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weststigerman said:
Meanwhile in Brisbane players are vomiting in between sessions.

Look, it's impossible to judge what they're doing from a few photos, but I do hope when they have the bulk of the squad together that they focus on strength and conditioning. I don't want to see Galvin smashing everyone in every fitness drill.
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Hopefully next week they start getting hammered. This week would prob just be to get the younger guys togeather.
 
weststigerman said:
Meanwhile in Brisbane players are vomiting in between sessions.

Look, it's impossible to judge what they're doing from a few photos, but I do hope when they have the bulk of the squad together that they focus on strength and conditioning. I don't want to see Galvin smashing everyone in every fitness drill.
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Man you can’t maintain the rage for 6 months . To train that hard , that early , is not proven to work . It burns people out .
If anyone has ever done the training for the barrier test / carter course , it builds up over a 16 week training program , so you’re peaking just before the carter course / sas selection begins (the nrl season) .
I get what Madge is doing , but he will need to back off in a few weeks , or he will lose the dressing room , real quick.
Each to their own , but just from my own personal experience , I watched guys go hell for leather doing the pre selection training , and by week 12 they were done . Either injured , or mentally burnt out . It builds for a reason .
Our issue at the tigers is I don’t think we started from a strong base , so I think we did build but not to a good enough standard . We need to lift standards . I’m not convinced that’s achieved by burning everyone out in week 1 .
 
wonka said:
Wasn't Madge here for years our team was still weak and unfit.
Maybe it's the calibre of player we sign.
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This is exactly the reason. Because a lot of our squad is below average in physical metrics (height, weight, speed, endurance, explosive power, etc) even when fully fit we find it difficult to compete against most teams.

It may well be combined with not training well enough (e.g. Blore saying it’s tougher at the Storm) but a big part of our lack of competitiveness is the (inferior) quality of athlete we sign or bring through more often than not.
 
Look it all boils down to a few points
1) we need may and Kobe , without reinforcements in the forwards , not even Bennett could get us out of trouble
2) if I was coach I would employ the best fitness coach I could find . Also employ the best defensive coach , no room for friends or ex players
3 ) with our good backline my main focus would be setting up plays once inside there 30 metre , also work on plays from the scrum , this is a area that u can score points from
4) but again it all comes down to what sire of a forward pack we put out
 
Lestronge said:
Man you can’t maintain the rage for 6 months . To train that hard , that early , is not proven to work . It burns people out .
If anyone has ever done the training for the barrier test / carter course , it builds up over a 16 week training program , so you’re peaking just before the carter course / sas selection begins (the nrl season) .
I get what Madge is doing , but he will need to back off in a few weeks , or he will lose the dressing room , real quick.
Each to their own , but just from my own personal experience , I watched guys go hell for leather doing the pre selection training , and by week 12 they were done . Either injured , or mentally burnt out . It builds for a reason .
Our issue at the tigers is I don’t think we started from a strong base , so I think we did build but not to a good enough standard . We need to lift standards . I’m not convinced that’s achieved by t burning everyone out in week 1 .
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isn’t that essentially what they do, bring them young guys in hit fitness hard 7 weeks with the rookies to bring fitness base up, then break for Xmas.

in the new year everyone comes back trains for fitness for 12 weeks, until the season starts then training Is more about skills, analysis and recovery. With Fitness and Strength is now “maintained“ not getting built? (Unless injured)
 
Wiz said:
This is exactly the reason. Because a lot of our squad is below average in physical metrics (height, weight, speed, endurance, explosive power, etc) even when fully fit we find it difficult to compete against most teams.

It may well be combined with not training well enough (e.g. Blore saying it’s tougher at the Storm) but a big part of our lack of competitiveness is the (inferior) quality of athlete we sign or bring through more often than not.
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Madge the myth, train them till they spew and still produce poo results. He is only good with superstars.
 
Lestronge said:
Man you can’t maintain the rage for 6 months . To train that hard , that early , is not proven to work . It burns people out .
If anyone has ever done the training for the barrier test / carter course , it builds up over a 16 week training program , so you’re peaking just before the carter course / sas selection begins (the nrl season) .
I get what Madge is doing , but he will need to back off in a few weeks , or he will lose the dressing room , real quick.
Each to their own , but just from my own personal experience , I watched guys go hell for leather doing the pre selection training , and by week 12 they were done . Either injured , or mentally burnt out . It builds for a reason .
Our issue at the tigers is I don’t think we started from a strong base , so I think we did build but not to a good enough standard . We need to lift standards . I’m not convinced that’s achieved by burning everyone out in week 1 .
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Yeah it's not 100% for 6 months straight, but you only have to look at what happened with Blore/Olam to know our training intensity is not up to scratch.

Olam started well with us but gradually got worse, Blore started in reserves and eventually started with Melbourne every week. Obviously he wasn't training hard enough when he was here, and he said as much about Melbourne's training intensity.

We have had the worst roster for a while, but I think we blame the roster too much for our lack of work ethic and preparation.
 
Bob said:
Fatty, Wayne Bennett at Origin level. Whoever was coaching the “baby broncos” that absolutely smashed us that year…
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Fatty and Bennett always had superstars for QLD. Both teams were understrength in a crazy period when Fatty had his 3-0 win.

A one-off win against WT hardly counts as winning.

Players win , coaches just make sure they’re rowing in the one direction.
 
weststigerman said:
Meanwhile in Brisbane players are vomiting in between sessions.

Look, it's impossible to judge what they're doing from a few photos, but I do hope when they have the bulk of the squad together that they focus on strength and conditioning. I don't want to see Galvin smashing everyone in every fitness drill.
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Supposedly Bronco players were given a spew bucket before training started ...
 
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Bob said:
Fatty, Wayne Bennett at Origin level. Whoever was coaching the “baby broncos” that absolutely smashed us that year…
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Bennett has been a great coach, with the ability to adapt his coaching to the audience he has in the squad and so remain relevant. Also, adapting your training to fit your audience is also important. Your presentation imo needs to be engaging, effective and relevant to the outcome. Some have suggested armed forces style training and while that may be effective for a very short period, it is tailored to a different audience and outcome.
 
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