Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Elderslie_Tiger]

@cochise
I'm sure some learnerd professional could come up with something how do fantasy leagues do it.

 

[cochise]

@cochise
I'm sure some learnerd professional could come up with something how do fantasy leagues do it.

You are not restricting someone's earning potential in fantasy football, it quite possible that if the points are based on the wrong things that you could end someone's career!

 

[hsvjones]

@cochise So you are happy for clubs like Roosters , Souths Broncos etc.. to have like 12 rep players in there team each week and clubs like us are lucky to have 2. There salary on the NRL books is like half of what they are actually getting as they are paid in TPA, Memberships at clubs, Partners on high paying jobs doing nothing, Rent paid for etc...
I don't care what they pay them and 100% they have the right to earn what they can but if they had a points system or something like that it would make an even playing field.
How hard is it for us to bring a top player here ? We have to pay through the roof as that player is getting paid a great package at E.g. Roosters through Salary, TPA, side benefits etc.. Why would they leave unless it was massive money.. However if it was an even playing field that big club cannot have all these top players on the books even if they could pay the on the side and that spreads the talent around..
Rant over but deep down alot of people would agree..
(Disclaimer before i get any reply's - I also understand our club needs to be run better but so does the NRL)

 

[tigeress]

@cochise Yes if that makes it a more level playing field. TPA's should definitely be banned :+1:

 

[supercoach]

Been down this track so many times over the past few years. I have been banging the drum for a point system for years. Some people agree but plenty think it will not work. One thing for certain the people making the calls are more than happy with the system we have, because it gives them the opportunity to make a few clubs more equal than others

 

[Joel Helmes]

@supercoach it’s a good idea but does it solve the real problem - under the table perks and benefits?

 

[Spacecub]

@MacDougall
Had to laugh yesterday David Fafifta said he would listen to his mum to where he should sign what sort of TPA will she be on at the Rorters

Anyone friends with his mum?


She in a knitting club?

Dunno, maybe Josh's mum might know

No she's in Vegas atm

 

[hsvjones]

@helmesy Agree it would be hard to monitor.. I would clearly set the rules out to Clubs , Managers & players that if they get caught cheating all 3 would be punished with fines / suspensions.. That way if caught they know the outcomes and the player and his manager have take some responsibility for there decision and cannot play dumb

 

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The Bulldogs are preparing an historic $14 million swoop for three of the NRL's biggest name off contract players, according to a foxsports.com.au report.

Fox Sports' chief NRL reporter James Hooper is reporting that the Bulldogs have put together a plan to offer the eye-watering sum of money to lure Manly's Trbojevic brothers as well as Broncos young gun David Fifita on long-term deals. The deal, should it come to fruition, would transform a club that has been mired in salary cap trouble for the last three years. All three of the representative stars come onto the open market on November 1, with Manly heroes Tom and Jake Trbojevic the jewels in the crown of a stacked marketplace.

According to the report, Canterbury's bid includes $1.4 million-a-year over four years for the gun fullback and $1.1 million-a-year over the same period for the lock who wears the No.13 jersey for NSW and Australia. Packaged up it is a stunning $10 million offer for the two brothers who have made public their desire to stay on the northern beaches beyond the 2020 season. The $1 million-a-season offer to Fifita will also span four years, giving the club three players on seven-figure deals to build around as they chase premierships from 2021-2025.

While the Trbojevic brothers will be very difficult to entice away from Brookvale, Fifita hinted at a willingness to move away from Brisbane when asked about the interest in his services this week as he prepares to captain the Australian U23 side.

 

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Fox Sports' chief NRL reporter James Hooper is reporting that the Bulldogs have put together a plan to offer the eye-watering sum of money to lure Manly's Trbojevic brothers as well as Broncos young gun David Fifita on long-term deals. The deal, should it come to fruition, would transform a club that has been mired in salary cap trouble for the last three years. All three of the representative stars come onto the open market on November 1, with Manly heroes Tom and Jake Trbojevic the jewels in the crown of a stacked marketplace.

According to the report, Canterbury's bid includes $1.4 million-a-year over four years for the gun fullback and $1.1 million-a-year over the same period for the lock who wears the No.13 jersey for NSW and Australia. Packaged up it is a stunning $10 million offer for the two brothers who have made public their desire to stay on the northern beaches beyond the 2020 season. The $1 million-a-season offer to Fifita will also span four years, giving the club three players on seven-figure deals to build around as they chase premierships from 2021-2025.

While the Trbojevic brothers will be very difficult to entice away from Brookvale, Fifita hinted at a willingness to move away from Brisbane when asked about the interest in his services this week as he prepares to captain the Australian U23 side.

you know what, i would prefer the doggies to get fifta that teams like rorters or rabbs.... ( of course i want us to get him but....)

 

[Chris]

@cochise So you are happy for clubs like Roosters , Souths Broncos etc.. to have like 12 rep players in there team each week and clubs like us are lucky to have 2. There salary on the NRL books is like half of what they are actually getting as they are paid in TPA, Memberships at clubs, Partners on high paying jobs doing nothing, Rent paid for etc...
I don't care what they pay them and 100% they have the right to earn what they can but if they had a points system or something like that it would make an even playing field.
How hard is it for us to bring a top player here ? We have to pay through the roof as that player is getting paid a great package at E.g. Roosters through Salary, TPA, side benefits etc.. Why would they leave unless it was massive money.. However if it was an even playing field that big club cannot have all these top players on the books even if they could pay the on the side and that spreads the talent around..
Rant over but deep down alot of people would agree..
(Disclaimer before i get any reply's - I also understand our club needs to be run better but so does the NRL)

Instead of a point system, my suggestion for years has been that if a club brings their juniors through to the top grade, those players should be salary cap exempt and the club can pay whatever they feel is necessary to keep them as a reward for developing that player as a junior. In turn, I would lower the salary cap to stop teams like the roosters from poaching players from other clubs.
'
That grub at the Roosters who use to play for us is a prime example as to why this would work. If we were allowed to pay him what we liked with no salary cap restrictions, then we'd have a much better chance of keeping those juniors we develop. This would force teams like the Roosters to change their philosophy of poaching players with under the table deals and develop their own juniors.

With a lowered salary cap, the Roosters on paper would have to show that they are paying the grub $500k with TPA deals. If we're offering over a million dollars and the grub wants to say he's prepared to take less money to play in a winning team like he does now, questions will be asked of him how he can leave $500k on the table??

This system also puts focus back onto every club's juniors and makes their junior footy a priority now. That's a win/win for the game.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

@Newtown First up let me say each of them are worth it
That aside it's hard to know how you afford $3.5m or ~35% of your cap to 10% of your players, they'll be surrounded by average talent I guess if it happens as it's an average of less than $250k each for the other 27
Even if you have half a dozen on base salary of $115k (in 2021) it's an average of $270k each for the remaining 21
Will be an issue for Manly even if they keep them as they already have DCE on $1m+
Haven't the Dogs sorted their cap problems out in style?

 

[2041]

Been down this track so many times over the past few years. I have been banging the drum for a point system for years. Some people agree but plenty think it will not work. One thing for certain the people making the calls are more than happy with the system we have, because it gives them the opportunity to make a few clubs more equal than others

I just can't see how a points system would work. It couldn't be linked to real wages because that would artificially cap what players can get paid on an individual basis - as in, so-and-so is a one point player so his contract has to be X dollars. There's no way the union would wear it and rightly so.

So what you'd be left with is a system which presumably lets clubs pay what they want but have a points allowance instead of a salary cap. But then the whole thing becomes ridiculous because the whole business of roster construction would become about finding players who are better than the points ascribed to them. Instead of players getting paid roughly what the market thinks they're worth as a proportion of an overall salary cap you'd have players getting paid based on how much better or worse they are than a points value they get ascribed. A mediocre footballer who as ended up with a one rating would be worth a massive contract whereas a good player with a five rating might be unsignable.

Also, do players' points valuations change during contracts or only when they're out of contract? Imagine putting together a really good roster you've built from the ground up and finding out on 1 November that you're way over your points budget for the next season because they've all been upgraded. But if you don't have dynamic reassessment only clubs that can afford to sign players to massive long-term deals (and then eat them if they prove to be mistakes) could compete. Lattrell Mitchell might have been a two point player a couple of years ago, and you can bet that under that system the Roosters would have signed him to a 10-year deal that they simply upgrade financially as and when they want while his point value stays at two the whole time.

It might sound like a nice idea but there's no way it would work in practice. Quite apart from anything else you'd be effectively allowing the NRL to be the ultimate arbiter of player quality (or presumably some committee which would inevitably have Gorden Tallis on it).

 

[rustycage]

@cochise So you are happy for clubs like Roosters , Souths Broncos etc.. to have like 12 rep players in there team each week and clubs like us are lucky to have 2. There salary on the NRL books is like half of what they are actually getting as they are paid in TPA, Memberships at clubs, Partners on high paying jobs doing nothing, Rent paid for etc...
I don't care what they pay them and 100% they have the right to earn what they can but if they had a points system or something like that it would make an even playing field.
How hard is it for us to bring a top player here ? We have to pay through the roof as that player is getting paid a great package at E.g. Roosters through Salary, TPA, side benefits etc.. Why would they leave unless it was massive money.. However if it was an even playing field that big club cannot have all these top players on the books even if they could pay the on the side and that spreads the talent around..
Rant over but deep down alot of people would agree..
(Disclaimer before i get any reply's - I also understand our club needs to be run better but so does the NRL)

Instead of a point system, my suggestion for years has been that if a club brings their juniors through to the top grade, those players should be salary cap exempt and the club can pay whatever they feel is necessary to keep them as a reward for developing that player as a junior. In turn, I would lower the salary cap to stop teams like the roosters from poaching players from other clubs.
'
That grub at the Roosters who use to play for us is a prime example as to why this would work. If we were allowed to pay him what we liked with no salary cap restrictions, then we'd have a much better chance of keeping those juniors we develop. This would force teams like the Roosters to change their philosophy of poaching players with under the table deals and develop their own juniors.

With a lowered salary cap, the Roosters on paper would have to show that they are paying the grub $500k with TPA deals. If we're offering over a million dollars and the grub wants to say he's prepared to take less money to play in a winning team like he does now, questions will be asked of him how he can leave $500k on the table??

This system also puts focus back onto every club's juniors and makes their junior footy a priority now. That's a win/win for the game.

Makes pretty good sense to me. Let's do it.

 

[Nelson]

Been down this track so many times over the past few years. I have been banging the drum for a point system for years. Some people agree but plenty think it will not work. One thing for certain the people making the calls are more than happy with the system we have, because it gives them the opportunity to make a few clubs more equal than others

Is there an equivalent system in professional sport anywhere else in the world?

 

[2041]

@cochise So you are happy for clubs like Roosters , Souths Broncos etc.. to have like 12 rep players in there team each week and clubs like us are lucky to have 2. There salary on the NRL books is like half of what they are actually getting as they are paid in TPA, Memberships at clubs, Partners on high paying jobs doing nothing, Rent paid for etc...
I don't care what they pay them and 100% they have the right to earn what they can but if they had a points system or something like that it would make an even playing field.
How hard is it for us to bring a top player here ? We have to pay through the roof as that player is getting paid a great package at E.g. Roosters through Salary, TPA, side benefits etc.. Why would they leave unless it was massive money.. However if it was an even playing field that big club cannot have all these top players on the books even if they could pay the on the side and that spreads the talent around..
Rant over but deep down alot of people would agree..
(Disclaimer before i get any reply's - I also understand our club needs to be run better but so does the NRL)

Instead of a point system, my suggestion for years has been that if a club brings their juniors through to the top grade, those players should be salary cap exempt and the club can pay whatever they feel is necessary to keep them as a reward for developing that player as a junior. In turn, I would lower the salary cap to stop teams like the roosters from poaching players from other clubs.
'
That grub at the Roosters who use to play for us is a prime example as to why this would work. If we were allowed to pay him what we liked with no salary cap restrictions, then we'd have a much better chance of keeping those juniors we develop. This would force teams like the Roosters to change their philosophy of poaching players with under the table deals and develop their own juniors.

With a lowered salary cap, the Roosters on paper would have to show that they are paying the grub $500k with TPA deals. If we're offering over a million dollars and the grub wants to say he's prepared to take less money to play in a winning team like he does now, questions will be asked of him how he can leave $500k on the table??

This system also puts focus back onto every club's juniors and makes their junior footy a priority now. That's a win/win for the game.

Again it's a nice idea but it probably wouldn't work how you hope. First up, how do you define 'junior'. The easiest way is probably to say if you make your first-grade debut for a club you count as a junior. All that would happen then is the Roosters putting more resources into poaching other clubs' best players at 18.

If you say junior means you have to have been in a club's system since, say, 16 you're unfairly penalising anyone who isn't a clear star at a very young age. Lots of fantastic players emerged as real talents later and move between clubs before developing. These players would be much less valuable as they don't qualify for cap exemption. What if a kid's parents moved from Auckland to Sydney, or Canberra to Townsville, when he was 16 and he changed clubs as a result?

Basically, if you set the qualifying line too old it promotes poaching and if you set it too young it penalises players unfairly.

Maybe there's some sort of sliding scale that could be used, where clubs get cap discounts for players based on the number of years they've been with the club starting at 16 or 17. It couldn't be a huge offset but it would be a small incentive to retention rather than moving and would also apply to someone like a Twal who isn't a Tigers junior but could play his whole first grade career at the Tigers.

 

[PJ_]

No club organised tpa's.
Players management has to source, or player themselves. Any tpa's tied to club have to be included in salary cap. Club sponsors sponsor the whole club, not individual players. Cars, free rent, ets included in salary cap package. Any club sponsor giving entitlements to family members must be declared and judged on merit. Jobs after footy career ends must be declared and deemed appropriate.
Clubs must declare all payments otherwise penalties incur.
Make all salaries and tpa's transparent.
Just a thought.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

@2041
The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

 

[Tiger5150]

No club organised tpa's.
Players management has to source, or player themselves. Any tpa's tied to club have to be included in salary cap. Club sponsors sponsor the whole club, not individual players. Cars, free rent, ets included in salary cap package. Any club sponsor giving entitlements to family members must be declared and judged on merit. Jobs after footy career ends must be declared and deemed appropriate.
Clubs must declare all payments otherwise penalties incur.
Make all salaries and tpa's transparent.
Just a thought.

Actually all of that is the case right now.

 

[jirskyr]

The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

Get ready then for Roosters and Broncos to sign up every 1-point junior in the comp to 15-year deals.

Will work out great when David Fifita is on the 8th year of his $1.7M, 1-salary cap point annual deal.