Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour
 
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour


Completely agree with you.I dont want another Slimey or Matterson type at the the club.We need players who have integrity not Prima Donnas
 
@tigerlily said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311149) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311089) said:
@teddy23 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311062) said:
Jordan Riki off contract at the end of the year, seems like a huge prospect

Been saying we should chase him since his debut, I'd be surprised if he left the donkeys. Gun player

Had Riki on my wish list for sometime myself, hopefully having Madge as the Kiwi Coach might be an incentive to bring him down to the WT.


I doubt Maguire coaching the kid one game a year is going to have much influence somehow.
 
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

It could all be nothing other than just forum nonsense and he may have a genuine agreement with Wigan for a late return but when the season starts in just 3 weeks time it does all seem pretty strange.

I'm fairly certain that he only signed his contract back in November despite knowing full well the impact that COVID has had over here in the UK, so it does make me think that IF he is refusing to travel back to England and looking to break his contract then he must have a concrete offer on the table.
 
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

If this story is true then signing Hastings would be a mistake
 
Of course if Hastings turns out to be the gun people have touted him to be and we win games, then no worries, right? Perhaps we can swap them a player? That seems to be how early releases are now handled.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311174) said:
I was happy to sign Hastings when it looked unlikely Laurie was coming over but i'm not sure he's really all that necessary now.

Also based on Madden looking OK against Manly. Do we want Hastings blocking his progression?
 
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311176) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311174) said:
I was happy to sign Hastings when it looked unlikely Laurie was coming over but i'm not sure he's really all that necessary now.

Also based on Madden looking OK against Manly. Do we want Hastings blocking his progression?

I think it is clear to me that we Do Not Need Hastings based on the Players available.

Best Spine for Tigers
1 - Laurie
6 - AD
7 - Brooks
9 - Liddle

Madden and Simpkin are the next in line and who we could be building our club around for the next 10 years.
 
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311176) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311174) said:
I was happy to sign Hastings when it looked unlikely Laurie was coming over but i'm not sure he's really all that necessary now.

Also based on Madden looking OK against Manly. Do we want Hastings blocking his progression?

I'm not really sold on what i've seen of Madden so far but he's only young (and hasn't really played in a year).
 
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311165) said:
@tigerlily said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311149) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311089) said:
@teddy23 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311062) said:
Jordan Riki off contract at the end of the year, seems like a huge prospect

Been saying we should chase him since his debut, I'd be surprised if he left the donkeys. Gun player

Had Riki on my wish list for sometime myself, hopefully having Madge as the Kiwi Coach might be an incentive to bring him down to the WT.


I doubt Maguire coaching the kid one game a year is going to have much influence somehow.

Couldn't hurt though...
 
@spartan117 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311179) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311176) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311174) said:
I was happy to sign Hastings when it looked unlikely Laurie was coming over but i'm not sure he's really all that necessary now.

Also based on Madden looking OK against Manly. Do we want Hastings blocking his progression?

I think it is clear to me that we Do Not Need Hastings based on the Players available.

Best Spine for Tigers
1 - Laurie
6 - AD
7 - Brooks
9 - Liddle

Madden and Simpkin are the next in line and who we could be building our club around for the next 10 years.

Hastings would just be another ego to deal with

Yeah Madden didn’t seem like he did much over the weekend but he played the perfect foil for Brooks and unleashed Lukes potential. It’s the stuff you don’t see on camera that goes unnoticed (obviously)
 
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1310636) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1310633) said:
@furious1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1310182) said:
@cairnstigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1310171) said:
@tonza said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1310064) said:
Anybody who can play 1st grade on a regular basis must be a good player. Let alone 17 origins and 2 tests. He gets my respect.

Who was the coach when Ikin played for Brisbane , Qld and Australia and What is Ikins relationship with this coach

That coach of Australia in 1998 when Ikin played, didn't coach Australia in 1999
What a coincidence, neither did Ikin

Ikin was OK but I didn't think he was that good

Pretty sure it was Fatty when he debuted for Qld and maybe Peter Louis at Norths, before he went to Broncos

Correct it was Fatty and Peter Louis for North sydney


Just to keep this thread on track....

Im pretty sure Ikin was at the Gold Coast when he was picked for SoO

100 % correct
 
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311170) said:
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

If this story is true then signing Hastings would be a mistake

I agree. There's one potential mindset of "winning at all costs" and that may involve singing up bad eggs for the sole purpose of winning matches.

However Tigers in particular have been burnt several times by personal-brand footballers who are just looking for that next big score. Whilst I can recognise that any individual will look to do what is best for themselves, when you are developing any business, you need to anchor your team with a bulk of long-term team contributors.

If you only sign folks looking for top dollar or highest personal convenience, you are almost guaranteed they'll chase that top dollar again when their contract is next up, which in rugby league terms will be 2-4 seasons. And it may be naive to hope to find team-minded footballers in 2021, but you won't find sustained success without it.

This is particularly true for WT who don't quite have the deep pockets or private sponsorship capacity (at least not that we are aware of) of other clubs. And even a huge selling point for players - sustained success - puts you at a different disadvantage where you might no longer be able to pay the total money the players are demanding. So again it's in your interests to have footballers who are club-minded as well as personally-minded.

All that being a big rant from me, the behaviours of a player at their current club are a very good predictor of their future behaviour. It would be naive to think they'll change their stripes (pun intended) because your club is "different" to them. It may end up that way, but don't bet on it.

If Hastings is trying to wriggle out of his Wigan contract, even for the benefit of Wests Tigers, I am absolutely against it as a predictor of his future with us, a mid-tier success-starved club. And why I most respect any player, even potentially a Storm or Roosters player (when it's a much easier decision), who chooses to remain and develop their club when more money is on offer elsewhere.
 
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

So we’re hanging him on speculation and guesswork on a forum?
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311200) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311170) said:
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

If this story is true then signing Hastings would be a mistake

I agree. There's one potential mindset of "winning at all costs" and that may involve singing up bad eggs for the sole purpose of winning matches.

However Tigers in particular have been burnt several times by personal-brand footballers who are just looking for that next big score. Whilst I can recognise that any individual will look to do what is best for themselves, when you are developing any business, you need to anchor your team with a bulk of long-term team contributors.

If you only sign folks looking for top dollar or highest personal convenience, you are almost guaranteed they'll chase that top dollar again when their contract is next up, which in rugby league terms will be 2-4 seasons. And it may be naive to hope to find team-minded footballers in 2021, but you won't find sustained success without it.

This is particularly true for WT who don't quite have the deep pockets or private sponsorship capacity (at least not that we are aware of) of other clubs. And even a huge selling point for players - sustained success - puts you at a different disadvantage where you might no longer be able to pay the total money the players are demanding. So again it's in your interests to have footballers who are club-minded as well as personally-minded.

All that being a big rant from me, the behaviours of a player at their current club are a very good predictor of their future behaviour. It would be naive to think they'll change their stripes (pun intended) because your club is "different" to them. It may end up that way, but don't bet on it.

If Hastings is trying to wriggle out of his Wigan contract, even for the benefit of Wests Tigers, I am absolutely against it as a predictor of his future with us, a mid-tier success-starved club. And why I most respect any player, even potentially a Storm or Roosters player (when it's a much easier decision), who chooses to remain and develop their club when more money is on offer elsewhere.

How do you view a club that turfs out a player who still has a contract or he’s on big money is that ok
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311200) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311170) said:
@frullens said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311163) said:
@another-pom said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311155) said:
A little update from the Wigan forum regarding Jackson Hastings. It seems that both he and Bevan French are still in Australia ....


* Hastings refused to come back to England's because Wigan refused to release him from his contract.


* Wigan then reluctantly agreed to let him stay in Aus longer.


* Wigan then informed French he could stay longer in line with Hastings stating longer.


* Thats why there is no talk of French being a dickhead.


* Hastings was supposed to fly home this weekend (Again) and so far has managed again to get out of doing so (third time)

Thats disappointing. All his talk of turning himself around, then he acts like this. If he has a contract he should honour it and only get out with an agreement from both sides.

If he does a runner I don't think he'll be signing with WT. When you have a top lawyer as your president and we've had 2 high profile walk outs, we can't benefit from this behaviour

If this story is true then signing Hastings would be a mistake

I agree. There's one potential mindset of "winning at all costs" and that may involve singing up bad eggs for the sole purpose of winning matches.

However Tigers in particular have been burnt several times by personal-brand footballers who are just looking for that next big score. Whilst I can recognise that any individual will look to do what is best for themselves, when you are developing any business, you need to anchor your team with a bulk of long-term team contributors.

If you only sign folks looking for top dollar or highest personal convenience, you are almost guaranteed they'll chase that top dollar again when their contract is next up, which in rugby league terms will be 2-4 seasons. And it may be naive to hope to find team-minded footballers in 2021, but you won't find sustained success without it.

This is particularly true for WT who don't quite have the deep pockets or private sponsorship capacity (at least not that we are aware of) of other clubs. And even a huge selling point for players - sustained success - puts you at a different disadvantage where you might no longer be able to pay the total money the players are demanding. So again it's in your interests to have footballers who are club-minded as well as personally-minded.

All that being a big rant from me, the behaviours of a player at their current club are a very good predictor of their future behaviour. It would be naive to think they'll change their stripes (pun intended) because your club is "different" to them. It may end up that way, but don't bet on it.

If Hastings is trying to wriggle out of his Wigan contract, even for the benefit of Wests Tigers, I am absolutely against it as a predictor of his future with us, a mid-tier success-starved club. And why I most respect any player, even potentially a Storm or Roosters player (when it's a much easier decision), who chooses to remain and develop their club when more money is on offer elsewhere.

Jo O wasn't one of those type signings .....wasn't wanted by his club or his previous SOO coach .....????
 
@elderslie_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1311214) said:
Peter Peter's has been quoted as saying Manly will get the wooden spoon this year without Turbo and no hooker in the club

The sunday telegraph had them coming 8th, and us 14th
 
Just caught this YouTube clip of Denan Kemp analysis on Edene Gebbie and some of his Queensland Cup highlights that some might be interested in.

WARNING, it is Kemp, so there may be occasional swearing.

https://youtu.be/myEi1r498is
 

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