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Wests Tigers cut eight players from roster

Tigers coach Michael Maguire is preparing to hit the transfer market with eight players departing the club this week, opening the door for several high-profile players to come to the club



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September 28, 2020 8:07pm

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Wests farewell Benji and Chris Lawrence

NRL: The Wests Tigers have farewelled Benji Marshall and Chris Lawrence in their final game for the club against the Parramatta Eels.

It’s a brutal game, rugby league. The 2020 NRL season has only just finished for the bottom eight sides but they’re already making moves for next year’s campaign.

And it’s bad news for a host of players whose NRL futures are up in the air after being told they’re not wanted by their current clubs. Canterbury kicked off the clean-outs last week when eight players were told their services are not required beyond this year.



After missing out on the finals series for the ninth straight year, the Wests Tigers have made similar moves with eight players departing the Concord club this week.


WESTS TIGERS

Who’s left: Benji Marshall, Chris Lawrence (retired), Elijah Taylor, Matt Eisenhuth, Dylan Smith, Robert Jennings, Oliver Clark, Harry Grant (loan)

Analysis: The farewell of Benji Marshall and retirement of stalwart Chris Lawrence dominated the headlines last week but behind the scenes another five players were released to pursue opportunities elsewhere.

The Wests Tigers are in the midst of a player exodus.

Two non-Sydney clubs have expressed preliminary interest in Marshall, who is keen to play on in season 2021.

Coach Michael Maguire has also opted not to re-sign utility forward Elijah Taylor, who revealed his management had been in talks with rivals in the hope of securing a deal next season.





Since making his debut in 2017, Eisenhuth has played 70 games in Tigers colours but like Taylor is not part of Maguire’s plans moving forward.

Outside back Robert Jennings is also on the look out for a new home after he was cut from Maguire’s 30-man roster.

Jordan Rapana is on Wests Tigers’ radar.

Boom hooker Harry Grant, who was on loan from Melbourne, will re-join the Storm.

The moves open the door for the club to hit the player market.

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

It’s expected four development players including talented hooker, Jake Simpkin, will be upgraded into the top 30 roster for season 2021.

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS

Who’s left: Kieran Foran, Aiden Tolman, Marcelo Montoya, Jesse Sue, Kerrod, Holland (retired), Jack Cogger, Isaiah Tass

Analysis: Last week, the Bulldogs announced eight players — including Kieran Foran, Aiden Tolman and Marcelo Montoya — were leaving the club at the end of the season.

The roster overhaul has opened the door for the incoming coach to target not only the game’s brightest prospects like Melbourne’s Brandon Smith and Penrith’s Matt Burton but more experienced players like Benji Marshall.

Aiden Tolman’s services are no longer required under Trent Barrett.

With Foran leaving and new recruit Blake Green (ACL) unlikely to be available for the opening rounds of the season, Marshall could be a potential suitor for a club that could do with an experienced playmaker to help guide its stable of young halves - Jake Averillo, Brandon Wakeham and Lachlan Lewis - in season 2021.

New club sponsor and pub baron Arthur Laundy told The Daily Telegraph he has his sights set on Penrith back Charlie Staines and halfback Burton. Laundy is expected to make a 900km road trip to personally visit Staines’ family in Forbes and Burton’s family in Dubbo, to help get the respective deals across the line.

 

[TigerSJ]

We are losing depth forwards in ET, Huth, Clark, Seyfarth, Lawrence and possibly Garner, some of these are in our top17 but we are not replacing them with top 17 starting players (other than Tamou and Stefano) so far. If we want to move forward with improving our pack we need to swap out those guys for better options otherwise our roster is going backwards.
Host and Hetherington would be good options for us.
My worry is that the limited roster spots gained by losing these guys are being taken up in a large part by average development players who will not help our starting 17 or our depth for that matter. This process will result in an overall weaker 30 man squad, less competition for starting spots and no depth when injuries occur.

 

[Needaname]

Anyone considering Tolman obviously has no interest in seeing the WT make the 8. Just another plodder who is exactly the type of player we don't need. I'm still hopeful we can snag Hetherington.

As I said, I’d buy him if Packer moves on.
But still prefer Packer although his price would be Threefold of Tolman.
Hetherington would be first choice, I agree.
We probably now have a cornerstone prop in Tamou and don’t have a need for a Tolman. Newcastle could replace Guerra, Glasby with him. Sharks to balance out their aggression and hard hitting forwards and Manly to replace AFB/Waddell.

 

[izotope]

We are losing depth forwards in ET, Huth, Clark, Seyfarth, Lawrence and possibly Garner, some of these are in our top17 but we are not replacing them with top 17 starting players (other than Tamou and Stefano) so far. If we want to move forward with improving our pack we need to swap out those guys for better options otherwise our roster is going backwards.
Host and Hetherington would be good options for us.
My worry is that the limited roster spots gained by losing these guys are being taken up in a large part by average development players who will not help our starting 17 or our depth for that matter. This process will result in an overall weaker 30 man squad, less competition for starting spots and no depth when injuries occur.

Kinda feel our position doesnt really allow us to have quality depth.
Especially considering 3 players eating up a good chunk of the cap.

Rather Garner over MCK
Tolman on min wage if packer moves on. Otherwise not gaining anything
That being said would of rather kept the huth over any of the above as a depth signing

 

[Magpieger]

I wonder if Blore could make a transition to front-row, he's very young and already a pretty big rig. Might end up like Fisher-Harris?

Maybe eventually but I’m pretty sure they want to start him on the edge. Gus Gould said his best attribute is his hole running and he looked good there in the limited minutes he played there vs eels

Really looking forward to seeing him after a full pre-season. With some conditioning and maybe trimming down a little he's gonna be a weapon. I'm sure he'll show Madge he's up for bigger, quality minutes.

 

[Tiger5150]

I wonder if Blore could make a transition to front-row, he's very young and already a pretty big rig. Might end up like Fisher-Harris?

Maybe eventually but I’m pretty sure they want to start him on the edge. Gus Gould said his best attribute is his hole running and he looked good there in the limited minutes he played there vs eels

Really looking forward to seeing him after a full pre-season. With some conditioning and maybe trimming down a little he's gonna be a weapon. I'm sure he'll show Madge he's up for bigger, quality minutes.

This is the key for Blore and will be what makes or breaks him. Probably couldnt have a better coach for this stage of his career.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Foran playing hooker? Nice cover to smooth ruffled feathers!

With his shoulder
That will work

 

[Cairnstigers]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

 

[jrtiger]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

 

[tony soprano]

I wonder if Blore could make a transition to front-row, he's very young and already a pretty big rig. Might end up like Fisher-Harris?

Maybe eventually but I’m pretty sure they want to start him on the edge. Gus Gould said his best attribute is his hole running and he looked good there in the limited minutes he played there vs eels

Really looking forward to seeing him after a full pre-season. With some conditioning and maybe trimming down a little he's gonna be a weapon. I'm sure he'll show Madge he's up for bigger, quality minutes.

He made 100m pretty quickly last week

 

[pawsandclaws1]

IMO to many want meter eater forwards .. I think less meter eaters but a few more axes in defence this is the area the team is being exposed !

We get dominated in run metres every week. Most of our guys average less than 100 metres a game. Our defence definitely needs work but we struggle to move down the field, partly because our pack isn’t good enough and party because our halves never built any pressure at all this seaso.

I’ll agree with Snake, it’s disheartening watching our halfback put the biggest hits on the forwards. A lot of our forwards tackle like Hindy. Which is ok, you need a player or two that sweep the defensive line and do ‘clean up work’ but I cry every time an opportunity presents for the second man in to bend the attacker back and instead they just grab. McIntrye and Blore should be the blueprint. The two others that meet this standard are Clark and Seyfarth. Not one of our other forwards has any intention to hit hard in first contact.

Time for our forwards to have a big off season with emphasis on mobility and tackling technique. Each player improves their tackling technique and we become a much harder team. Good solid defence builds confidence and a platform to unleash our attack.

 

[Guest]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

That's correct. I think it's a two-horse race between us and the Bulldogs, as he's pretty much guaranteed to get a payrise and get more minutes on the field which is obviously what he wants. Hopefully Tamou is in his ear but who knows, he may really rate Barrett as a coach which if this is the case then he's probably not too smart afterall.

 

[851]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

That's correct. I think it's a two-horse race between us and the Bulldogs, as he's pretty much guaranteed to get a payrise and get more minutes on the field which is obviously what he wants. Hopefully Tamou is in his ear but who knows, he may really rate Barrett as a coach which if this is the case then he's probably not too smart afterall.

Tamau and Hetherington could be a lure to Stains and Burton

 

[mike]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

That's correct. I think it's a two-horse race between us and the Bulldogs, as he's pretty much guaranteed to get a payrise and get more minutes on the field which is obviously what he wants. Hopefully Tamou is in his ear but who knows, he may really rate Barrett as a coach which if this is the case then he's probably not too smart afterall.

The Dogs are at the brink of civil war. Why would anyone go there with the turmoil that is going on with the front office.

 

[The-moP]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

That's correct. I think it's a two-horse race between us and the Bulldogs, as he's pretty much guaranteed to get a payrise and get more minutes on the field which is obviously what he wants. Hopefully Tamou is in his ear but who knows, he may really rate Barrett as a coach which if this is the case then he's probably not too smart afterall.

Tamau and Hetherington could be a lure to Stains and Burton

Wouldn't that be a great .. "Stick that where it fits gift .. !!" to Mr I. Cleary .. !! ;-)

 

[weststigerman]

Anyone considering Tolman obviously has no interest in seeing the WT make the 8. Just another plodder who is exactly the type of player we don't need. I'm still hopeful we can snag Hetherington.

Please don't tell me you rate Mikaele or Packer higher than Tolman. Bellamy did alright with this plodder.

Hetherington is the flavour of the month, much like Lomax was last year. If we're going to get value out of the salary cap, we have to find value. Everyone is trying to sign Hetherington which means his price is going to be silly.

 

[Geo]

Melbourne flyer Josh Addo-Carr remains a recruitment priority but it’s understood Canberra’s Jordan Rapana is now also on the club’s radar.

I hope we are not going to target Rapana if we miss out on JAC.

Upgrading our pack should be our priority. Targeting JAC makes sense because he is quality and players of his class don't come on the market very often. But if we miss out on him we should be chasing forwards.

Disagree strongly. Pace us our no 1 priority. We've got Tamou now we need JAC and Staines. Besides Kepaoa and Brooks, our backs are slugs.

I don't agree Paws. We have had no problems scoring points. But we are monstered by most other packs. We just can't contain their momentum and we have trouble getting out of our own half. We need better forwards.

I know we have an issue in the forwards. I have no objection to more forwards so long as existing forwards go so we are not impacting our capacity to recruit fast backs. Perhaps we need to expect more from those we have? You cannot coach pace and as we've witnessed with JAC, pace is critical in shutting down opposition attacks.

unlike some other clubs, apparently, the WT play according to the NRL rules. Ideally, we would buy at least: Papalii, JWH, Taumalolo, Heinrington, Staines, Drinkwater and JAC !
But a limited salary cap says the WT can not, the question then is how to distribute the limited resources.
IMHO the answer is obvious, like many games, year after year, show us - we are too frequently rolled through the middle, and allow too many easy breaks. Also, in the attack, because of the lack of go forward, our 'offensive' kicks are from 40m at best. These issues will not be sold by JAC, we had speedsters Tedesco, Simona, JAC but still suffered from the same issues. IMHO, we need at least one aggressive experienced prop and 2nd rower (e.g. A Paasi, Heinrington), and then think of JAC, Staines, Drinkwater etc.

I think Hetherington would be a great signing and I still can't believe there's been no news about us chasing him. Not sure about Heinrington though, haven't seen enough of him...

no news is good news
Or so they say

wasn't there someone last week that said Hetherington had told both Manly and NZ that he wouldn't be joining them? could mean it's down to us and the dogs, but what's the chances of him remaining at Penrith?

That's correct. I think it's a two-horse race between us and the Bulldogs, as he's pretty much guaranteed to get a payrise and get more minutes on the field which is obviously what he wants. Hopefully Tamou is in his ear but who knows, he may really rate Barrett as a coach which if this is the case then he's probably not too smart afterall.

The Dogs are at the brink of civil war. Why would anyone go there with the turmoil that is going on with the front office.

$$$$$$$$$$$$...

 

[avocadoontoast]

I've never been a fan of Tolman at all but I was pretty surprised to see he averaged 140m per game and over 40 tackles. Statistically he would have been our best forward.

 

[Harvey]

I wonder if Blore could make a transition to front-row, he's very young and already a pretty big rig. Might end up like Fisher-Harris?

Maybe eventually but I’m pretty sure they want to start him on the edge. Gus Gould said his best attribute is his hole running and he looked good there in the limited minutes he played there vs eels

Twice the player Packer is at half the price.

 

[JC99]

I've never been a fan of Tolman at all but I was pretty surprised to see he averaged 140m per game and over 40 tackles. Statistically he would have been our best forward.

He’s always been good for stats problem is whenever he touches the ball the teams entire momentum goes, he slowly goes to the line and takes the tackle rarely offloading. Plays a lot like Gallen In his final few seasons lots of fourth tackle hit ups killing the play lol