Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Deleted member 3518]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

Are you serious? Yes it’s a dog eat dog environment, but they don’t have the time or money to look to keep everyone.
TBH, the fact they are here, is feat in it self?
Though I would be sure, that some great players have slipped through the gaps? That’s life.

What ? I’m talking about giving Laurie the 1 , and then kicking him to the curb if he’s not a superstar in year 1 . To me , if we pick him , we have to allow him time to develop . He’s 20

 

[TigerWest]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

Are you serious? Yes it’s a dog eat dog environment, but they don’t have the time or money to look to keep everyone.
TBH, the fact they are here, is feat in it self?
Though I would be sure, that some great players have slipped through the gaps? That’s life.

What ? I’m talking about giving Laurie the 1 , and then kicking him to the curb if he’s not a superstar in year 1 . To me , if we pick him , we have to allow him time to develop . He’s 20

Sorry, didn’t read all the follow up posts, though I don’t see that happening with Laurie, he was a targeted signing.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

Are you serious? Yes it’s a dog eat dog environment, but they don’t have the time or money to look to keep everyone.
TBH, the fact they are here, is feat in it self?
Though I would be sure, that some great players have slipped through the gaps? That’s life.

What ? I’m talking about giving Laurie the 1 , and then kicking him to the curb if he’s not a superstar in year 1 . To me , if we pick him , we have to allow him time to develop . He’s 20

Sorry, didn’t read all the follow up posts, though I don’t see that happening with Laurie, he was a targeted signing.

Yea , me too . But sleeve was saying if he’s not good find someone else . Seems really short sighted .

 

[Needaname]

People can’t expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can’t remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

I agree that people are unrealistic expecting Jake Simpkin to be Harry Grant Mark 2 in 2021.

I have never seen Simpkin play and so I don't know what to expect. But one thing we need to consider when comparing the two is that Harry was 22 when he debuted with us. Jake turned 19 last October.

Harry had three years more footy under his belt than Jake when he turned out for us and, Jake played virtually no footy last year.

I think we need to temper our expectations when it comes to Jake.

Not only did he have 3 more years of footy, but he was learning off Bellamy and Cam Smith two greats of the game.

Jake did look good in his one reserve grade last year and there's plenty to be excited about but patience is a virtue

Robbie Farah is no slouch.

Farah was only involved in limited capacity last year due to the NRL bubble.

 

[Needaname]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.

Oh that’s interesting. I’m expecting a forward to be released for Burton. They may even entertain Napa again.

Reason being a lot of people in the Panthers forum were discussing that Panthers had been courting Seumanufagi to come home in even a direct swap for Tetavano.
Could it be a three way trade?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

Yeah Gamble got a lot of unwarranted hate that night. Don't think it has to be a battle of Liddle vs Simpkin both can play a role in our team we just don't need to have mega expectations of a kid who's barely played reserves.

Got to disagree . His defence and lack of shoulder when tackling was exposed by of all people , 1 legged Kieren Foran . In fact that was the knock on him the whole time through the grades, his defence was benji Marshall level poor. Except benji could give you the points to make up for it.
Simpkin , has been the best 9 prospect to come through qld in a while . His name came up in passing convo , like 4 years ago. He has a barge arse , which means power and strength , plus acceleration . His game is predicated on power , and at 18 he was running over 30 year olds. The kid is special .
To me Tyson gamble , was a late first round early second round draft pick . His flaws , are so bad , you can’t take him higher in the draft , but if he could figure it out , he could be a handy role player.
Jake Simpkin , is a potential number 1 draft pick . He’s strong , has a decent passing game , and can find a line break, in a key position .

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

let's hope Jacob gets through half a season first... Simpkins time will come

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

some judges have rated simpkins as good as Harry was at same level, hope they are right. Hopefully we have a big strong 9 in the cam Smith mould.
Jacob great dummy half runner and passing off the deck he has only played 43 games I guess

 

[sleeve]

Injuries play a big part in the game.Forwards can be moved around to cover injuries except for the hooker.The backs the same except for 1,6,and 7.It is vital to have a quality backup for these positions and i think that is why Walters is valuable to this side,because he can cover 6,7,and 9. Fullback is still the position of concern,we hope Laurie kills it,but we have little in the way of backup,as shown last year. This is our biggest worry i think.


Realistically if Laurie does take the No 1 spot from Mbye then he ( Mbye ) will take on the utility role that Walters currently has. Mbye can cover the whole spine and the centres - he would have to be the most experienced albeit most expensive utility in the NRL.

Basically Mbye can play anywhere , except front row .

After 1 year ? Then it’s catch you later ? For a 20 year old ? That’s pretty disloyal in my opinion .

What do you mean by disloyal? In what regard?

After a year you kick them to the curb.That’s disloyal. These kids come into the hope that they will be developed and have time to develop .

Are you serious? Yes it’s a dog eat dog environment, but they don’t have the time or money to look to keep everyone.
TBH, the fact they are here, is feat in it self?
Though I would be sure, that some great players have slipped through the gaps? That’s life.

What ? I’m talking about giving Laurie the 1 , and then kicking him to the curb if he’s not a superstar in year 1 . To me , if we pick him , we have to allow him time to develop . He’s 20

Sorry, didn’t read all the follow up posts, though I don’t see that happening with Laurie, he was a targeted signing.

Yea , me too . But sleeve was saying if he’s not good find someone else . Seems really short sighted .

I am a massive Laurie fan.You have completely misread my post.I simply said we need a backup for Laurie,in case of injury,'READ MY POST CORRECTLY .I said i hope he kills it,and that if he gets moved to 5/8 etc or injured we have no backup.YOUR COMPREHENSION IS TERRIBLE.

 

[JC99]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

Yeah Gamble got a lot of unwarranted hate that night. Don't think it has to be a battle of Liddle vs Simpkin both can play a role in our team we just don't need to have mega expectations of a kid who's barely played reserves.

Got to disagree . His defence and lack of shoulder when tackling was exposed by of all people , 1 legged Kieren Foran . In fact that was the knock on him the whole time through the grades, his defence was benji Marshall level poor. Except benji could give you the points to make up for it.
Simpkin , has been the best 9 prospect to come through qld in a while . His name came up in passing convo , like 4 years ago. He has a barge arse , which means power and strength , plus acceleration . His game is predicated on power , and at 18 he was running over 30 year olds. The kid is special .
To me Tyson gamble , was a late first round early second round draft pick . His flaws , are so bad , you can’t take him higher in the draft , but if he could figure it out , he could be a handy role player.
Jake Simpkin , is a potential number 1 draft pick . He’s strong , has a decent passing game , and can find a line break, in a key position .

Gamble had his flaws, what I meant was people seemingly blamed him and him alone for our loss - despite getting absolutely spanked by Canberra that night as we always do.

 

[Leck]

There's a lot of opinions in this thread at the moment about Jake and Jock. From what I've seen I believe they're both going to be stars in the next couple of years.

We play the Chooks next week in a second tier trial.

Jake and Jock will hopefully play and answer all our questions.

 

[sleeve]

TO strongee, re my original post,your reply which i could make no sense of and my request for clarification,and then more shorthand that only you can decipher has led to this rubbish.I enjoy your posts,but please be more specific so i know what your talking about.

 

[the_third]

How can Gold Coast fit smith in their cap

I said the same thing, Fifta on 1.25 million and Taylor on a million, plus Tino and Ese Ese coming as well, got the chooks or souths accountant

I can only think they have done Contracts based on performance bonuses.

Yes, 9 million cap and 2.25 goes on two players.
Proctor must be on 400k minimum.
AJ Brimstone surely must be fielding offers around the 500k+ mark. There are a fair few that should be on decent coin.

I could be wrong but I think the NRL counts all performance based deals as if they maxed out the bonuses. So it doesn’t matter if it’s performance based or not.

They probably have quite a few on minimum or close once you get past the top squad - I have t looked though

 

[Russell]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

Yeah Gamble got a lot of unwarranted hate that night. Don't think it has to be a battle of Liddle vs Simpkin both can play a role in our team we just don't need to have mega expectations of a kid who's barely played reserves.

Got to disagree . His defence and lack of shoulder when tackling was exposed by of all people , 1 legged Kieren Foran . In fact that was the knock on him the whole time through the grades, his defence was benji Marshall level poor. Except benji could give you the points to make up for it.
Simpkin , has been the best 9 prospect to come through qld in a while . His name came up in passing convo , like 4 years ago. He has a barge arse , which means power and strength , plus acceleration . His game is predicated on power , and at 18 he was running over 30 year olds. The kid is special .
To me Tyson gamble , was a late first round early second round draft pick . His flaws , are so bad , you can’t take him higher in the draft , but if he could figure it out , he could be a handy role player.
Jake Simpkin , is a potential number 1 draft pick . He’s strong , has a decent passing game , and can find a line break, in a key position .

Gamble had his flaws, what I meant was people seemingly blamed him and him alone for our loss - despite getting absolutely spanked by Canberra that night as we always do.

And that was it - one go, never to be picked again. Even Lovett and Jennings had more than one go.

 

[carltonleach]

There are a small number of players who played young and sustained injuries as did many senior players,who can determine it was their youth or underdevloped body that was the reason ?The vast majority of players that played at a young age and played with minimum major injuries would far outweigh a very few who did get injuries which could be attributed to many things.Sport science has come a long way,and the professional staff at the club would be aware of the development required to play 1st grade.Old tales abound on this forum and i am as guilt as the next guy ,but unless some statistical proof exists,i'll trust the coaching staff.

Bang on mate couldn’t agree more ay! I see it as if u are going to get injured it doesn’t matter your age or size!

 

[TigerVinnie]

I am a massive Laurie fan.You have completely misread my post.I simply said we need a backup for Laurie,in case of injury,'READ MY POST CORRECTLY .I said i hope he kills it,and that if he gets moved to 5/8 etc or injured we have no backup.YOUR COMPREHENSION IS TERRIBLE.

With all due respect, please add spaces after your commas and full stops. I find a lot of your rant posts sometimes difficult to read because of this...might help with people's 'comprehension' issues.

Back on topic, why is Mybe not our backup? He would slot straight back to number 1 easily with injury.

Our depth is:
Halves: AD, Brooks, Madden, Mybe, Talau
Fullback: Laurie, Mybe, Roberts Davis

If we have that many injuries that all these players are unavailable - then were going to be in trouble regardless.

 

[TigerWest]

Seumanufagai to the dogs. Damn thought we had him.

Oh that’s interesting. I’m expecting a forward to be released for Burton. They may even entertain Napa again.

Reason being a lot of people in the Panthers forum were discussing that Panthers had been courting Seumanufagi to come home in even a direct swap for Tetavano.
Could it be a three way trade?

Sorry, just clarifying, are we involved in this trade and who are you thinking we would get?

 

[Tiger5150]

Another thing with simpkin is that he hasnt played footy in a long time...harry came off a year of CC

He's barely even played reserve grade. People want to throw him in early and will be disappointed and attack him when he's not an instant star. Gotta let him play against men in reserves for a few weeks at least before putting him in top grade there's no rush

People can't expect Harry Grant 2.0. Harry is just on another level, can't remember a rookie season that good for a long long time

Maybe not talent wise but I see a lot of the Tyson Gamble scenario in what people want to do with Simpkin.

Gamble was touted to be a real good prospect whilst playing in QLD, came to Tigers, played cc for a little while and then they shoved him into the NRL (not much of a team at the time) side to play Canberra in the Capital.

Our team was pathetic and was thrashed; Gamble had no experience of NRL and was crucified by all and sundry.

Never played NRL for us again, was let go - selected in the NRL again (for Donkeys I think) - injured before the game and still has not played another NRL game.

Keep pushing for Simpkin to play NRL too soon boys. Makes it all the easier for our No. 1 DH to permanently seal his spot.

Go get 'em Jake.

Yeah Gamble got a lot of unwarranted hate that night. Don't think it has to be a battle of Liddle vs Simpkin both can play a role in our team we just don't need to have mega expectations of a kid who's barely played reserves.

Got to disagree . His defence and lack of shoulder when tackling was exposed by of all people , 1 legged Kieren Foran . In fact that was the knock on him the whole time through the grades, his defence was benji Marshall level poor. Except benji could give you the points to make up for it.
Simpkin , has been the best 9 prospect to come through qld in a while . His name came up in passing convo , like 4 years ago. He has a barge arse , which means power and strength , plus acceleration . His game is predicated on power , and at 18 he was running over 30 year olds. The kid is special .
To me Tyson gamble , was a late first round early second round draft pick . His flaws , are so bad , you can’t take him higher in the draft , but if he could figure it out , he could be a handy role player.
Jake Simpkin , is a potential number 1 draft pick . He’s strong , has a decent passing game , and can find a line break, in a key position .

Gamble had his flaws, what I meant was people seemingly blamed him and him alone for our loss - despite getting absolutely spanked by Canberra that night as we always do.

And that was it - one go, never to be picked again. Even Lovett and Jennings had more than one go.

Well he played 2 games for the Broncos last year. If he is any good and it was our error, he will kick on somewhere else surely?

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

I am a massive Laurie fan.You have completely misread my post.I simply said we need a backup for Laurie,in case of injury,'READ MY POST CORRECTLY .I said i hope he kills it,and that if he gets moved to 5/8 etc or injured we have no backup.YOUR COMPREHENSION IS TERRIBLE.

With all due respect, please add spaces after your commas and full stops. I find a lot of your rant posts sometimes difficult to read because of this...might help with people's 'comprehension' issues.

Back on topic, why is Mybe not our backup? He would slot straight back to number 1 easily with injury.

Our depth is:
Halves: AD, Brooks, Madden, Mybe, Talau
Fullback: Laurie, Mybe, Roberts Davis

If we have that many injuries that all these players are unavailable - then were going to be in trouble regardless.

Of course we would have issues if every single one of those guys got injured. How pessimistic can you be?

Laurie can play in the halves btw

 

[Tiger5150]

I am a massive Laurie fan.You have completely misread my post.I simply said we need a backup for Laurie,in case of injury,'READ MY POST CORRECTLY .I said i hope he kills it,and that if he gets moved to 5/8 etc or injured we have no backup.YOUR COMPREHENSION IS TERRIBLE.

With all due respect, please add spaces after your commas and full stops. I find a lot of your rant posts sometimes difficult to read because of this...might help with people's 'comprehension' issues.

Back on topic, why is Mybe not our backup? He would slot straight back to number 1 easily with injury.

Our depth is:
Halves: AD, Brooks, Madden, Mybe, Talau
Fullback: Laurie, Mybe, Roberts Davis

If we have that many injuries that all these players are unavailable - then were going to be in trouble regardless.

Just because you can list a list of names doesnt mean they are effective depth. In all teams but in particular us, the fullback and halves depth are linked. For example if a half goes down, it could drag a FB option out. Of the "depth" options listed for 5/8, only Brooks and Mbye have more than 1 game of NRL experience. FB options only Mbye has more than 1 game of experience.

In short if we have Roberts Davis or Talau anywhere near these positions, we are in SERIOUS trouble. I think we are pretty skinny at FB, but hopefully Mbye & Laurie stay healthy.