Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger5150]

We need two new second rowers and a 13 and probably another centre.

Jury is also out on our hooker

Good one, but 1st of Apr is long gone:blush:
Many people don't watch the game at all, they just hate their straw men targets, otherwise they would remember when he scored an interception try, and outpaced their fastest backs! Arguably he is, with Cook, the fastest NRL hooker!

yeah but his service has been poor and he is ggood for a momentum killing error or two as well

Its almost like you ....watched the game

 

[Tiger5150]

We need two new second rowers and a 13 and probably another centre.

I agree

But 2 centres.

Cos Douihei is a 6 ?

We got the pommy guy coming might be ok

Gildart is an international centre he will be ok for us

England is like the 4th of 5th best team behind Oz, NZ, Tonga and Lebanon ??

Before criticising players that never played in the NRL (Gildart) or played just a few games (Cini, Mamolo, Blore etc.) I would be happy to give them at least half a season, the same as Fitzhenry, Rankin, Packer, Garner, MCK etc.

YOu just listed 5 players, four of which are proven that they are not first graders and you want to give someone of that ability half a season to stink it up?

Blore is a regular first grader, Mamaulo is yet to be seen and we saw what Cini did and more importantly have seen him in reggies.

 

[BAGNF05]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

Maybe he means at Bingo at Noosa RSL

 

[twentyforty]

One thing I’m pretty sure of is we will not sign Finucane. The 29yo who is asking 4 years at $800k does not fit with our current recruitment philosophy imo. The media have been doing a huge sell job to wedge in the dominant buying motive of his “leadership” value. I’m confident that Hartigan, Sheens and Madge are aware that WT can’t buy leadership, we’ve seen a few examples during the last decade. Interestingly,

Tamou mentioned a few of the young guys were doing the urging at halftime in Madge’s absence. That’s where the leaders are, who need to be encouraged.

Their current strategy isn’t working and needs to be thrown in the bin. Dale is exactly who we need and to pay overs for blind Freddy can see that unfortunately you don’t buy back bone with cheap discards no body wants and Madge not good enough to coach their meritocracy out of them

There's no quick fix, and paying overs for older players doesn't guarantee youre buying leadership. While it may be a skill, leadership is born from desire and belief in the group's goals. Our future strong leaders will come from our juniors who are inspired by the WT story, not from players transitioning to retirement. Let the Broncos have him and we'll stay the course.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Anyone have any signing suggestions and/or rumours?

Shhhhhhhh!
See what you bloody did!

 

[sleeve]

We all have different opinions on players performance, and ability . Talk of Liddle ,or Simkin missing tackles and errors, of Lucys tackles and others. Brooks gets hammered for reasons i cannot understand and Twal as well . The hookers and many of our forwards are very young, we would be unfair to compare them to seasoned players. But these players give 100% in every game, and to me ,thats what matters.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

Tamou while on the field tried hard. Garner missed a couple but made many and played well. Brooks tried hard and played well.


brooks wasn't named above but he played well as he has done for quite a few weeks now.

Garner, gets a pass. He's improved this year

Tamou 3 runs for 26 meters (14M off kick returns...) over 4 seconds average play the ball. That's a low bar for a pass mark.

Tamou is not there purely for stats. He's coming toward the end of a fine career. He's a leader and hopefully his influence will rub off on the others.

 

[hobbo1]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

Tamou while on the field tried hard. Garner missed a couple but made many and played well. Brooks tried hard and played well.


brooks wasn't named above but he played well as he has done for quite a few weeks now.

Garner, gets a pass. He's improved this year

Tamou 3 runs for 26 meters (14M off kick returns...) over 4 seconds average play the ball. That's a low bar for a pass mark.

Tamou is not there purely for stats. He's coming toward the end of a fine career. He's a leader and hopefully his influence will rub off on the others.

Tamou is king of the plodders ..
It sure is rubbing off ..

 

[cktiger]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

 

[sleeve]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Thats why we have bought Hastings, Brooks has been very good, who do you suggest is better on the market? Yes Laurie i doubt will be our long term fullback, but again, who do you suggest we Buy? I'm sure Hartigan will snare someone, they are aware of these problems.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

Tamou while on the field tried hard. Garner missed a couple but made many and played well. Brooks tried hard and played well.

Think garner injury bothering him no longer beast mode.

If they can’t play injured need to be replaced

I wonder whether he was forced to play injured?

 

[twentyforty]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Mitchell said much the same thing..unsettled spine. You get that during a rebuild. I think the Broncos May struggle with recruitment as well.

 

[Needaname]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Great argument, surely.
Open problem is Jai Arrow signed with South Sydney on 6th of January 2020.

At that stage Souths had a spine of;
Adam Reynolds, Damien Cook and Cody Walker with most likely Adam Doueihi as fullback. Unless he got wind that Latrell was signing there a couple of weeks later.

3 out of 4 is reasonably settled i suppose.

The spine he would of been referring to was.

Hooker: Billy Walters or Moses MBye.
Halfback: Brooks; yes I know what you think of him but far from an unsettled option in that position, went into 2020 following 2x player of the year awards for the tigers.
Five Eight: Marshall; Club legend and was entering 2020 in good form, solid lock in that position.
Fullback: Corey Thompson. Certainty to play there prior to signing Doueihi which wasn’t discussed until after Souths signed Latrell.

So for him to say the spine wasn’t settled is a bit of cover up I think.
I believe he wanted to say he just didn’t rate us a spine or as a team, but held back.

 

[happy_tiger]

Can someone with the skills i don't possess, please tell us the players we have brought from Melbourne, and the success rate.?

There has only been about 6 and to my mind only 1 of them has had success at WT. Harry Grant.
I might add, his circumstances were different weren’t they.


More interestingly and I would bow to those who have a greater memory for these types of things than me - can anyone provide an example of **any** Storm player who has left the Storm that has been an absolute **standout** at another club (with the obvious exception of Cronk and GI - who would be successes just about anywhere) ??
I reckon the list is much longer of players who subsequently disappeared..... happy to be proven wrong...

Folau .....Hoffman ......Proctor ........McLean

 

[gallagher]

Can someone with the skills i don't possess, please tell us the players we have brought from Melbourne, and the success rate.?

There has only been about 6 and to my mind only 1 of them has had success at WT. Harry Grant.
I might add, his circumstances were different weren’t they.


More interestingly and I would bow to those who have a greater memory for these types of things than me - can anyone provide an example of **any** Storm player who has left the Storm that has been an absolute **standout** at another club (with the obvious exception of Cronk and GI - who would be successes just about anywhere) ??
I reckon the list is much longer of players who subsequently disappeared..... happy to be proven wrong...

Folau .....Hoffman ......Proctor ........McLean

Tohu Harris goes alright.

 

[hsvjones]

bit of a quite week all over the NRL considering its the bye week for clubs. I was thinking there would be a lot of moves happening this week and not just for us. Maybe the Broncos are waiting on Ikin to start before making decisions. As a club this would be a great time as it gives them time to get the player in and set up before the next game..
Hope we can offload Walters and Mybe to help create some spots and cap space.

 

[cktiger]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Great argument, surely.
Open problem is Jai Arrow signed with South Sydney on 6th of January 2020.

At that stage Souths had a spine of;
Adam Reynolds, Damien Cook and Cody Walker with most likely Adam Doueihi as fullback. Unless he got wind that Latrell was signing there a couple of weeks later.

3 out of 4 is reasonably settled i suppose.

The spine he would of been referring to was.

Hooker: Billy Walters or Moses MBye.
Halfback: Brooks; yes I know what you think of him but far from an unsettled option in that position, went into 2020 following 2x player of the year awards for the tigers.
Five Eight: Marshall; Club legend and was entering 2020 in good form, solid lock in that position.
Fullback: Corey Thompson. Certainty to play there prior to signing Doueihi which wasn’t discussed until after Souths signed Latrell.

So for him to say the spine wasn’t settled is a bit of cover up I think.
I believe he wanted to say he just didn’t rate us a spine or as a team, but held back.

He was talking in general terms but his point still rings true.
Players prefer to move to a team with a decent spine (not necessarily the best in all positions) that will spearhead the rest of the guys.
If we can't develop one we need to buy one... like the Broncos and Bulldogs are trying to do right now.

 

[JD Tiger]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

Because we have to do something... We have waited 10 + Years and if we were to get him we will be getting others.

Our forwards are good and getting better. We need two quality outside backs and a decent partner for Brooks. Honestly, what do you think Finucane is going to do for us? Make 65 tackles on the left edge, over rule the refs bad calls and then run 360 metres for 6 tries?

He would bring the number 1 thing we lack - LEADERSHIP.. On and off the field.
Agree we do have some great young forwards but there current leadership is from Packer and hate to say it but Tamou.. If you think they are the best leaders for these guys moving forward we are in for a lot more pain IMO.

As others have said, at the right price, and a short contract maybe. But don't expect a player from Melbourne with the best structures in the game, and champion players around him, to perform the same at another club.

Of course the right price... 3 years at 600-700k with 3rd year CO would be a great pickup. I don't expect him to turn the club around instantly but it would be a great start.

But there's zero chance he signs for us on that. There'd be half a dozen clubs offering him that, and we're the least appealing. 3 years would have to be guaranteed with an option on the fourth and we'd be looking at minimum 700k

You have absolutely no idea of that being true, neither who he is talking to, what the offer needs to be and the value of that offer.

What balmainboy said though is a pretty fair assumption. We see in the public eye the amounts of some contracts and salaries, and though we don't have a way to 100% verify them, they led me to believe that the us signing Finucane for that amount would be no chance.

I don't think he'd come at all (atm) unless we massively overpaid him, and even then it'd be a maybe.

 

[Tigertragic83]

We all have different opinions on players performance, and ability . Talk of Liddle ,or Simkin missing tackles and errors, of Lucys tackles and others. Brooks gets hammered for reasons i cannot understand and Twal as well . The hookers and many of our forwards are very young, we would be unfair to compare them to seasoned players. But these players give 100% in every game, and to me ,thats what matters.

Anyone criticising Alex twal on here should have a look at his stats for the year. He's quite clearly one of our best forwards. He needs to find an offload. But tell me this...If you were Alex twal, would you trust the rabble of this team to catch it?

Maybe I am alone in this thought. But our issue doesn't stem from skill, it's attitude. Hunger, drive and commitment. Something you can't train into people. Either you want it or you don't. And I would dare argue that a lot of players here don't.

You only needed to watch the warm-up of both teams to know that Melbourne storm was going to carve up. This apathy that infects all the tigers players is like mould. It's hard to define and hard to get rid off

The Luke brooks bashing has gotta stop though. If half the other pea hearts in this team tackled like brooks we would be in a better place.

I know a little about elite sports. You can't train hunger to compete. Some people just have the instincts to win and often than not the other half are just followers. Clearly douhei has that hunger, and he was missed last week. Maguire response was perfect tbh. It's on the players to find it. Maguire can't find it for them

Since this is a recruitment thread. I'm confused as to why Dale finucane suddenly fixes our woes. Second he leaves Melbourne his hunger to win will disappear, and will become another plodder.

 

[avocadoontoast]

We all have different opinions on players performance, and ability . Talk of Liddle ,or Simkin missing tackles and errors, of Lucys tackles and others. Brooks gets hammered for reasons i cannot understand and Twal as well . The hookers and many of our forwards are very young, we would be unfair to compare them to seasoned players. But these players give 100% in every game, and to me ,thats what matters.

Anyone criticising Alex twal on here should have a look at his stats for the year. He's quite clearly one of our best forwards. He needs to find an offload. But tell me this...I'd you were Alex twal, would you trust the rabble of this team to catch it?

Maybe I am alone in this thought. But our issue doesn't stem from skill, it's attitude. Hunger, drive and commitment. Something you can't train into people. Either you want it or you don't. And I would dare argue that a lot of players here don't.

You only needed to watch the warm-up of both teams to know that Melbourne storm was going to carve up. This apathy that infects all the tigers players is like mould. It's hard to define and hard to get rid off

The Luke brooks bashing had gotta stop though. If half the other pea hearts in this team tackled like brooks we would be in a better place.

I know a little about elite sports. You can't train hunger to compete. Some people just have the instincts to win and often than not the other half are just followers. Clearly douhei has that hunger, and he was missed last week. Maguire response was perfect tbh. It's on the players to find it. MGuire can't find it for them

Since this is a recruitment thread. I'm confused as to why Dale finucane suddenly fixes our woes. Second he leaves Melbourne his hunger to win will disappear, and will become another plodder.

Twal is an honest toiler. He tries hard and gets through a lot of work but he doesn't make much of an impact in defence and he doesn't bend the line with the ball. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't get rid of him, but he's just a player.

I've been a huge critic of Brooks but in the last month he's been the least of our problems.