulder-charge-20121120-29o5r.html#ixzz2CoPYkFk0
 
Nowhere does it say you still can't stand your ground and take someone front on, the big collision is still there - or are they maybe scared of hurting themselves?
About time some of these guys learnt the art of how to hurt people in legitimate tackles rather than showboating.
 
@Citizen Tiger said:
@LaT said:
@Citizen Tiger said:
For those with selective memories

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/vital-error-in-teen-kundai-chiundizas-rugby-death/story-e6freuzi-1226135278040

1\. He was playing union, where shoulder charges are already illegal.

What has that to do with anything? He was hit by a late shoulder charge, his duodenum was torn

2\. Even in league, juniors are not permitted to shoulder charge for safety reasons, they lack control/skill and their bodies are still developing.

**What are you? A cardio thoracic expert?** Ever witnessed a shoulder charge that caused a spleen to rupture or a larynx crushed? I have. It's a cheap shot, practiced by those with next to no technique and it has the capacity to cause serious damage. The only thing it's good for is to give some punters a little 'oooooh' moment
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Did I ever say I was?

Fact is you posted an article to a union game where the shoulder charge is already illegal, and it was U16s where again even in league, the shoulder charge is illegal for that very reason, juniors performing them was a recipe for disaster.

A shoulder charge on a 16 year old junior playing rugby union has no bearing on a discussion about adults playing rugby league in the NRL. Just accept that and move on.
 
Sad. Contact with the head is illegal anyway. I'm in the boat that if you attempt it and get it wrong you cop a severe suspension. I hope they aren't finical about it because there are a lot of tackles that could be deemed shoulder charges. Grey area!

If this is the stance I hope they only penalize the blatantly obvious.
 
A ridiculous decision IMO. What next..are they gonna ban kicking the ball during play as well?, because players get head knocks from "Falcons" too and come off worse for wear. A couple of the shoulder charges that went wrong this season were from noted serial offenders such as Pritchard and Te'o, if the judiciary had come down a lot harder on these sort of blokes it wouldn't have got to this point.
Getting wrestling out of the game is a more important issue, it is ruining the sport. Not as politically correct though I suppose, which is what the whole world revolves around these days.

If it gets to the stage where AFL is considered a tougher sport than League supporters will stay away in droves, it will be an insult.

Nearly all of the players in the NRL want it to be part of the game, they are the ones playing it so surely their opinion should carry the most weight.
 
Aye all depends on how much arm is enough - afaik from union you can hit with the shoulder so long as you try to wrap your arm around when doing so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3y_-fr3IQ&feature=related
That hit would probably be allowed but the Inglis on Young one wouldn't.

Biggest problem with the ruling is gonna be consisteny of decision in the implementation.

Most making a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
Should charge is lazy and lower skilled. Players can still hit hard but now they have to go on with it rather than let a teammate like Hindmarsh flop of the guy you just shoulder charged.
 
A proper shoulder charge is not low skilled. Think about the players who consistantly do them over their career, not many scrub players are there? If it was low skilled every 6.5ft lump of a lad would be doing it half a dozen times a game.
 
@LaT said:
A proper shoulder charge is not low skilled. Think about the players who consistantly do them over their career, not many scrub players are there? If it was low skilled every 6.5ft lump of a lad would be doing it half a dozen times a game.
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Actually if you look at some of the best hitters in defence over the last 25-30 years , most are pretty low to the ground

Gillmeister ,Gillespie,Dallas Johnson ,Lewis ,Owen Cunningham

Putting a good hit or shoulder is all about timing and having good body position and having great weight transferance
 
You don't see shoulder charges all the time because of two things, firstly it is not as effective as grappling tackles that slow down the ball (higher error rate), and secondly the ball carrier will generally attempt to avoid the hit (ball movement, footwork)

Tuck arm in, adjust position, lower body, push up whilst making contact with the shoulder. Well there are a lot of processes, similar to using the arms in such a tackle. They key differences are:
1) that use of arms in a tackle has a higher risk of injuring the tackler (in using the arms the head will be more likely to hit the ball carrier, you run the risk of injuring any part of your arm - compared to only a shoulder/collar bone)
2) You don't just need to make contact, you need to put your arms in a position to effect the tackle (or to give the ref the impression).

So yes, less skill.
 
Simon Dwyer had one of the best tackling techniques I had seen in a long time. His timing and explosion out of a squatting position was lethal. They weren't all shoulder charges and would probably hurt a hell of a lot more.
 
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Simon Dwyer had one of the best tackling techniques I had seen in a long time. His timing and explosion out of a squatting position was lethal. They weren't all shoulder charges and would probably hurt a hell of a lot more.
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i probs havent seen as much footy as u but i agree with u

curtis sirronen reminds me of dwyer a little
 
@Demonborger said:
You don't see shoulder charges all the time because of two things, firstly it is not as effective as grappling tackles that slow down the ball (higher error rate), and secondly the ball carrier will generally attempt to avoid the hit (ball movement, footwork)

Tuck arm in, adjust position, lower body, push up whilst making contact with the shoulder. Well there are a lot of processes, similar to using the arms in such a tackle. They key differences are:
1) that use of arms in a tackle has a higher risk of injuring the tackler (in using the arms the head will be more likely to hit the ball carrier, you run the risk of injuring any part of your arm - compared to only a shoulder/collar bone)
2) You don't just need to make contact, you need to put your arms in a position to effect the tackle (or to give the ref the impression).

So yes, less skill.
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You are kidding aren't you , less skill . The only way you can usually pull off a good solid shoulder charge is one of 2 ways
1/ You blindside the bloke and he just doesn't see you coming or 2/ the bloke you are trying to shoulder charge takes up the challenge

If I ever saw someone coming out of the line try to put a big hit on (or especially a shoulder charge ) is to use a bit of footwork

Once you set to put a shoulder charge on you are extremely limited in what you can do and foot work will do you every time

You see this all the time , blokes trying to put a big hit on and they just disappear from the picture as they totally miss the player and are made to look like a fool
 
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