Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442686) said:
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442684) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442678) said:
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442647) said:
@gcfan said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442627) said:
@formerguest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442588) said:
Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Cool plan. Cant work. Ever year you have to have 30 contracted players and you must spend 90% of your cap.

Technically. But there are loop holes.
You need 30 contract by July, August this year but you don’t need the necessary amount through the year.
And there is nothing that what I mentioned doesn’t mean we haven’t met that requirement each year.

30 by 1 August. Must spend 90% by 1 October. Can do it first year, after than the maths doesnt add up.

I’ll answer both within the same post. Your focusing on just one player. There are 30 players and they are all off contract at different stages.
Essentially there are different type of players and therefore different types of recruitment strategies.

Consider the ‘stacked’ team the roosters had in 2013. SBW was promised 1 mil a season for two years. He himself knowing that it will only be a short term deal.
And more recently the 1 mil or so that the roosters recruited Cooper Cronk for. He was happy with a two year deal before he retired and man did it pay off. Over this time you have long term deals for all these nobody juniors (at the time) in Collins, Tupinoua, and long term stalwarts like Hargreaves / Friend etc. if they end up getting a little bit more when they are struggling and a little less when they are challenging does it matter? Plus if they are on a little less at the time of resigning and they are struggling it just makes it that much easier for the club to move on and pick up a potential new recruit to start shuffling their money around again.
 
@coivtny said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442698) said:
@tyga said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442691) said:
There is a method to what we are doing which is great. The Tigers look to be building a team with no high priced players. It’s probably why Brooks is rumoured to be on the outer. We are not a finals team so depth and multiple players on mid level contracts will enable youth to grow and when we are competitive marquee players will be the difference. That’s how I see it at the moment.

Gee I hope you're right. Maybe the pandemic has got to me but I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see a recruitment plan and I don't think there's that much quality coming through the lower ranks. At this stage 2022 doesn't look to be any better than 2021 and that will be another year of missing finals football. Maybe I need a Prozac.

Stay off meds. Single malt scotch is the way.
I had a collection of around 30 quality bottles it’s now down to 5. The juniors are the best we have had since the last crop of Tedesco, brooks, Moses, Brown etc. Teddy is rare but we have more quality than we have had for a long time.
 
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442658) said:
@gcfan said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442652) said:
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442647) said:
@gcfan said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442627) said:
@formerguest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442588) said:
Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Somebody get this guy in the recruitment team!
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Hopefully the strategy bears fruit.

Its what we do every year.

Thanks for letting my tyres down Cochise….?
 
@tyga said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442703) said:
Stay off meds. Single malt scotch is the way.
I had a collection of around 30 quality bottles it’s now down to 5

This. and simple cocktails. Margaritas, caprioskas, whiskey/amareto/etc sours.
 
@the_third said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442705) said:
@tyga said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442703) said:
Stay off meds. Single malt scotch is the way.
I had a collection of around 30 quality bottles it’s now down to 5

This. and simple cocktails. Margaritas, caprioskas, whiskey/amareto/etc sours.

Sounds good. I’m too lazy
 
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442677) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

He's more a centre than a winger, seems normal height.

he's the same height as Nofo
 
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442709) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442677) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

He's more a centre than a winger, seems normal height.

he's the same height as Nofo

180cm
 
@the_third said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442705) said:
@tyga said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442703) said:
Stay off meds. Single malt scotch is the way.
I had a collection of around 30 quality bottles it’s now down to 5

This. and simple cocktails. Margaritas, caprioskas, whiskey/amareto/etc sours.

Dark and Stormy
 
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?
 
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180
 
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.
 
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442701) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442686) said:
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442684) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442678) said:
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442647) said:
@gcfan said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442627) said:
@formerguest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442588) said:
Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Cool plan. Cant work. Ever year you have to have 30 contracted players and you must spend 90% of your cap.

Technically. But there are loop holes.
You need 30 contract by July, August this year but you don’t need the necessary amount through the year.
And there is nothing that what I mentioned doesn’t mean we haven’t met that requirement each year.

30 by 1 August. Must spend 90% by 1 October. Can do it first year, after than the maths doesnt add up.

I’ll answer both within the same post. Your focusing on just one player. There are 30 players and they are all off contract at different stages.
Essentially there are different type of players and therefore different types of recruitment strategies.

Consider the ‘stacked’ team the roosters had in 2013. SBW was promised 1 mil a season for two years. He himself knowing that it will only be a short term deal.
And more recently the 1 mil or so that the roosters recruited Cooper Cronk for. He was happy with a two year deal before he retired and man did it pay off. Over this time you have long term deals for all these nobody juniors (at the time) in Collins, Tupinoua, and long term stalwarts like Hargreaves / Friend etc. if they end up getting a little bit more when they are struggling and a little less when they are challenging does it matter? Plus if they are on a little less at the time of resigning and they are struggling it just makes it that much easier for the club to move on and pick up a potential new recruit to start shuffling their money around again.


Ok....like I said, it works for one year but not for more then one.

In your example you either use an example of 1 player in one year (which works) but then you talk about front loading some contracts and backloading others (a little less when they are challenging). Frontloading some and backloading others isnt fixing anything in the salary cap.

your example of SBW isnt front loading, his $1M goes on the cap.

You cant just front load for more than one season. Simple mathematics. 30 players, need to spend 90% of cap. If you continue to front load, you run out of cap and cant spend 90%.
 
You know things are bad for you as a player when the fan base collectively rejoices that we’re only tipping in $390k of your contract just to see the back of you. Now we just need to work on getting rid of him for the remainder of our games this season.
 
@needaname said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442717) said:
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me
 
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

![Screenshot_20210812-210905_Chrome.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1628766567675-screenshot_20210812-210905_chrome.jpg)
 
@tonytiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442711) said:
@the_third said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442705) said:
@tyga said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442703) said:
Stay off meds. Single malt scotch is the way.
I had a collection of around 30 quality bottles it’s now down to 5

This. and simple cocktails. Margaritas, caprioskas, whiskey/amareto/etc sours.

Dark and Stormy


negroni
 
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180


what's he bench hahaha
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442725) said:
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

![Screenshot_20210812-210905_Chrome.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1628766567675-screenshot_20210812-210905_chrome.jpg)

That's 6 foot in the old money.
If he's 6 foot I'm an astronaut.
 
@dwight-schrute said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442732) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442725) said:
@tigertone said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442715) said:
@weststigerman said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442712) said:
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442674) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1442622) said:
Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

![Screenshot_20210812-210905_Chrome.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1628766567675-screenshot_20210812-210905_chrome.jpg)

That's 6 foot in the old money.
If he's 6 foot I'm an astronaut.


thanks neil hahaha
 

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