Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[JC99]

More to do with the fact we’ve already got one young guy missing out most likely, now we will have two with Mansour getting first crack at wing. Could create a situation where we lose a young guy - then Mansour is retiring a year later, and Mansour isn’t good enough a player to warrant that

That's still my point. If Mansour plays 2 years for Tigers, any kid who misses out is not as good a footballer as Mansour, in the opinion of the coach. If they are good enough, they'll force Mansour out of the side.

I raise a very big question mark over the long-term future of a young winger who isn't better than Josh Mansour by the end of season 2022. And if they are really young, then the existence of Josh Mansour is complementary rather than a hinderance, because they'll get their chance soon enough.

And if Mansour is good enough over two years to keep a very promising junior out of the top grades, then that's a win-win situation surely.

How do we know if they’re gonna be good in first grade if they’re not playing first grade? Mansour will be solid enough to keep his spot and unless they’re absolutely smashing it in reserve grade they probably won’t get a spot in 2021. 2022 is a different story but we might lose someone like Talau by then.

 

[tigerap]

Perhaps @The_Pom can shed some light on the signing of Mansour......

 

[sleeve]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

two very different players. Grant is more like Smith and Liddle more like Damien Cook. while Grant controlled games through the middle corridor, Liddle will give decent ball to the halves and allow them to control the game, while he picks his moments. yes Grant is the better player but Liddle will be very very good for us providing Brooks and Doueihi steer the side around the park.

I’m still taking Simpkin over Liddle. How many chances are we going to give Liddle? I reckon this is his last chance, one more injury and it’s all over for him imo. Simpkin will be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Just my two cents

Maybe Simpkin will have as many injuries as Liddle has had - once he starts playing with the big boys.

Hopefully not

I'm amazed at comments that the kids are not ready for ist gde.They have gone through the development sytem to prepare them.They are 19yrs old and most weigh around 90kg.Johnt Raper ,12and a half stone,Gasnier went from reserve gde into a test jumper at 19.Brad FIttler and heaps more.They are bigger fitter and faster then previous players.If you don't give them a chance we will lose them.Why do you think we got Laurie ?

 

[bleedorange]

Perhaps @The_Pom can shed some light on the signing of Mansour......

Or @CCTW or @iwasright

 

[sleeve]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

two very different players. Grant is more like Smith and Liddle more like Damien Cook. while Grant controlled games through the middle corridor, Liddle will give decent ball to the halves and allow them to control the game, while he picks his moments. yes Grant is the better player but Liddle will be very very good for us providing Brooks and Doueihi steer the side around the park.

I’m still taking Simpkin over Liddle. How many chances are we going to give Liddle? I reckon this is his last chance, one more injury and it’s all over for him imo. Simpkin will be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Just my two cents

Maybe Simpkin will have as many injuries as Liddle has had - once he starts playing with the big boys.

Hopefully not

Why would anyone ever wish a player to have injuries, especially one of ours? WTF

Throw him in to early and that can happen. Really we can't look at the kids as the answer. Many do but if they start playing week in week out then injuries can happen. Marshall and Liddle being examples. You can put muscle on but ligaments and tendons are not worked on in the gym. They will take time.

KIDS KIDS--You can vote at 18 and yes to us their kids.But these kids have been lifting weights since they were 14,and to get on a development you are better then average.The size of the packs in CC is not much different.How old and how big were Alfie,Sterling,Cronk,Thurston,Talor,Brooks etc when they made 1st gde,? This argument is rubbish.

 

[twentyforty]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

two very different players. Grant is more like Smith and Liddle more like Damien Cook. while Grant controlled games through the middle corridor, Liddle will give decent ball to the halves and allow them to control the game, while he picks his moments. yes Grant is the better player but Liddle will be very very good for us providing Brooks and Doueihi steer the side around the park.

I’m still taking Simpkin over Liddle. How many chances are we going to give Liddle? I reckon this is his last chance, one more injury and it’s all over for him imo. Simpkin will be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Just my two cents

Maybe Simpkin will have as many injuries as Liddle has had - once he starts playing with the big boys.

Hopefully not

Why would anyone ever wish a player to have injuries, especially one of ours? WTF

Throw him in to early and that can happen. Really we can't look at the kids as the answer. Many do but if they start playing week in week out then injuries can happen. Marshall and Liddle being examples. You can put muscle on but ligaments and tendons are not worked on in the gym. They will take time.

KIDS KIDS--You can vote at 18 and yes to us their kids.But these kids have been lifting weights since they were 14,and to get on a development you are better then average.The size of the packs in CC is not much different.How old and how big were Alfie,Sterling,Cronk,Thurston,Talor,Brooks etc when they made 1st gde,? This argument is rubbish.

I think it depends on the individual and his physical maturity, but I say if they’re old enough then they’re old enough..if they’re good enough. Makes more sense to me than upgrading our tired old plodders who were rejects from other clubs for more tired old plodding rejects. I don’t care if their body is a temple and they only eat organic, most do these days anyway, and been training hard since the 90s. I don’t get why , when an old player becomes a reject at another club, that single feature makes him a “must have” at Tigers?

 

[twentyforty]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

 

[clontarfkid]

Think the big difference is that the current game is full of 115kg "athletes" who will run hard at the young bloke all day,and unless theyre built like Bradmen Best theres gonna be a huge size differential compared to previous generations
Also,coaching has improved to single out one on one defence weaknesses ,and if u cant bring down these big units consistently yr gonna get quickly exposed (see |Benji")
The step up to NRL for a young bloke is harder than ever IMO..thats why theres relatively so few halves coming thru

 

[TigerWest]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

So who are we chasing, so far it has only been rumour and paper talk?

 

[Roar_Power]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

So who are we chasing, so far it has only been rumour and paper talk?

If Madge had his way, I reckon McInnes and Angus Crichton would be the main additions for 2022.

 

[tony soprano]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

IF we make the finals who are the players going to turn to for some experience and confidence we do need some final experience players

 

[clontarfkid]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

So who are we chasing, so far it has only been rumour and paper talk?

I dont think were actually "chasing "Mansour...I think he shld be chasing us as, after another year ,UK is his only option.
For 2021 he wld be our best wing option after nofa,and whilst not in JACs class,and shld be priced accordingly
Weve gotta juggle our junior "pathways",Nofas potential departure,Mansours asking price and whether we can bundle Lawrie with the deal
Complex!
And if we lose him.we dont lose a moment of sleep

 

[Roar_Power]

Maybe we can get Mansour for just one subsidised season in 2021, maybe with a club option for the second. Makes sense. Better for him to be playing 1st grade and showing his value to potential new suitors than languishing in reserve grade at Penrith. Would suit us if it frees up Laurie this year.

 

[twentyforty]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

IF we make the finals who are the players going to turn to for some experience and confidence we do need some final experience players

The same question could be asked at any stage of the season. A finals game is just another game.
It’s a chicken/egg dilemma? Plenty complain about not getting a gig because they’re told they lack experience. There’s a whole season of experience waiting for a player. True, we lacked leadership in 2020, and you would have to wonder why with players like Benji, Nofa , Mbye and Brooksy in the team.? I think we need young leaders in the team.

 

[Tiger5150]

It’s as if people don’t want to have a better team next year unless WT sign everyone’s pin up boy.

Mansour improves our 2021 team, and if he helps get us higher up on the ladder it improves our chances to become a more desirable destination.

Even better if it gets us Laurie. I’ll back Hartigan on this because he’s shown he doesn’t pay overs.

How does he improve the team? It’s a sideways move at best, that comes with the consequence of slowing the development of our young players. Sure he’ll get metres up the middle for us but he’s not a game breaker, we’ve already got a winger who’s of the same mould but does it all better.

The only positive is possibly getting Laurie early possibly. Mansour will be solid, but nothing special. Would rather have pace and height on the wing.

How does he improve the team? This year we lost 2-3 games (see both south’s games) because teams targeted our inexperienced left wing with success.

If the young players are good enough, they’ll push him out of first grade, same as what happened with Jennings, but Mansour is a big upgrade on Jennings.

Yes, Mbye didn't help crucify Hoffman (he got the blame), when he let in 4 tries did he?

I'm not crucifying Hoffman, he was a development player who was only there because we had no depth in that position.

What I am saying is.....it was not the inexperience of Hoffman that lost the game against Souffs.

It was the inaptitude of Mbye that let in four tries in that game - I would say that is why we lost that game, not the inexperience.

Disagree totally. Centre and winger work together in defence. Clearly there was no communication between them or confidence in Hoffman. Mbye was our best defensive back all year. His defence was rock solid but coincidentally when he has a debutante outside him it all falls apart, but Hoffman gets a pass?

 

[Tiger5150]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

Staines recently extended with Pamfers

 

[finnzo]

If Mansour was not unwanted at Penrith , would we be chasing him?
Wouldn’t we be chasing Staines? The guy who is proving to be the upgraded model? We seriously need to raise our expectations.

Staines recently extended with Pamfers

We signed the next best thing in Laurie

 

[Cairnstigers]

I've said it before.
If mansour is blocking your path to first grade then you're not ready for first grade.
Madge has shown he doesn't care about reputations.

Exactly right. Tigers have for a long time had insufficient depth to put pressure on the incumbents. Madge and Co have made a point of recruiting depth across the roster, so there is both competition and backup for injury.

Madge has shown willingness to drop any player any reputation.

So I don't understand, if someone thinks Mansour is "no good", why he would be an obstacle for "good" juniors. You might even ask if Mansour is reasonable value to both add experience and competition to the roster. And it's this value proposition question that has caused the drawn-out process of determining Mansour's future.

What I do know for a fact is that the club rates Daine Laurie very highly and were very pleased that he agreed to sign on. The question of an early trade including Mansour has been on the table for quite some time.

Why not give Madge a late Christmas gift and let him start working with Laurie now, rather than have the kid bouncing around reserve grade for another year. The Harry Grant trade showed that it's in the contract club's best interests to let an up-and-coming player play grade as soon as they are ready rather than keep kicking around behind prominent incumbents.

At worst we gain Mansour, who is decent without being a bad footballer. And maybe even then it puts pressure on Nofo to sign for a decent amount, or good luck to him if he chooses to leave.

More to do with the fact we’ve already got one young guy missing out most likely, now we will have two with Mansour getting first crack at wing. Could create a situation where we lose a young guy - then Mansour is retiring a year later, and Mansour isn’t good enough a player to warrant that. If Laurie comes too I can deal with it

Who said Mansour gets 1st shot at wing
Wouldn't it depend on training and trials

 

[tigerap]

Maybe we can get Mansour for just one subsidised season in 2021, maybe with a club option for the second. Makes sense. Better for him to be playing 1st grade and showing his value to potential new suitors than languishing in reserve grade at Penrith. Would suit us if it frees up Laurie this year.

I'd be okay with that...Mansour 2 year deal with club option 2nd year, first year subsidized by Riff and we get Laurie too. Then half was through 2021 advise Mansour we are not taking the 2nd year up and to look elsewhere

 

[bathursttiger1]

Maybe we can get Mansour for just one subsidised season in 2021, maybe with a club option for the second. Makes sense. Better for him to be playing 1st grade and showing his value to potential new suitors than languishing in reserve grade at Penrith. Would suit us if it frees up Laurie this year.

I'd be okay with that...Mansour 2 year deal with club option 2nd year, first year subsidized by Riff and we get Laurie too. Then half was through 2021 advise Mansour we are not taking the 2nd year up and to look elsewhere

And Penrith upgrade Crichton.