Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[NT_Tiger]

I wonder who recently got elected to the NSWRL board..1st name starts with ..P..

I think you might need to help us with some more clues

Peter Beattie is the new ARLC Chairperson I believe

The name Paul ring a bell?

Paul Quasimoto?

 

[happy_tiger]

I wonder who recently got elected to the NSWRL board..1st name starts with ..P..

I think you might need to help us with some more clues

Peter Beattie is the new ARLC Chairperson I believe

The name Paul ring a bell?

Paul Quasimoto?

Paul Simon
Paul Newman
Paul Sironen
Paul Kent
Paul Pisasale

 

[AL The Tiger]

Paul Sironen.

 

[supercoach]

Its all comes down to TPA's and it is such a merkie,grey area. The club is not allowed to facilitate these agreements but everyone knows they do. Uncle Nick goes to a mate he says we will give you the contract to supply product X and you give Teddy a 500g TPA..done deal. The problem is not all clubs have these sorts of people at their disposal. Geographical location comes into play, one team towns can have a advantage, but the bottom line the playing field has become like a mountain rather than a level playing field

 

[phil1986]

I like Paul Kent's notion.
TPA's to go….no need for them now as Salary Cap has increased so much over last 5 years or so. TPA's were originally bought in before the game could "afford" million dollar contracts and to deter players going to UK in times when they had the $$$ to splash around and Rugby.
Now we have the likes Ben Hunt on 1.2 million.
I can't see why the Salary Cap and a capped TPA Club limit (same at every club) cannot be enforced.
Oh wait...there's politics and politis.

No level playing field here.

100%,

In all honesty I think it’s quite simple.

Third parties go, if business’ want to invest money, it goes into directly into a club. It Makes every club stronger and more financially viable.

Whilst Clubs can still only spend the salary cap on players. If club sponsors wish to use players for adds and marketing etc, and the club and player agree, that’s great as all parties benefit from this, but these is no extra cash outside of the cap at any time.

Anything paid at any time outside of the salary cap, is technically cheating.

Much easier to enforce and there are no excuses if you get caught, because the rules are black and white.

 

[beachtiger]

With all this cash the Rorters are splashing about and 4 players taking up nearly 44% of the Sombrero some body there would have to be missing out which hopefully will lead to disgruntled players in the group.We should immediately target Latrell Mitchell and go in with a big offer he is supposedly on a small contract compared to others and appears to be a players of the future .The NRL
need to show some kahoonas here and open an investigation and have the Rorters disclose how they can offer these large contracts and also all clubs should have to disclose there TPA providers and these providers should be verified legitimate before any contracts are registered. ITS OUR GAME AND WE DESERVE TO KNOW

Of course he is on a small contract (same as most of their signings) but a huge TPA.

**Surely they must be over their TPA limit? (Is there one? How much? Maybe one should be introduced).**
Good ol' Rorters - how do they "lie" straight in bed?

This is the problem Russell, there is a TPA limit for those that are "organised by the club" however there is no limit for TPA's that aren't "organised by the club". Problem is that teams like the Roosters and Broncos have that many corporate friends that aren't involved directly with the club and therefore are able to offer TPA's to certain players as a "commercial" agreement. The whole system sucks!!

There is no TPA limits , if player managers can find one for every member in your squad , good luck to you , it's all legal

I can't see why the NRL can't tell us how many players at each club have TPA's or the total amount that TPA's a club has , no privacy is broken at least you know you are say two million worse off when you play another club

And I think that would have an effect on clubs mentally , if a club has 2 million more than every club and won a comp all fans would know and would leave a bitter taste in Politis's , the Thoroughbreds etc mouths after all was said and done

Happy, I know there is no limit to TPA’s arranged from outside the club but I thought the club were able to arrange TPA’s for players up to around $500k, I’m I incorrect in that thinking??

 

[happy_tiger]

Of course he is on a small contract (same as most of their signings) but a huge TPA.

**Surely they must be over their TPA limit? (Is there one? How much? Maybe one should be introduced).**
Good ol' Rorters - how do they "lie" straight in bed?

This is the problem Russell, there is a TPA limit for those that are "organised by the club" however there is no limit for TPA's that aren't "organised by the club". Problem is that teams like the Roosters and Broncos have that many corporate friends that aren't involved directly with the club and therefore are able to offer TPA's to certain players as a "commercial" agreement. The whole system sucks!!

There is no TPA limits , if player managers can find one for every member in your squad , good luck to you , it's all legal

I can't see why the NRL can't tell us how many players at each club have TPA's or the total amount that TPA's a club has , no privacy is broken at least you know you are say two million worse off when you play another club

And I think that would have an effect on clubs mentally , if a club has 2 million more than every club and won a comp all fans would know and would leave a bitter taste in Politis's , the Thoroughbreds etc mouths after all was said and done

Happy, I know there is no limit to TPA’s arranged from outside the club but I thought the club were able to arrange TPA’s for players up to around $500k, I’m I incorrect in that thinking??

The NRL site is saying it can't find that page BT

 

[balmain boy]

Well done to our players selected in the Emerging Junior Blues Squad. I'm really please for young Sironen as I feel he has something to offer our NRL team.

Jacob Liddle (Wests Tigers)
Bayley Sironen (Wests Tigers)
Moses Suli (Wests Tigers)
Alex Twal (Wests Tigers)

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2017/12/19/2018-emerging-blues-squad-named/

Not unless there's 10 injuries or suspensions in first grade…

Gee, we must have some depth in the second row that is yet to be announced!

He's just an ISP player, so every forward in the top 30 would have to be injured/suspended or playing before he could get a shot. Players like Sue, Eisenhuth, Twal, Lawrence, Marsters, McQueen, Aloiai, Rochow, Taylor, Matulino would all have to be unavailable before someone like Sirro 'may' be eligible for a call-up. Might even be development players like McIntyre before him

 

[jirskyr]

I like Paul Kent's notion.
TPA's to go….no need for them now as Salary Cap has increased so much over last 5 years or so. TPA's were originally bought in before the game could "afford" million dollar contracts and to deter players going to UK in times when they had the $$$ to splash around and Rugby.
Now we have the likes Ben Hunt on 1.2 million.
I can't see why the Salary Cap and a capped TPA Club limit (same at every club) cannot be enforced.
Oh wait...there's politics and politis.

No level playing field here.

100%,

In all honesty I think it’s quite simple.

Third parties go, if business’ want to invest money, it goes into directly into a club. It Makes every club stronger and more financially viable.

Whilst Clubs can still only spend the salary cap on players. If club sponsors wish to use players for adds and marketing etc, and the club and player agree, that’s great as all parties benefit from this, but these is no extra cash outside of the cap at any time.

Anything paid at any time outside of the salary cap, is technically cheating.

Much easier to enforce and there are no excuses if you get caught, because the rules are black and white.

Still restraint of trade isn't it? You cannot outlaw players earning money from their own brand or representation, and you have to prove a link between the sponsor and the club to decline a TPA.

I'd be all for dumping TPAs but you'd be setting yourself up for legal challenge by the RLPA.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Well done to our players selected in the Emerging Junior Blues Squad. I'm really please for young Sironen as I feel he has something to offer our NRL team.

Jacob Liddle (Wests Tigers)
Bayley Sironen (Wests Tigers)
Moses Suli (Wests Tigers)
Alex Twal (Wests Tigers)

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2017/12/19/2018-emerging-blues-squad-named/

Not unless there's 10 injuries or suspensions in first grade…

Gee, we must have some depth in the second row that is yet to be announced!

He's just an ISP player, so every forward in the top 30 would have to be injured/suspended or playing before he could get a shot. Players like Sue, Eisenhuth, Twal, Lawrence, Marsters, McQueen, Aloiai, Rochow, Taylor, Matulino would all have to be unavailable before someone like Sirro 'may' be eligible for a call-up. Might even be development players like McIntyre before him

I see enough him to suggest he has something to offer the NRL team. A lower contract is probably the incentive he needs to kick on. His few appearances in the NRL were solid and a good base upon which to build. I read he considers Lawrence to be a mentor so let's get behind him. It is the improvement in the borderline players which will make the difference. As for Marsters, fine in the centres but Sironen imo has performed better in the second row especially his defensive technique.

 

[beachtiger]

This is the problem Russell, there is a TPA limit for those that are "organised by the club" however there is no limit for TPA's that aren't "organised by the club". Problem is that teams like the Roosters and Broncos have that many corporate friends that aren't involved directly with the club and therefore are able to offer TPA's to certain players as a "commercial" agreement. The whole system sucks!!

There is no TPA limits , if player managers can find one for every member in your squad , good luck to you , it's all legal

I can't see why the NRL can't tell us how many players at each club have TPA's or the total amount that TPA's a club has , no privacy is broken at least you know you are say two million worse off when you play another club

And I think that would have an effect on clubs mentally , if a club has 2 million more than every club and won a comp all fans would know and would leave a bitter taste in Politis's , the Thoroughbreds etc mouths after all was said and done

Happy, I know there is no limit to TPA’s arranged from outside the club but I thought the club were able to arrange TPA’s for players up to around $500k, I’m I incorrect in that thinking??

The NRL site is saying it can't find that page BT

Haha that seems about right!

 

[phil1986]

I like Paul Kent's notion.
TPA's to go….no need for them now as Salary Cap has increased so much over last 5 years or so. TPA's were originally bought in before the game could "afford" million dollar contracts and to deter players going to UK in times when they had the $$$ to splash around and Rugby.
Now we have the likes Ben Hunt on 1.2 million.
I can't see why the Salary Cap and a capped TPA Club limit (same at every club) cannot be enforced.
Oh wait...there's politics and politis.

No level playing field here.

100%,

In all honesty I think it’s quite simple.

Third parties go, if business’ want to invest money, it goes into directly into a club. It Makes every club stronger and more financially viable.

Whilst Clubs can still only spend the salary cap on players. If club sponsors wish to use players for adds and marketing etc, and the club and player agree, that’s great as all parties benefit from this, but these is no extra cash outside of the cap at any time.

Anything paid at any time outside of the salary cap, is technically cheating.

Much easier to enforce and there are no excuses if you get caught, because the rules are black and white.

Still restraint of trade isn't it? You cannot outlaw players earning money from their own brand or representation, and you have to prove a link between the sponsor and the club to decline a TPA.

I'd be all for dumping TPAs but you'd be setting yourself up for legal challenge by the RLPA.

You are probably right, the legal battle will go on for years.

 

[Balmainian]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters 🐓 in round One!!!

 

[Tacky]

Julian Savea considering a switch to league…

 

[cqtiger]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters 🐓 in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

 

[hobbo]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters ? in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

Yes it would be great to have power brokers like Politis and Bouris in our corner ….
But then again Top clubs don't give plodders like Tim Grant one year extensions in favour of the player ..

Top clubs don't sign nevilles like Pita Godinet .

We need to get smarter !

 

[gallagher]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters ? in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

Yes it would be great to have power brokers like Politis and Bouris in our corner ….
But then again Top clubs don't give plodders like Tim Grant one year extensions in favour of the player ..

Top clubs don't sign nevilles like Pita Godinet .

We need to get smarter !

They paid Nikorima $370k. They've got more dollars than sense.

 

[gallagher]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters ? in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

Yes it would be great to have power brokers like Politis and Bouris in our corner ….
But then again Top clubs don't give plodders like Tim Grant one year extensions in favour of the player ..

Top clubs don't sign nevilles like Pita Godinet .

We need to get smarter !

They paid Nikorima $370k. They've got more dollars than sense.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters ? in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

Yes it would be great to have power brokers like Politis and Bouris in our corner ….
But then again Top clubs don't give plodders like Tim Grant one year extensions in favour of the player ..

Top clubs don't sign nevilles like Pita Godinet .

We need to get smarter !

Godinet is a depth player for crying out loud.

 

[Russell]

I could be( and hopefully am) wrong, but if things keep going the way are then in time there could be 5 or 6 clubs that would last through a financial crisis in the game through monopolising the talent, success and all the benefits that come from success.
With TPAs continuing in the fashion they are then a day may come where sponsors, financial backers and maybe even fans won’t see the value in supporting a team or game that’s only benefiting the elite.
Wouldn’t be much of a competition with half a dozen sides going around each week.
I know there’s always going to be stronger clubs than others and that’s part and parcel of a competition.
It seems to me that some clubs get privileges that others don’t.

Gee I hope we belt those roosters ? in round One!!!

The NRL will be very similar to the English Premier League very soon, if not already, where realistically only a handful of teams can win in any one year.

Already the NRL covers each club’s running costs so why isn’t the competition fair and even at this point? Well no club should fold ever again because of the funding so why are the top clubs almost always playing finals football?

It’s because the playing contracts are not publicised. Imagine the uproar if people could see the Rooster and Bronco contracts and Darius Boyd was on less than Naiquama? Or JWH was on less than Alex Twal?

Unless there is transparency with player contracts nothing will change. Gossip and inuendo will rule…just like now with Politis and his cronies just laughing their butts off.

Other major sporting codes provide clarity on contracts but they are much better run by strong administrators.

Yes it would be great to have power brokers like Politis and Bouris in our corner ….
But then again Top clubs don't give plodders like Tim Grant one year extensions in favour of the player ..

Top clubs don't sign nevilles like Pita Godinet .

We need to get smarter !

That's right Hobbo - Top Clubs sign players like Cameron Smith and Andrew McCulloch to play ISP?????