Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[BZN]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

 

[BAGNF05]

We all have different opinions on players performance, and ability . Talk of Liddle ,or Simkin missing tackles and errors, of Lucys tackles and others. Brooks gets hammered for reasons i cannot understand and Twal as well . The hookers and many of our forwards are very young, we would be unfair to compare them to seasoned players. But these players give 100% in every game, and to me ,thats what matters.

Anyone criticising Alex twal on here should have a look at his stats for the year. He's quite clearly one of our best forwards. He needs to find an offload. But tell me this...I'd you were Alex twal, would you trust the rabble of this team to catch it?

Maybe I am alone in this thought. But our issue doesn't stem from skill, it's attitude. Hunger, drive and commitment. Something you can't train into people. Either you want it or you don't. And I would dare argue that a lot of players here don't.

You only needed to watch the warm-up of both teams to know that Melbourne storm was going to carve up. This apathy that infects all the tigers players is like mould. It's hard to define and hard to get rid off

The Luke brooks bashing had gotta stop though. If half the other pea hearts in this team tackled like brooks we would be in a better place.

I know a little about elite sports. You can't train hunger to compete. Some people just have the instincts to win and often than not the other half are just followers. Clearly douhei has that hunger, and he was missed last week. Maguire response was perfect tbh. It's on the players to find it. MGuire can't find it for them

Since this is a recruitment thread. I'm confused as to why Dale finucane suddenly fixes our woes. Second he leaves Melbourne his hunger to win will disappear, and will become another plodder.

Twal is an honest toiler. He tries hard and gets through a lot of work but he doesn't make much of an impact in defence and he doesn't bend the line with the ball. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't get rid of him, but he's just a player.

I've been a huge critic of Brooks but in the last month he's been the least of our problems.

The biggest problem is the we need 2 quality wingers and 2 quality centres. Our defence out wide is what hurts us the most.

100% this.

Our edges this year (right being the biggest culprit) have cost as multiple games. We fix the defence here and I am confident we are in the top 8 right now.

In good teams wingers seldom make tackles . It’s called line speed.

Issue is a team can take a kick off spin it to the right immediately (ala cowboys and Melbourne game) and both centre and winger are standing 20metres out of position. Line speed will help but won’t help the easy 2-3 tries a game any team can get simply by passing the ball right.

There is a total disconnect between Luciano and his centre, don’t think I’ve seen them stop one dangerous shift with smart team defending

 

[BZN]

One thing I’m pretty sure of is we will not sign Finucane. The 29yo who is asking 4 years at $800k does not fit with our current recruitment philosophy imo. The media have been doing a huge sell job to wedge in the dominant buying motive of his “leadership” value. I’m confident that Hartigan, Sheens and Madge are aware that WT can’t buy leadership, we’ve seen a few examples during the last decade. Interestingly,Tamou mentioned a few of the young guys were doing the urging at halftime in Madge’s absence. That’s where the leaders are, who need to be encouraged.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Demps]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

He's like 28, believe it or not...

But I too, am not sold on this one.
Strong media push is quite strange too.

Maybe we don't need an unexciting, workhorse lock... honestly I'd rather Tapine

 

[cochise]

I think if we can sign dale finucane we need to set up a leadership group with him James Tamoe and Adam doughi to help mold Adam doughi into our next captain

I have said before that Tamou is a leader that develops leadership skills in other players, he did it at Penrith with their young halves and Doueihi is going to be a better captain due to the influence Tamou is having on him.

 

[BAGNF05]

One thing I’m pretty sure of is we will not sign Finucane. The 29yo who is asking 4 years at $800k does not fit with our current recruitment philosophy imo. The media have been doing a huge sell job to wedge in the dominant buying motive of his “leadership” value. I’m confident that Hartigan, Sheens and Madge are aware that WT can’t buy leadership, we’ve seen a few examples during the last decade. Interestingly,Tamou mentioned a few of the young guys were doing the urging at halftime in Madge’s absence. That’s where the leaders are, who need to be encouraged.

Whatever their message was should never be replayed

 

[BZN]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.


really? who played well last week?

Maybe he means at Bingo at Noosa RSL

:joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[BZN]

One thing I’m pretty sure of is we will not sign Finucane. The 29yo who is asking 4 years at $800k does not fit with our current recruitment philosophy imo. The media have been doing a huge sell job to wedge in the dominant buying motive of his “leadership” value. I’m confident that Hartigan, Sheens and Madge are aware that WT can’t buy leadership, we’ve seen a few examples during the last decade. Interestingly,
Tamou mentioned a few of the young guys were doing the urging at halftime in Madge’s absence. That’s where the leaders are, who need to be encouraged.

Their current strategy isn’t working and needs to be thrown in the bin. Dale is exactly who we need and to pay overs for blind Freddy can see that unfortunately you don’t buy back bone with cheap discards no body wants and Madge not good enough to coach their meritocracy out of them

There's no quick fix, and paying overs for older players doesn't guarantee youre buying leadership. While it may be a skill, leadership is born from desire and belief in the group's goals. Our future strong leaders will come from our juniors who are inspired by the WT story, not from players transitioning to retirement. Let the Broncos have him and we'll stay the course.

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[Cairnstigers]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

By the sounds of it
Finucane and TPJ are no good for out team because one is to old and only plays well in the Storm system and one is to hot headed and goes missing in games
Then Kikau is a flat track bully and hasn’t done much this year

Arrrrrrrr
Listen to us all on hear
We may as well re sign Packer because at least we know what we get

Really is there any player good enough for our team that we would all be happy with
Those 3 players mentioned are far better then what we have in the forwards
To many people in denial on here

Maybe that's why we haven't signed anyone of late because those who make the decisions must be reading this thread for our approval

 

[BAGNF05]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

By the sounds of it
Finucane and TPJ are no good for out team because one is to old and only plays well in the Storm system and one is to hot headed and goes missing in games
Then Kikau is a flat track bully and hasn’t done much this year

Arrrrrrrr
Listen to us all on hear
We may as well re sign Packer because at least we know what we get

Really is there any player good enough for our team that we would all be happy with
Those 3 players mentioned are far better then what we have in the forwards
To many people in denial on here

Maybe that's why we haven't signed anyone of late because those who make the decisions must be reading this thread for our approval

Bugger it sign all three ?

 

[BZN]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Our **TEAM** of Pascoe, The Sheenius, Hartigan and Madge wont be paying overs anymore unless they are certain of what they are purchasing for those $$$

 

[TigerWest]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

I don't think his best years are behind him, I'd argue he's playing career best football. Has only started making origin squads the last few years and is there again this year.

He wouldn't have a massive impact and be a superstar for us but in a team that lacks consistency getting one of the most consistent hardest working players around would be a good move

I always knew Tamou wouldn't put up the numbers he did last year with us, Finucane of course wouldn't put up the same numbers but he doesn't play like a guy who's at the end of his career. All depends on how much and how long the contract is and there's a lack of quality around for next year

Would be happy if we signed him, wouldn't be devastated if we didn't. He'll probably stay at Melbourne

I don’t know if people are really getting the influence of strong leaders. I’ve been pretty happy with Stefano,very happy with Twal and prior to injury, Mikaele was on the rise. Is that actually the Tamou effect working as we wanted? And would Finucane do the same in the back row? If these guys are making people around them better then their own numbers aren’t as critical.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I thought our forwards were travelling pretty well, until the last 2 games, where we looked small and fragile.

IMO, we just need someone who help us hold the line and insist on commitment from the players. To me, that sounds like Finucane, but at $800k a year, is a risk at his age (we did this with Packer)? TPJ probably a bit less stabile than Finucane, but is a game breaker?

If we signed one or both, certainly some would have to go, though I don't think it would be the young blokes?

But what price is success worth to us?

 

[BAGNF05]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

I don't think his best years are behind him, I'd argue he's playing career best football. Has only started making origin squads the last few years and is there again this year.

He wouldn't have a massive impact and be a superstar for us but in a team that lacks consistency getting one of the most consistent hardest working players around would be a good move

I always knew Tamou wouldn't put up the numbers he did last year with us, Finucane of course wouldn't put up the same numbers but he doesn't play like a guy who's at the end of his career. All depends on how much and how long the contract is and there's a lack of quality around for next year

Would be happy if we signed him, wouldn't be devastated if we didn't. He'll probably stay at Melbourne

I don’t know if people are really getting the influence of strong leaders. I’ve been pretty happy with Stefano,very happy with Twal and prior to injury, Mikaele was on the rise. Is that actually the Tamou effect working as we wanted? And would Finucane do the same in the back row? If these guys are making people around them better then their own numbers aren’t as critical.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I thought our forwards were travelling pretty well, until the last 2 games, where we looked small and fragile.

IMO, we just need someone who help us hold the line and insist on commitment from the players. To me, that sounds like Finucane, but at $800k a year, is a risk at his age (we did this with Packer)? TPJ probably a bit less stabile than Finucane, but is a game breaker?

If we signed one or both, certainly some would have to go, though I don't think it would be the young blokes?

But what price is success worth to us?

Finucane and Packers resumes are worlds apart

 

[TigerWest]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

I don't think his best years are behind him, I'd argue he's playing career best football. Has only started making origin squads the last few years and is there again this year.

He wouldn't have a massive impact and be a superstar for us but in a team that lacks consistency getting one of the most consistent hardest working players around would be a good move

I always knew Tamou wouldn't put up the numbers he did last year with us, Finucane of course wouldn't put up the same numbers but he doesn't play like a guy who's at the end of his career. All depends on how much and how long the contract is and there's a lack of quality around for next year

Would be happy if we signed him, wouldn't be devastated if we didn't. He'll probably stay at Melbourne

I don’t know if people are really getting the influence of strong leaders. I’ve been pretty happy with Stefano,very happy with Twal and prior to injury, Mikaele was on the rise. Is that actually the Tamou effect working as we wanted? And would Finucane do the same in the back row? If these guys are making people around them better then their own numbers aren’t as critical.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I thought our forwards were travelling pretty well, until the last 2 games, where we looked small and fragile.

IMO, we just need someone who help us hold the line and insist on commitment from the players. To me, that sounds like Finucane, but at $800k a year, is a risk at his age (we did this with Packer)? TPJ probably a bit less stabile than Finucane, but is a game breaker?

If we signed one or both, certainly some would have to go, though I don't think it would be the young blokes?

But what price is success worth to us?

Finucane and Packers resumes are worlds apart

I am referring to paying big $'s for a bloke near his end date who is more likely to get longer term injuries in the role he plays? Thus crippling our cap?

I thought Packer came here with a good rep imo, just didn't deliver.

 

[cochise]

Jai Arrow gave an insight into why top line players give us a miss when asked why he chose Souths over a team like us.
He said, after consideration, he preferred to go to a team with a good spine in place.
Now , let's look at what we had on offer at the start of the year (still the same now).

Hooker: We can't make up our mind between two unproven players.
Halfback: Brooks. Goes ok sometimes, perennial loser and no inspiration.
Five eighth: Can't make up our minds ...again.
Fullback: Laurie. Late decision to use a young, talented fullback (however, still unproven)

We really need to get these positions set before players take us seriously or we'll forever be paying massive overs (like the Bulldogs)

Our **TEAM** of Pascoe, The Sheenius, Hartigan and Madge wont be paying overs anymore unless they are certain of what they are purchasing for those $$$

There will be a time we pay overs but it will be for a player that changes the club. That's why it is important to not overpay your regular players.

 

[JC99]

We all have different opinions on players performance, and ability . Talk of Liddle ,or Simkin missing tackles and errors, of Lucys tackles and others. Brooks gets hammered for reasons i cannot understand and Twal as well . The hookers and many of our forwards are very young, we would be unfair to compare them to seasoned players. But these players give 100% in every game, and to me ,thats what matters.

Anyone criticising Alex twal on here should have a look at his stats for the year. He's quite clearly one of our best forwards. He needs to find an offload. But tell me this...I'd you were Alex twal, would you trust the rabble of this team to catch it?

Maybe I am alone in this thought. But our issue doesn't stem from skill, it's attitude. Hunger, drive and commitment. Something you can't train into people. Either you want it or you don't. And I would dare argue that a lot of players here don't.

You only needed to watch the warm-up of both teams to know that Melbourne storm was going to carve up. This apathy that infects all the tigers players is like mould. It's hard to define and hard to get rid off

The Luke brooks bashing had gotta stop though. If half the other pea hearts in this team tackled like brooks we would be in a better place.

I know a little about elite sports. You can't train hunger to compete. Some people just have the instincts to win and often than not the other half are just followers. Clearly douhei has that hunger, and he was missed last week. Maguire response was perfect tbh. It's on the players to find it. MGuire can't find it for them

Since this is a recruitment thread. I'm confused as to why Dale finucane suddenly fixes our woes. Second he leaves Melbourne his hunger to win will disappear, and will become another plodder.

Twal is an honest toiler. He tries hard and gets through a lot of work but he doesn't make much of an impact in defence and he doesn't bend the line with the ball. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't get rid of him, but he's just a player.

I've been a huge critic of Brooks but in the last month he's been the least of our problems.

Just because I was curious
Stats for big Nelson from Melbourne

https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/melbourne-storm/nelson-asofa-solomona/

And Alex twal's

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/alex-twal/

I know stats aren't everything but gee wiz

Edit: Dale finucanes stats for informations sake:

https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/melbourne-storm/dale-finucane/

Stats don't tell the whole story.

https://www.sharks.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/cronulla-sutherland-sharks/aiden-tolman/

That Aidan tolman is a consistent plodder? Everyone knew that :stuck_out_tongue:

Bulldogs were idiots for getting rid of tolman
Every team needs a toiler

Tolman Tamou

I’m sure he adds value in other areas but Tamou has been pretty terrible on field. Your plodder assessment was bang on.

In a team getting well beaten a 32 year old prop on 300k making 85m a game (with that figure dropping a lot after the Storm debacle where he couldn't touch the ball) and 27 tackles a game with a 96.5% efficiency rating - seems pretty solid to me. Especially seeing he rarely receives kickoffs to pad his stats. Teams like kicking to Twal's side as he poses no tackle breaking or offloading threat.

Yeah honestly I don't think Tamou has been terrible like some people are making him out to be. He goes fine when he's on the field, has a missed tackle in him but normally runs the ball pretty well and leads our line in defence

Was never gonna be a standout on the field but I think he's done an okay job - I think the issue is that he can't play big minutes but he's our only leader out there

 

[BAGNF05]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

I don't think his best years are behind him, I'd argue he's playing career best football. Has only started making origin squads the last few years and is there again this year.

He wouldn't have a massive impact and be a superstar for us but in a team that lacks consistency getting one of the most consistent hardest working players around would be a good move

I always knew Tamou wouldn't put up the numbers he did last year with us, Finucane of course wouldn't put up the same numbers but he doesn't play like a guy who's at the end of his career. All depends on how much and how long the contract is and there's a lack of quality around for next year

Would be happy if we signed him, wouldn't be devastated if we didn't. He'll probably stay at Melbourne

I don’t know if people are really getting the influence of strong leaders. I’ve been pretty happy with Stefano,very happy with Twal and prior to injury, Mikaele was on the rise. Is that actually the Tamou effect working as we wanted? And would Finucane do the same in the back row? If these guys are making people around them better then their own numbers aren’t as critical.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I thought our forwards were travelling pretty well, until the last 2 games, where we looked small and fragile.

IMO, we just need someone who help us hold the line and insist on commitment from the players. To me, that sounds like Finucane, but at $800k a year, is a risk at his age (we did this with Packer)? TPJ probably a bit less stabile than Finucane, but is a game breaker?

If we signed one or both, certainly some would have to go, though I don't think it would be the young blokes?

But what price is success worth to us?

Finucane and Packers resumes are worlds apart

I am referring to paying big $'s for a bloke near his end date who is more likely to get longer term injuries in the role he plays? Thus crippling our cap?

I thought Packer came here with a good rep imo, just didn't deliver.

I don’t think he’ll come here so it’ll be interesting to watch his next 3 seasons, probably a couple of series with the blues and a Clive Churchill

 

[mike]

Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

By the sounds of it
Finucane and TPJ are no good for out team because one is to old and only plays well in the Storm system and one is to hot headed and goes missing in games
Then Kikau is a flat track bully and hasn’t done much this year

Arrrrrrrr
Listen to us all on hear
We may as well re sign Packer because at least we know what we get

Really is there any player good enough for our team that we would all be happy with
Those 3 players mentioned are far better then what we have in the forwards
To many people in denial on here

Maybe that's why we haven't signed anyone of late because those who make the decisions must be reading this thread for our approval

Bugger it sign all three ?

I’m with you on that.

 

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Brent Read saying he thinks we are mulling over Finucane/TPJ and we haven't landed on a destination yet. Also says dragons are monitoring tpj situation


Sounds like rubbish, make them both an offer and if either accepts, great and if we cant afford both withdraw the other.

Pretty sure we'd have the money for both? I'd be making both an offer if we do


This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd be nervous about having so much $$$ tied up in second row. We have decent options there in LL, Blore Garner. Im VERY happy to spend good money on one new talented second rower but I cant justify tying up so much money in second row.

We'll sign TPJ, he'll turn out a dud and everyone in here will be cursing us losing a Tuilagi or a Simpkin once they're superstars elsewhere.

I think there's a lot more chance of TPJ being a dud for us than Finucane although TPJ has a higher ceiling. TPJ has gone missing in important games plenty of times and can lose his head but he can be brilliant when he wants to as well. Finucane will give you a good performance every week and has a great attitude.

Personally I'd prefer Finucane but either would be nice

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think Finicane would be a bad signing for us. A more expensive Tamou. Best years behind him. Would be a mistake.

He's like 28, believe it or not...

But I too, am not sold on this one.
Strong media push is quite strange too.

Maybe we don't need an unexciting, workhorse lock... honestly I'd rather Tapine

He is 30 in September

 

[yeahcaz]

9 reporting Capewell has signed a 3 year deal with the broncos. Ikin moving quick it seems