Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Needaname]

Liam Martin is a guy I’ll be going for aggressively, there’s your young Finucane

When you say "I'll be going for aggressively"...does that mean you are going to pay the $$$ for him and donate him to Our Club? :hugging_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

Hell by mowing lawns at Penrith park because he’s got 2 more years there. ?

The way his playing, Penrith would be mowing his lawns.

 

[BZN]

If you speak to supporters of most clubs you will hear the same comments about their club as we do on here "Nobody wants to come to us" "Why do we only get the cast offs" "Why are we paying player X 750k he is not worth half that" "They only come here to get a pension".
Probably the only clubs that dont have that problem would be Storm Pamfers and Rorters.We just want to believe that it is only us that feel that way

Yes...and that negativity will soon be replaced with Positivity :+1:

 

[cochise]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

 

[BZN]

If you speak to supporters of most clubs you will hear the same comments about their club as we do on here "Nobody wants to come to us" "Why do we only get the cast offs" "Why are we paying player X 750k he is not worth half that" "They only come here to get a pension".
Probably the only clubs that dont have that problem would be Storm Pamfers and Rorters.We just want to believe that it is only us that feel that way

There’s not many clubs who can’t attract at least one star player though. Knights Ponga, Dogs JAC, Titans Fifita, Who’s our star?

Luke Brooks :ghost: :facepunch:

 

[BAGNF05]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

So who would he rather Dale or Tevita?

 

[cochise]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

So who would he rather Dale or Tevita?

At this moment in time that is a question I don't know the answer to lol

 

[BZN]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

No I dont feel he was a panic buy @BAGNF05, more like a bloke that hasn't yet shown the level of skill on a consistent basis for Us, we knew he had.
And there could be many reasons for that...personal life/family problems could be one reason.

 

[BAGNF05]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

No I dont feel he was a panic buy @BAGNF05, more like a bloke that hasn't yet shown the level of skill on a consistent basis for Us, we knew he had.
And there could be many reasons for that...personal life/family problems could be one reason.

But two clubs let him go before the Raiders due to issues mate, he’s a serial problem, this when he left Newcastle,

“ “Culturally, we have made a decision and made a bit of a stand for what we think is acceptable at our place.

“I know it’s a hard one to pull the trigger on and possibly, it mightn’t make our team any better but we think for the long run, it will be better for our club.”

The breakdown in the relationship between Leilua and the club can be traced back to Stone’s public criticism of the centre in The Daily Telegraph back in February after he returned to pre-season training from the Four Nations tournament a few weeks prior badly out of shape and weighing 111kg.

At the time, Stone fired a rocket at Leilua because of his poor attitude to training and suggested he was no certainty to start the season in the NRL.

Around the same time, Leilua also had a run-in at training with senior player Beau Scott, who accused him of not putting in.”

It’s rinse repeat if we sign TPJ.

 

[BAGNF05]

If you speak to supporters of most clubs you will hear the same comments about their club as we do on here "Nobody wants to come to us" "Why do we only get the cast offs" "Why are we paying player X 750k he is not worth half that" "They only come here to get a pension".
Probably the only clubs that dont have that problem would be Storm Pamfers and Rorters.We just want to believe that it is only us that feel that way

There’s not many clubs who can’t attract at least one star player though. Knights Ponga, Dogs JAC, Titans Fifita, Who’s our star?

Luke Brooks :ghost: :facepunch:

Sadly I agree ?

 

[BZN]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

Good post Cochise : apart from the 2005 GF, I feel Hartigan is the next best thing to happen to Our Club.
Then when The Sheenius gets here it'll be all systems go imo.

 

[cochise]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

Good post Cochise : apart from the 2005 GF, I feel Hartigan is the next best thing to happen to Our Club.
Then when The Sheenius gets here it'll be all systems go imo.

What the part about me being arrogant and unwilling to trusts others opinions? lol

 

[BZN]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

No I dont feel he was a panic buy @BAGNF05, more like a bloke that hasn't yet shown the level of skill on a consistent basis for Us, we knew he had.
And there could be many reasons for that...personal life/family problems could be one reason.

But two clubs let him go before the Raiders due to issues mate, he’s a serial problem, this when he left Newcastle,

“ “Culturally, we have made a decision and made a bit of a stand for what we think is acceptable at our place.

“I know it’s a hard one to pull the trigger on and possibly, it mightn’t make our team any better but we think for the long run, it will be better for our club.”

The breakdown in the relationship between Leilua and the club can be traced back to Stone’s public criticism of the centre in The Daily Telegraph back in February after he returned to pre-season training from the Four Nations tournament a few weeks prior badly out of shape and weighing 111kg.

At the time, Stone fired a rocket at Leilua because of his poor attitude to training and suggested he was no certainty to start the season in the NRL.

Around the same time, Leilua also had a run-in at training with senior player Beau Scott, who accused him of not putting in.”

It’s rinse repeat if we sign TPJ.

You've raised some very valid points bagnf05.

 

[BZN]

If you speak to supporters of most clubs you will hear the same comments about their club as we do on here "Nobody wants to come to us" "Why do we only get the cast offs" "Why are we paying player X 750k he is not worth half that" "They only come here to get a pension".
Probably the only clubs that dont have that problem would be Storm Pamfers and Rorters.We just want to believe that it is only us that feel that way

There’s not many clubs who can’t attract at least one star player though. Knights Ponga, Dogs JAC, Titans Fifita, Who’s our star?

Luke Brooks :ghost: :facepunch:

Sadly I agree ?

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

 

[BZN]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

Would it though. For form at the time and the limited contract span the club was smart with this one. Sure it went a bit pear shaped but with the information on hand at the time it was a good signing.

Disagree strongly, has had drama follow him throughout his career, can’t keep the weight off, struck up a nice combo with Rapana for a year or two but on the balance of his career he’s been a disappointment.

Ricky was off him for discipline, Wests Tigers need discipline. We keep signing guys thinking we can change them. We can’t.

See I get signings like BJ and Roberts, our salary cap was still in a mess and we were targeting youth. The signings of both BJ and Roberts were a calculated risk to win now that wouldn't damage our future. They didn't work out but I understand the reasoning.

We paid good coin for BJ, I’d rather see us bring in a guy with some leadership to change a culture that is clearly lacking. We got what we knew we were buying.

JTJ to a lesser extent because he was cheap. But now that it’s failed I can still see us giving him another year. We just don’t learn.

The thing is, especially this year, the BJ signing didn't prevent us from signing someone else. It was a signing with a finite end point if it didn't work out. In the padt we would have still signed him but signed him for 4 years ruining our cap in the process.

He was a gamble to try and get a young squad with its highest paid players playing reserves into the finals last year, while we wait for reinforcements.

I get that logic but his personality is so not what we needed. Would the strong clubs make those sorts of gambles? TPJ is another one, we aren’t maturing in recruiting.

The strong clubs don't take those gambles because they weren't in the position to need to take those gambles. The difference now is we are not gambling our future which we have done in the past, that in itself is a sign of being more mature in our recruitment. The fact we are trying to build from the youth is another, the no longer bowing to the pressure from players and managers is another.

I am arrogant and someone that trusts my knowledge and opinion of football more than pretty much anyone elses. I will change my opinion, when presented with a strong case to do so, but there are not many people who can convince me to do that. I respect and trust Hartigan, and would be willing to defer my opinion to him in most situations. I really believe he is setting up the processes to get us out of the mess we have been in for a decade.

Good post Cochise : apart from the 2005 GF, I feel Hartigan is the next best thing to happen to Our Club.
Then when The Sheenius gets here it'll be all systems go imo.

What the part about me being arrogant and unwilling to trusts others opinions? lol

I'll use the words of some famous bloke.......
and I quote "at this moment in time that is a question I dont know the answer to" :grin: :grin: :grin:
Oops, I forgot the lol :face_palm:

 

[Needaname]

I’m not so sure the BJ tag could be applied to TPJ. I know he is polarising but I truely believe there is a player that wants to be the best he can be for himself and his team. I see a confident player but not one that thinks he doesn’t have work to do and has a desire to continually improve.

This extract from Athletes voice gives some insight. It’s from 2020, and he stated his best mate is lodge so he may not be the best judge of character but he is loyal no denying that.

https://www.athletesvoice.com.au/tevita-pangai-junior-coming-back/2/

 

[jirskyr]

Looks like we **missed out again** and have all this cash to spend and no none wants it...
So does our focus turn to upgrading some of the current guys and promoting development players ??
Its hard been a Tigers supporter and they say there is Ups and Downs.... Just waiting for the Up's as it been 10 years. We are a joke

Missed out on what again?

TPJ but not just him....
It's not a coincidence that we seem to be involved in negotiations with players but they always seem to go elsewhere and its like we are just a bargaining tool. People might not agree or like it but until we actually get a big signing that is what we are.
Its a shame as we have so much potential as a club and have a massive fan base. We are building very well from the ground up and adding a lot of pieces off the field but at the end of the day if you don't win on the field you just don't win.

Where exactly has TPJ gone?

 

[TigerWest]

Looks like we **missed out again** and have all this cash to spend and no none wants it...
So does our focus turn to upgrading some of the current guys and promoting development players ??
Its hard been a Tigers supporter and they say there is Ups and Downs.... Just waiting for the Up's as it been 10 years. We are a joke

Missed out on what again?

TPJ but not just him....
It's not a coincidence that we seem to be involved in negotiations with players but they always seem to go elsewhere and its like we are just a bargaining tool. People might not agree or like it but until we actually get a big signing that is what we are.
Its a shame as we have so much potential as a club and have a massive fan base. We are building very well from the ground up and adding a lot of pieces off the field but at the end of the day if you don't win on the field you just don't win.

But we didn't miss out with TPJ, the Bronc's have not released him YET?

 

[sleeve]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

Mentally tough ones. Rugby League caters to all types of athletes as long as they’ve got the ticker.

Yes getting enough of them is the hard bit. Bulldogs have Josh Jackson but not many helpers and they can't score a try.

Spot on brother. The good sides have 90% of their squad full of em’

And 90% of the top squads have the fastest backlines.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Looks like we **missed out again** and have all this cash to spend and no none wants it...
So does our focus turn to upgrading some of the current guys and promoting development players ??
Its hard been a Tigers supporter and they say there is Ups and Downs.... Just waiting for the Up's as it been 10 years. We are a joke

Missed out on what again?

TPJ but not just him....
It's not a coincidence that we seem to be involved in **negotiations with players but they always seem to go elsewhere** and its like we are just a bargaining tool. People might not agree or like it but until we actually get a big signing that is what we are.
Its a shame as we have so much potential as a club and have a massive fan base. We are building very well from the ground up and adding a lot of pieces off the field but at the end of the day if you don't win on the field you just don't win.

Maumalo...?

Maumalo is a very average signing and what I feared with Maguire remaining as coach.

 

[clontarfkid]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

We haven't panic signed anyone since Cleary did the dirty on Us and skedaddled though.

BJ would count here.

No I dont feel he was a panic buy @BAGNF05, more like a bloke that hasn't yet shown the level of skill on a consistent basis for Us, we knew he had.
And there could be many reasons for that...personal life/family problems could be one reason.

But two clubs let him go before the Raiders due to issues mate, he’s a serial problem, this when he left Newcastle,

“ “Culturally, we have made a decision and made a bit of a stand for what we think is acceptable at our place.

“I know it’s a hard one to pull the trigger on and possibly, it mightn’t make our team any better but we think for the long run, it will be better for our club.”

The breakdown in the relationship between Leilua and the club can be traced back to Stone’s public criticism of the centre in The Daily Telegraph back in February after he returned to pre-season training from the Four Nations tournament a few weeks prior badly out of shape and weighing 111kg.

At the time, Stone fired a rocket at Leilua because of his poor attitude to training and suggested he was no certainty to start the season in the NRL.

Around the same time, Leilua also had a run-in at training with senior player Beau Scott, who accused him of not putting in.”

It’s rinse repeat if we sign TPJ.

You've raised some very valid points bagnf05.

Despite his attitude and management difficulties,BJ performed pretty well on the field for all his ex clubs,almost winning(but ultimately losing)a GF for the raiders just a couple of years ago.He was certainly a handful on the fieldtoo,which is why we bought him
I get the impression that the "Vlandys "game doesnt suit him at his age,and therefore hes accepted that WTs will be his last contract ,and he just cant be bothered to either get fit or make any effort to be competitive..maybe hes been channelling Packer!
Ill be glad when were rid of both of them
I doubt very much a Ficanne wld adopt this attitude,but regardless at 210 NRL games hes close to cooked