Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[pawsandclaws1]

I just watched this 6min clip on NRL on Nine 100% footy and just makes me feel sick..
(The insane Premiership-winning team that deserted the tigers is what the article is called)
Gallen and Gus were the main talkers and just listening to them basically say we are the most least preferred club to players and we are in a world of pain... But I can only agree with them because its true... hard to say but it's true.
Our roster is bog average and we CANNOT attract quality players like every other club so something has to change and change urgently.

I understand we are building from the ground up and foundations have been set but at the end of the day a footy club is based on on field results and we clearly lack them.

If the perception is no one wants to come here what do we do to change this as it is a MASSIVE problem.. Even the 2 teams below us on the ladder can attract Top Line players.. I have been on board with Madge and co for a while now but when you hear straight from Ex-players mouths that no one wants to come here, you need to take notice as they are not gaining anything out of there comments.

Do we change coaches ?
Do we buy let Sheens take over recruitment?
Do we need to replace some of the top dogs?

IDK but we sure need some positive news ASAP. :man-shrugging:

Although the board are one of the main issues, they can't be removed. We are pretty much at rock bottom and the only way forward imo is a thorough clean out.

Who remains?

Hartigan is a must keep. I feel like Hartigan is Billy Beane in Moneyball. Putting the best team together he can but getting screwed over by the A's managers selections and game plan.
Sheens will be crucial to any chance we have in success

Of the players? Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Simpkin, Seyfarth form a core of young players who seem to give a crap that we can build around. They stay

Who goes?
Pascoe has to go. Tiny profits aside, he's a dud.
Madge obviously. He's a dud.
All players not mentioned above.

Bring on a CEO with some gravitas, and bring on a coach and a bunch of good assistants who understand rugby league in 2021.

Completely agree but what coach is available that can help us ? Morris? The worst part for us is in theory it’s an easy fix but to actually make it happen is damn near impossible hence the reason we still have madge and Pascoe and a big average playing group

I believe John Morris and Sheens together would see an almost immediate improvement.

Do u see Morris wanting to come here and ruin whatever respect he has in the coaching world though that’s the big question! I strongly believe we can become a great club but not a lot of coaches/players want to come and ruin there careers. It’s hard to admit that this club I’ve loved forever is in a position where I can truly say we are in all sorts but it’s true. Jesus himself would struggle to get us out of the rut we have been in for the past 10 years!!

I think Morris would come here for sure. He knows Sheens, and I believe they'd work well together. It would be worth asking the question.

Only because he has nowhere else to go

Morris is articulate, a smart operator and already has two and a bit years in NRL coaching. He has a degree and has comms skills.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Good players don’t concede 8 tries in the space of about 25 mins

So going by that logic let's just throw out all our best young talent because they got flogged? That's awful logic. You'd be happy to get rid of Stefano, Laurie and Seyfarth? Overall our roster is not good enough but these young guys have promise and potential and need to be kept together, and we need to move on the other duds and sign good players in their place.

Trust me I'm not saying we are a good team just that we do have young talent that has been brought in by hartigan.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

Kepaoa is a centre and I believe he will be very good for us. He has a lot in common with Manu but with more pace.

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

 

[Demps]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

 

[hobbo1]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Madge has already said that it’s not about winning it’s all about the performance.

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

Kepaoa is a centre and I believe he will be very good for us. He has a lot in common with Manu but with more pace.

We signed him so Roosters could get SBW, probably got a few bucks to sweeten the deal too.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team. Look keep the faith all you optimists, doesn’t mean we all have to.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team.

A game away doesn't mean anything, we missed finals every year he was here and at the same time he screwed over our salary cap and club for many years after he left. He was a failure as a coach here same as every coach we've had besides Sheens

All I'm saying is that we have a good young core and hartigan has signed some good players... not that we are an amazing club, we still suck and there's HEAPS of issues to be fixed

 

[Demps]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We can all agree the weekend was not acceptable but why are we getting the crap kicked out of us but nothing about the titans?
The sea-eagles scored 48 points in 1 half more than the storm scored on us.
The titans are meant to be a top 4 side compare their team to ours,
phillip-sami QLD Rep
jarrod-wallace QLD Rep
tino-faasuamaleaui QLD Rep/Aus Rep
david-fifita QLD Rep/Aus Rep
tyrone-peachey NSW Rep
moeaki-fotuaika QLD Rep

It was the nature of our defeat, defeat in detail. There is no coming back from that one for Maguire.

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team.

A game away doesn't mean anything, we missed finals every year he was here and at the same time he screwed over our salary cap and club for many years after he left. He was a failure as a coach here same as every coach we've had besides Sheens

All I'm saying is that we have a good young core and hartigan has signed some good players... not that we are an amazing club, we still suck and there's HEAPS of issues to be fixed

Agree there’s a decent young core, senior leaders is our issue and the current management just don’t have a solution. Hopefully Sheens has a clue.

 

[Needaname]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

In contrast though. The sharks were in the same position last year as we are this year.
A lot of new faces were blooded. New Lock, Hooker, Fullback and a stack of their reserve grade players pushed through last year as well.
They seemed to travel alright though but their Achilles heal was their defence.
In fact I’m seeing almost comparable parallels in every area.

 

[JC99]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team.

A game away doesn't mean anything, we missed finals every year he was here and at the same time he screwed over our salary cap and club for many years after he left. He was a failure as a coach here same as every coach we've had besides Sheens

All I'm saying is that we have a good young core and hartigan has signed some good players... not that we are an amazing club, we still suck and there's HEAPS of issues to be fixed

Agree there’s a decent young core, senior leaders is our issue and the current management just don’t have a solution. Hopefully Sheens has a clue.

We need some proper leaders and more consistent players, plus better defensive coaching

 

[Demps]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.

 

[BAGNF05]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team.

A game away doesn't mean anything, we missed finals every year he was here and at the same time he screwed over our salary cap and club for many years after he left. He was a failure as a coach here same as every coach we've had besides Sheens

All I'm saying is that we have a good young core and hartigan has signed some good players... not that we are an amazing club, we still suck and there's HEAPS of issues to be fixed

Agree there’s a decent young core, senior leaders is our issue and the current management just don’t have a solution. Hopefully Sheens has a clue.

We need some proper leaders and more consistent players, plus better defensive coaching

Leaders demand consistency and proper attitude in defense, it all comes back to leaders.

 

[Demps]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad.

Busy last weekend?

Just because we got flogged doesn't change the fact that those guys are good players - our issue last weekend was defensive structure and there's more than 5 blokes on the field... plus majority of them are very young and still developing. Hartigan has worked towards the future

Blore has been effective off the bench but held back by injury, Kepaoa has plenty of raw potential and is what, 21? Not saying he's a gun right now but it's very harsh to call him a fail at this point in time. The young guys will play when they're ready, they won't all work out but we've got a lot of young talent around at the moment. Just needs to be used correctly

Then the CEO needs to send out a video to members and fans explaining that his strategy is not to win now, see how that goes down.

Of course the goal is to win now but instead of just doing what Ivan did and getting bandaid fixes that will screw us over in the future the club is actually trying to build for the future as well? Would you rather Ivan come back and sign players like he did last time?

We were a game away from semi finals when he was here, not looking like an u6’s team.

A game away doesn't mean anything, we missed finals every year he was here and at the same time he screwed over our salary cap and club for many years after he left. He was a failure as a coach here same as every coach we've had besides Sheens

All I'm saying is that we have a good young core and hartigan has signed some good players... not that we are an amazing club, we still suck and there's HEAPS of issues to be fixed

Agree there’s a decent young core, senior leaders is our issue and the current management just don’t have a solution. Hopefully Sheens has a clue.

We need some proper leaders and more consistent players, plus better defensive coaching

8 Twal
9 Liddle/Simpkin
10 Tamou - 1 more year
11 Seyfarth
12 TPJ
13 Finucane

14 Luciano or Blore
15 Mikaele
16 Stefano
17 Offa

18 Garner, new MCK

Stefano takes Tamous sport for 2023 onward and hopefully we have some of the young guns breaking through for the bench to change