Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Eternal Tiger]

Why’s everyone complaining?

They lost friend and cordner this year… they’re under the cap..

Yeah, when you consider those losses you'd like to think that they're under the cap. And then you look at the rest of their squad being littered with Origin players and internationals and you start to realise there is no way in hell that they're under the cap. Sure, they lost a few key players but that doesn't account for the fact that nearly every single player in their starting 13 is a rep level player. Can't believe there are people actually trying to vouch for the Roosters being under the cap just because they lost a few players.

Exactly. It’s laughable.

Its never about who they lose its about who they have got. They never lose players to stay under the cap they lose players that they no longer want or retire, and replace them with equally good ones or better.

Lose Pearce gain Cronk. Lose RTS gain Tedesco. Lose Friend gain Cheese. It's like a constant upgrade system but never seems to cost them any extra money.

In a decade or so the Roosters spine will be Jesus, Zeus, Hercules and Superman, and all 4 will claim they are playing for the chance of a premiership and the Roosters professionalism.

Would a draft stop this sort of thing?

Probably, but it has no legs in our sport. Also it's all short-term...you only have to look at the NBA to see that the draft does distribute talent, but soon enough money talks and the big-name players are drawn to whichever franchise is spending the big bucks at that time.

What I don't understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

I love the NBA, and the draft does distribute talent. That's why we see other teams make the play-offs.

Yes, you do get some big name players changing teams, but that's generally at the end of their career when they're chasing championships. But that doesn't always work out, last season was an example.

Literally every club would stop caring about junior development if you created a draft. In America clubs don't develop juniors, colleges do but it doesn't work like that over here. Why bother developing kids if other teams are just gonna sign them all up?

Which is what we let Manly do to our Juniors now. And Pascoe says were a "development Club"

 

[PabloX]

Why’s everyone complaining?

They lost friend and cordner this year… they’re under the cap..

Yeah, when you consider those losses you'd like to think that they're under the cap. And then you look at the rest of their squad being littered with Origin players and internationals and you start to realise there is no way in hell that they're under the cap. Sure, they lost a few key players but that doesn't account for the fact that nearly every single player in their starting 13 is a rep level player. Can't believe there are people actually trying to vouch for the Roosters being under the cap just because they lost a few players.

Exactly. It’s laughable.

Its never about who they lose its about who they have got. They never lose players to stay under the cap they lose players that they no longer want or retire, and replace them with equally good ones or better.

Lose Pearce gain Cronk. Lose RTS gain Tedesco. Lose Friend gain Cheese. It's like a constant upgrade system but never seems to cost them any extra money.

In a decade or so the Roosters spine will be Jesus, Zeus, Hercules and Superman, and all 4 will claim they are playing for the chance of a premiership and the Roosters professionalism.

Would a draft stop this sort of thing?

Probably, but it has no legs in our sport. Also it's all short-term...you only have to look at the NBA to see that the draft does distribute talent, but soon enough money talks and the big-name players are drawn to whichever franchise is spending the big bucks at that time.

What I don't understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

I love the NBA, and the draft does distribute talent. That's why we see other teams make the play-offs.

Yes, you do get some big name players changing teams, but that's generally at the end of their career when they're chasing championships. But that doesn't always work out, last season was an example.

Literally every club would stop caring about junior development if you created a draft. In America clubs don't develop juniors, colleges do but it doesn't work like that over here. Why bother developing kids if other teams are just gonna sign them all up?

How do you know that? The afl haven't disregarded junior development and they have a draft. The swans have an academy for example...

 

[PabloX]

Why’s everyone complaining?

They lost friend and cordner this year… they’re under the cap..

Yeah, when you consider those losses you'd like to think that they're under the cap. And then you look at the rest of their squad being littered with Origin players and internationals and you start to realise there is no way in hell that they're under the cap. Sure, they lost a few key players but that doesn't account for the fact that nearly every single player in their starting 13 is a rep level player. Can't believe there are people actually trying to vouch for the Roosters being under the cap just because they lost a few players.

Exactly. It’s laughable.

Its never about who they lose its about who they have got. They never lose players to stay under the cap they lose players that they no longer want or retire, and replace them with equally good ones or better.

Lose Pearce gain Cronk. Lose RTS gain Tedesco. Lose Friend gain Cheese. It's like a constant upgrade system but never seems to cost them any extra money.

In a decade or so the Roosters spine will be Jesus, Zeus, Hercules and Superman, and all 4 will claim they are playing for the chance of a premiership and the Roosters professionalism.

Would a draft stop this sort of thing?

Probably, but it has no legs in our sport. Also it's all short-term...you only have to look at the NBA to see that the draft does distribute talent, but soon enough money talks and the big-name players are drawn to whichever franchise is spending the big bucks at that time.

What I don't understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

I love the NBA, and the draft does distribute talent. That's why we see other teams make the play-offs.

Yes, you do get some big name players changing teams, but that's generally at the end of their career when they're chasing championships. But that doesn't always work out, last season was an example.

Literally every club would stop caring about junior development if you created a draft. In America clubs don't develop juniors, colleges do but it doesn't work like that over here. Why bother developing kids if other teams are just gonna sign them all up?

Not to mention, there's plenty of clubs and divisions below the nrl that won't stop caring about development

 

[JC99]

Why’s everyone complaining?

They lost friend and cordner this year… they’re under the cap..

Yeah, when you consider those losses you'd like to think that they're under the cap. And then you look at the rest of their squad being littered with Origin players and internationals and you start to realise there is no way in hell that they're under the cap. Sure, they lost a few key players but that doesn't account for the fact that nearly every single player in their starting 13 is a rep level player. Can't believe there are people actually trying to vouch for the Roosters being under the cap just because they lost a few players.

Exactly. It’s laughable.

Its never about who they lose its about who they have got. They never lose players to stay under the cap they lose players that they no longer want or retire, and replace them with equally good ones or better.

Lose Pearce gain Cronk. Lose RTS gain Tedesco. Lose Friend gain Cheese. It's like a constant upgrade system but never seems to cost them any extra money.

In a decade or so the Roosters spine will be Jesus, Zeus, Hercules and Superman, and all 4 will claim they are playing for the chance of a premiership and the Roosters professionalism.

Would a draft stop this sort of thing?

Probably, but it has no legs in our sport. Also it's all short-term...you only have to look at the NBA to see that the draft does distribute talent, but soon enough money talks and the big-name players are drawn to whichever franchise is spending the big bucks at that time.

What I don't understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

I love the NBA, and the draft does distribute talent. That's why we see other teams make the play-offs.

Yes, you do get some big name players changing teams, but that's generally at the end of their career when they're chasing championships. But that doesn't always work out, last season was an example.

Literally every club would stop caring about junior development if you created a draft. In America clubs don't develop juniors, colleges do but it doesn't work like that over here. Why bother developing kids if other teams are just gonna sign them all up?

How do you know that? The afl haven't disregarded junior development and they have a draft. The swans have an academy for example...

90% of NRL clubs are broke. What's the point in developing juniors if they all get put into a draft? It just doesn't make sense. I don't think we will see a draft in the NRL, they just need a transfer window

It's the RLPA who push for this signing for clubs a year in advance, they're trying to look after the players. Big name players would move to the big clubs regardless of a draft or not at some point, just like in the NBA

 

[JC99]

I also think it's very bold to assume that clubs are smart enough to draft the best young talents all the time to make themselves better.... Tigers for example let most of their good juniors walk away and invest into duds. They would probably end up drafting all terrible guys while Melbourne get the 14th pick and manage to draft the best guy 😂

 

[diedpretty]

The NRL clearly isn't interested in a level playing field. For them to land Smith and fit him in with their current squad is beyond ludicrous.

Why? They just lost Friend, Cornder, and the Morris twins.

I seem to remember them crowing about how they signed the Morris twins on peanuts but suddenly when they have gone it provides a significant amount of cap space.

 

[crazycat]

Really looking forward to roosters winning another premiership some time in the next couple of years

They had a terrible year this year they had to go to market

What's sad, I would swap their year for ours in a heartbeat.

 

[Tomatosoup912]

What people tend to overlook when referring to the American style draft systems is the team controlled contracts for the first half of a players career. While a draft would be difficult to implement in NRL because of limited youth development leagues not funded by the clubs themselves. I think team controlled contracts are absolutely a possibility.

Every rookie contract could be 250k, 250k, 350k(o), 450k(o) with team options for the last 2 years. Then after the first 4 years the team can match any contract offered to the player. It means A, clubs that develop juniors have control of their developed assets and B, a players value is determined by the open market in years 5-6, stops players accepting roosters like hidden payment contracts. After the first 6ish years a player can go to free agency with no restrictions.

A system like this would need to be supported by a genuine trade market, but I really think if this was implemented with published player contracts, it would create transparency and support the smaller developmental clubs.

 

[TigerWest]

I also think it's very bold to assume that clubs are smart enough to draft the best young talents all the time to make themselves better.... Tigers for example let most of their good juniors walk away and invest into duds. They would probably end up drafting all terrible guys while Melbourne get the 14th pick and manage to draft the best guy 😂

We need to be careful what we wish for, I think we are only a season (not sure what season) away from being one of the powerhouses of the comp, we have everything in place, just need the NRL team to deliver.

I think it was @Geo who said the only ones complaining, are the have not’s (which we are currently), but we will get there.

I am a firm believer it is all cyclical (e.g. Bronc’s)? Our turn will come.

 

[2041]

What I don’t understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

What I don't understand is why people think a draft would be *good* for a club like the Tigers. The only advantage we have over a club like the Roosters is a big catchment and the opportunity that gives to identify and develop young talent. Yes, we haven't been very good at it. But if we gave up even the chance of doing it, what would we be left with? The same talent identification skills going up against the Roosters in a straight fight. I don't like our chances.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

What I don’t understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

What I don't understand is why people think a draft would be *good* for a club like the Tigers. The only advantage we have over a club like the Roosters is a big catchment and the opportunity that gives to identify and develop young talent. Yes, we haven't been very good at it. But if we gave up even the chance of doing it, what would we be left with? The same talent identification skills going up against the Roosters in a straight fight. I don't like our chances.

On top of that I don’t think players would stick around once they were developed anyway.

 

[finnzo]

What I don’t understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

What I don't understand is why people think a draft would be *good* for a club like the Tigers. The only advantage we have over a club like the Roosters is a big catchment and the opportunity that gives to identify and develop young talent. Yes, we haven't been very good at it. But if we gave up even the chance of doing it, what would we be left with? The same talent identification skills going up against the Roosters in a straight fight. I don't like our chances.

On top of that I don’t think players would stick around once they were developed anyway.

It all comes down to winning you have to win games for people to want to stay it’s the only way

 

[Kelce68]

I don’t rate Brown. Paulo is awesome but not young

Brown would make a very good centre.

 

[tbones10]

Does anyone know if Kia Cooper has signed on for the Magpies again this season, I reckon he is a better backup centre than Junior, Kei or AJ, 11 tries from 13 games. I know its reggies but the kid can play.

 

[Demps]

Does anyone know if Kia Cooper has signed on for the Magpies again this season, I reckon he is a better backup centre than Junior, Kei or AJ, 11 tries from 13 games. I know its reggies but the kid can play.

Hasn't been seen in any photos.
As far as I'm aware.

I'll do some digging.

 

[HowDugWT]

Does anyone know if Kia Cooper has signed on for the Magpies again this season, I reckon he is a better backup centre than Junior, Kei or AJ, 11 tries from 13 games. I know its reggies but the kid can play.

Hasn't been seen in any photos.
As far as I'm aware.

I'll do some digging.

He has gone back up to Newcastle. Pretty disappointing. I did like him had a bit of talent.

 

[Demps]

Does anyone know if Kia Cooper has signed on for the Magpies again this season, I reckon he is a better backup centre than Junior, Kei or AJ, 11 tries from 13 games. I know its reggies but the kid can play.

Hasn't been seen in any photos.
As far as I'm aware.

I'll do some digging.

He has gone back up to Newcastle. Pretty disappointing. I did like him had a bit of talent.

Plenty of local clubs in Newy that'd be stoked to have him.
He looked the goods in NSW cup.

 

[jirskyr]

What I don’t understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

Because the RLPA will fight it tooth and nail, and it's already been defeated in court in the 90s.

 

[jrtiger]

Why’s everyone complaining?

They lost friend and cordner this year… they’re under the cap..

Yeah, when you consider those losses you'd like to think that they're under the cap. And then you look at the rest of their squad being littered with Origin players and internationals and you start to realise there is no way in hell that they're under the cap. Sure, they lost a few key players but that doesn't account for the fact that nearly every single player in their starting 13 is a rep level player. Can't believe there are people actually trying to vouch for the Roosters being under the cap just because they lost a few players.

Exactly. It’s laughable.

Its never about who they lose its about who they have got. They never lose players to stay under the cap they lose players that they no longer want or retire, and replace them with equally good ones or better.

Lose Pearce gain Cronk. Lose RTS gain Tedesco. Lose Friend gain Cheese. It's like a constant upgrade system but never seems to cost them any extra money.

In a decade or so the Roosters spine will be Jesus, Zeus, Hercules and Superman, and all 4 will claim they are playing for the chance of a premiership and the Roosters professionalism.

Would a draft stop this sort of thing?

Probably, but it has no legs in our sport. Also it's all short-term...you only have to look at the NBA to see that the draft does distribute talent, but soon enough money talks and the big-name players are drawn to whichever franchise is spending the big bucks at that time.

What I don't understand, is why people think a draft has no legs in the nrl?

I love the NBA, and the draft does distribute talent. That's why we see other teams make the play-offs.

Yes, you do get some big name players changing teams, but that's generally at the end of their career when they're chasing championships. But that doesn't always work out, last season was an example.

it will kill off grassroots football. our high school and tertiary systems aren't strong enough to support the pathways of the sport. football clubs won't see the point in funding junior footy if they're just developing players for poorly run clubs to snap their players up. a draft just won't work in the NRL.

think of how good it is to see blokes like Doueihi & Stefano come home because they're our junior products. how good is it to see Alex Seyfarth coming through the grades to now becoming a regular starter in firsts who is a local boy. Justin Matamua and Brandon Tumeth are both examples of players that are going to have long careers with us, and we're about to see them come through in the coming years, starting with being in the Emerging Blues squad. a draft kills all of that. that's why I think it has no place in the NRL.

 

[Swordy]

I'm the odd one out I suspect. I'm glad Brandon Smith isn't coming the WT. I think he is terribly overated and wouldn't work at our club. People getting the fun hectic cheese thing mixed up with his playing ability. A few times this year when they were under the pump looking for someone to call the shots like Cameron Smith, he disappeared and went one out.

Not to say his ability isn't better than what we have, just the whole package, the ego, the off field wanker etc. I think we are better without him and I think the Roosters will regret their decision.

I think there is close to zero chance you are correct on this.

Time will tell, and its only my opinion, and Im wrong 50% of the time anyway:blush: