Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger_Steve]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

100%. Need to strengthen what he’s already good and natural at. Not try to make him into something he’s not

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

 

[Speed2burn]

I honestly believe Fitzgibbon is no better than Garner. Maybe a slight upgrade at best

Lets hope Garner has a better year with this improved coaching and develoment unit,i think he will,he has the that Steve Menzies running style that i like.All posts think his defence is the problem, i hope they fix it because he has talent.

Yeah I like Garner, clear he has the right attributes just seems lazy. This year might be his final chance to prove himself though so hopefully he gives it his best shot (if manly hasn’t got him)

That observation is a concern because roosters cut him adrift for exactly that reason. Garner acknowledged this in an interview some time ago. Personally, I think he’s a liability and will be overtaken by the stack of forwards talent we are stocking.

I’ve seen enough ability at the back end of 2019 to know he’s got it. That Brooks combo where he hit him short on an outside in run straight at the B defender sounds simple but they were the best at executing it

I guess 2021 will tell us a lot more. Certainly needs a big year if he wants to kick on

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

Confidence is a funny thing, if we could string together a few good wins we might see him grow a leg, he’s been leading around a pretty average team for a long while.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

Confidence is a funny thing, if we could string together a few good wins we might see him grow a leg, he’s been leading around a pretty average team for a long while.

Its much easier to lead when things are going well, when leadership is important is when things aren't going well.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I honestly believe Fitzgibbon is no better than Garner. Maybe a slight upgrade at best

Lets hope Garner has a better year with this improved coaching and develoment unit,i think he will,he has the that Steve Menzies running style that i like.All posts think his defence is the problem, i hope they fix it because he has talent.

Yeah I like Garner, clear he has the right attributes just seems lazy. This year might be his final chance to prove himself though so hopefully he gives it his best shot (if manly hasn’t got him)

That observation is a concern because roosters cut him adrift for exactly that reason. Garner acknowledged this in an interview some time ago. Personally, I think he’s a liability and will be overtaken by the stack of forwards talent we are stocking.

I’ve seen enough ability at the back end of 2019 to know he’s got it. That Brooks combo where he hit him short on an outside in run straight at the B defender sounds simple but they were the best at executing it

I guess 2021 will tell us a lot more. Certainly needs a big year if he wants to kick on

I think he has ‘it’ ability wise. Not sure if the depth of application is there (based solely on onfield performance)

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

Confidence is a funny thing, if we could string together a few good wins we might see him grow a leg, he’s been leading around a pretty average team for a long while.

Its much easier to lead when things are going well, when leadership is important is when things aren't going well.

True but you have to factor in the personnel when judging leaders in the NRL, look at someone like James Graham when playing in below average squads, Bellamy/Bennett etc wouldn’t come near the WT due to the lack of quality within the squad. Good leaders generally still need a competent team.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

Confidence is a funny thing, if we could string together a few good wins we might see him grow a leg, he’s been leading around a pretty average team for a long while.

Its much easier to lead when things are going well, when leadership is important is when things aren't going well.

True but you have to factor in the personnel when judging leaders in the NRL, look at someone like James Graham when playing in below average squads, Bellamy/Bennett etc wouldn’t come near the WT due to the lack of quality within the squad. Good leaders generally still need a competent team.

Bennett was very keen on coming to WT

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

We are essentially agreeing. I think our lack of forward momentum killed brooks running game this year, he was trying to make something out of nothing too often.

Yeah mate I'm not disagreeing with you, more discussing the situation.

Fair enough. If I’m coaching Brooksy I’m telling him to be more vocal with his forwards, he needs to be screaming at them to get faster play the balls and talking to the refs more. He still seems a bit timid within himself.

I don't really see that changing at this point, I actually had a chance to spend a couple of hours with him just before Christmas and he is a fairly quiet guy, I don't know if he has that vocal leader in him.

I played with some quiet guys who would go 180 out on the field, like almost mute off the field to full lunatics on it. So I think Brooks can be coached, it’s really just about conveying the game plan while on the park, which is his job as HB.

Yeah I did too, I just don't see Brooksy developing that at this point in his career.

I hope he does this year with Benji gone, Douehi seems like a similar personality (so does Mbye) so someone in that spine needs to grab the bull by the horns.

I know a lot blame Benji for that, but he has been in the team for a long time now and if he was going to be that vocal player it would have happened by now.

Confidence is a funny thing, if we could string together a few good wins we might see him grow a leg, he’s been leading around a pretty average team for a long while.

Its much easier to lead when things are going well, when leadership is important is when things aren't going well.

True but you have to factor in the personnel when judging leaders in the NRL, look at someone like James Graham when playing in below average squads, Bellamy/Bennett etc wouldn’t come near the WT due to the lack of quality within the squad. Good leaders generally still need a competent team.

Bennett was very keen on coming to WT

So were JAC and Latrell ?

 

[TrueTiger]

Couple of things I would like to mention that have come from this thread....
1...If Pearce was such a good human and wanted to marry the lady he loves,he wouldnt have even thought about texting another woman..
2...Luke Garner played far better football outside of Brooks,its when he ran good lines and got good ball from Brooks..Benji side crabbed and stifled all the play when trying for the low percentage plays that had Garner in a quandry...
3...Madge will have learnt from 2020 and I would be absolutely gobbsmacked if he doesnt rectify the problems we all observed in games last year..

finally I cant wait for the season to start because Im sure there will be plenty of surprises in store for us as avid WTs fans...

 

[JC99]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running

 

[bigsiro]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running

His short passing is crap. Always has been. He passes them too hard and too many hospital.
Nothing is going to change his game sadly. It is what it is. We are stuck with it.

 

[BAGNF05]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running

When there is nothing on in the NRL you need to do one of two things.

1. Give it to an X factor player like James Tedesco.
2. A couple of strong charges from big forwards or outside backs to gain some momentum.

Brooks running with no momentum was a consequence of us not having X factor players or forwards to get us rolling.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running


His short passing is crap. Always has been. He passes them too hard and too many hospital.
Nothing is going to change his game sadly. It is what it is. We are stuck with it.

I think his biggest problem is passing to players that are different height to him. That has to be difficult.

 

[cochise]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running

His first thought was always to run. I like him running just not as the 1st choice everytime he gets the ball.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running


His short passing is crap. Always has been. He passes them too hard and too many hospital.
Nothing is going to change his game sadly. It is what it is. We are stuck with it.

I think his biggest problem is passing to players that are different height to him. That has to be difficult.

Gawd here we go. Next thing we’ll be talking body language...

 

[bigsiro]

The club is aware that moving him from his preferred side of the field impacted his form last year.

I don't think it just affected Garner. Brooks' attacking opportunities were diminished as well and I think it affected his form also.

At the back end of 2019 the Brooks no-look pass to Garner, running an outside in line, was the only feather we had to fly with. All teams found it hard to defend. They complemented each other and made each other look good.

Separating them was a big mistake. I hope they are re-united this season.

What would make it more interesting is if they move BJ to the left, so that Brooks has the option of the short ball to Garner or the long ball to BJ. That will create a few headaches in our opponent's defence.

Spot on and I have said it many times, Brooks best play is the short ball to 2nd rower/ long ball to fullback sweeping around the back option play. We totally stopped running that play in 2020 and the shifting of Garner was part of the reason for that. Attack also became slightly less structured with the rule changes and that had an impact as well.

I like Brooks best when he gets the ball on the advantage line and runs hard at the A defender with the ball in two hands. With options inside and outside it’s hard for a tiring forward and nearly impossible to stop. Unfortunately last year we rarely had the forward momentum to allow this style of attack.

Yeah he needs the defence to have to make a decision, that is when he is at his best and why option plays work well for him.

His speed off the mark is his greatest asset, his passing and kicking games are ok but it’s when the team is rolling that he looks elite. It’s why the Tigers can run up big scores or score quick points when they’re on. Hopefully these new forwards can help bring out his best.

Im actually of the belief that he has been told for too long that his best aspect is his running game. In 2020 his 1st option was to run, even when that wasn't the best option. He is much better when he has a defence in 2 minds and by overplaying the run in 2020 he nullified his 2 best attributes. When a defence has to make a decision his running game goes to another level but it also opens up his passing game.

I love Brooks and get sick of the garbage he cops on here but if I’m honest I think he struggles to know when to run, when to pass. He seems a confused footballer to me. I’d love him to spend some time with Matty John’s or a mentor as such

Mate we have had this conversation so many times lol. People need to get out of his head and stop telling him to run constantly. He needs to pick better times to run and work on identifying players in the defensive line who are poor at defending the run. As @BAGNF05 has been saying, hopefully with a better forward back these decisions will become easier for him as the defence will be on the back foot. On paper the 6 again rule should benefit Brooks more than any other player we have except maybe Liddle.

Agree completely he ran far too much this year and defences saw it coming, especially when we aren’t winning the forward battle. He’s got excellent short passing and kicking but barely did it at all this season for some reason was too worried about running


His short passing is crap. Always has been. He passes them too hard and too many hospital.
Nothing is going to change his game sadly. It is what it is. We are stuck with it.

I think his biggest problem is passing to players that are different height to him. That has to be difficult.

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