Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[sleeve]

I expect a lot of backlash from this post.

We definitely need another centre, with speed, alternatively move Laurie to centre and get a good fullback, i think Laurie is good, but not good enough long term.Maybe he can play a role like Turbo, playing eyes up football. Our forward pack is young ,and one of the most promising in the comp, but needs a tough leader. I think AD will be our new 14 as he can play numerous positions. The dead wood in 1st gde and the cup side must go, and the best talent from Flegg or flogged from other sides brought in. This is the future as i see it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

 

[sleeve]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

All sides have a player or two, who drop a ball, don't play it correctly, can't catch a high kick, does one arm or weak tackles, thats football , they pat him on the head and get on with the game. But when you are trying your hardest, and those same players do the same thing every weak, it must cause your head to drop, and think whats the use?
This is when it;s the coaches fault, those players should be dropped, and they wern't. Thats one of our biggest problems.

 

[tony soprano]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

He lost his soul trading gibs, beau and fafita for blaire. A move Flanagan definitely benefited from.

Deference now is we have no good juniors

 

[TheDaBoss]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

He lost his soul trading gibs, beau and fafita for blaire. A move Flanagan definitely benefited from.

Deference now is we have no good juniors

No good juniors now?

U been watching reserve and flegg mate?

 

[tony soprano]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

He lost his soul trading gibs, beau and fafita for blaire. A move Flanagan definitely benefited from.

Deference now is we have no good juniors

No good juniors now?

U been watching reserve and flegg mate?

I Mean pushing for immediate first grade

 

[sleeve]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

He lost his soul trading gibs, beau and fafita for blaire. A move Flanagan definitely benefited from.

Deference now is we have no good juniors

No good juniors now?

U been watching reserve and flegg mate?

I Mean pushing for immediate first grade

Kei,Cooper, and even Hoffman offer more then some of our undropable backs.

 

[Spartan117]

The Weekend against the best club of the last Decade + was heartbreaking...

The failures of this club have been over decade in the making.

Attitude
Talent and Skills
Club perception by non Tigers fans

This impacts our Recruitment and retention.

Madge/Hartigan/ Lee H are doing great to turn this ship around. Sheens and Noddy will help.

We need to Hold our Nerve and be patient.

The CEO is into year 6 I think. Give him another 2000 days? What’s his freight?

Im mixed about Pascoe ( Hi Justin, I know u read these)

Were one of few profitable clubs and credit where its due there.

Im still dirty that somehow Pascoe and the club got pinged for he robbie deal in light of what appears to be other clubs doing the same to their players.

 

[Lauren]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Madge has already said that it’s not about winning it’s all about the performance.

It all boils down to standards for me and the question needs to be asked why players look like they're unable to improve or lowering theirs - in individual actions, behaviours, performances - when coming here.
Is it also a factor which drives potential recruits away?
It's what defines the club/team more than anything if you ask me.

 

[sleeve]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Did Bellyache really want TT, or was it another unfounded rumour? I think he had far better prospects then TT.

 

[the_third]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

Matt Groat is up there with one of the worst things he did. Kid was in waaaaay too early and was destroyed

 

[cktiger]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it

He lost his soul trading gibs, beau and fafita for blaire. A move Flanagan definitely benefited from.

Deference now is we have no good juniors

No good juniors now?

U been watching reserve and flegg mate?

I Mean pushing for immediate first grade

Kei,Cooper, and even Hoffman offer more then some of our undropable backs.

Some of our backs are duds but that lot aren't any better at present (they may be in the future).

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Did Bellyache really want TT, or was it another unfounded rumour? I think he had far better prospects then TT.

Reimis looks like a world beater now whereas he was just an average Joe at Canterbury. It’s a culture of the highest standard. Seeing nil sign of these standards at Wests.

 

[The_Patriot]

So many pages on and on about how good or bad players are.

Come on lads you all know the real issue is the **senior playing group actually playing to their ability**.

Wanting to play for the coach.

Being professional athletes.

Buying in to the culture change.

It just isnt happening and the only real solution is to remove the coach or to remove the players.

Trying to say who is a keeper and who isnt in amongst this mess is just ridiculous.

Whats more the whole Hartigan conversation is aids!

Hartigan, Madge, Pascoe etc are a collective. Its not 3 guys each doing their own thing. They have their roles but they are a collective, each doing their things but working together and supporting each other.

 

[cochise]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

I was gonna say he definitely won more than 6 games. Not to mention the players loved him. Wonder how many of our players “love” playing under madge

Not all them apparently

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it


Matt Groat is up there with one of the worst things he did. Kid was in waaaaay too early and was destroyed

Very true. Really did ruin him

 

[Don Kershane]

The top 8 teams have one thing in common=at least one genuine athlete in their team

Eg . Tedesco
Many Panthers
Gutherson
JAC
Johnston
Turbo
Lomax
Mulitalo

Oates would be the only player in the bottom half

 

[Demps]


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How do you have internal discussions with external players?