Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

> > > > > I felt at the time it was a nervous knee jerk reaction by the club due to Dragons offering him about the same. 2yrs max at that stage would have been more than fair, possibly even 1yr with a 2nd in clubs favour given there was no real extended periods of form to gauge him off.
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> > > > Depends on the value of the deal. If it's a long-term cheap extension, or with incentives for better / continued performance, then I am fine with that.
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> > > > It's like Jimmy Jet - very little return in 2021, but at very low cost, so there's not much risk associated with it. Musgrove would be the same if he's not overly expensive but is locked in. Otherwise you are constantly rotating your backups every 2 years and you don't have much consistency of the system.
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> > > > Clearly Madge knows Musgrove from his Souths days, brought him over, waited for his ban to conclude, then re-signed him: so Madge rates his potential long-term value. Musgrove is also arguably rock-bottom price right now, i.e. we are buying in at the low end of his potential cost.
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> > > > It's the long-term high-cost signings we need to worry about. Musgrove is easily above reserve-grade level, so there's no argument that he cannot be a good backup option. These are "Benji-Lite" type deals where there capability of the player is established, and you agree to the cost/risk relationship of having them as backup, or potentially Top 17 if form / injuries warrant.
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> > > > Bearing in mind also if we want to retain Stefano long-term and perhaps partner him with another notable prop, we are going to need much cheaper but decent-quality, reliable, in-system backups (if you are going to invest $700-900K on your top-tier prop).
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> > > So Musgrove is on a long term deal on over 400k, is that a low risk contract to you?
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> > We don't know what he is on. We never will. I don't get into speculation about possible deal values. I'll let the club consider low / medium / high costs.
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> If you don't know what he is on how do you know we got him at "arguably rock bottom price"?

I didn't say we got him at rock bottom price, I said he is "arguably at rock bottom price right now" and "we are buying in at the low end of his potential cost". This is based on having played only 11 games in the past 4 years, some well-documented off-field incidents and the fact that Madge is the only coach he's ever had.

You would have to assume that if Musgrove was playing good footy for several consecutive seasons, he'd be more expensive than he is right now.

Of course Tigers could be paying excessive or stupid money for Musgrove, but I doubt the market pressures or stupidity currently exist for that to happen. The extended contract occurred during the current management tenure (Pascoe / Madge / Hartigan), and typically we have been doing deals on the cheap within this tenure (even to the point of being accused of refusing to compete with other clubs on certain signatures).

 

[avocadoontoast]

I felt at the time it was a nervous knee jerk reaction by the club due to Dragons offering him about the same. 2yrs max at that stage would have been more than fair, possibly even 1yr with a 2nd in clubs favour given there was no real extended periods of form to gauge him off.


Depends on the value of the deal. If it's a long-term cheap extension, or with incentives for better / continued performance, then I am fine with that.

It's like Jimmy Jet - very little return in 2021, but at very low cost, so there's not much risk associated with it. Musgrove would be the same if he's not overly expensive but is locked in. Otherwise you are constantly rotating your backups every 2 years and you don't have much consistency of the system.

Clearly Madge knows Musgrove from his Souths days, brought him over, waited for his ban to conclude, then re-signed him: so Madge rates his potential long-term value. Musgrove is also arguably rock-bottom price right now, i.e. we are buying in at the low end of his potential cost.

It's the long-term high-cost signings we need to worry about. Musgrove is easily above reserve-grade level, so there's no argument that he cannot be a good backup option. These are "Benji-Lite" type deals where there capability of the player is established, and you agree to the cost/risk relationship of having them as backup, or potentially Top 17 if form / injuries warrant.

Bearing in mind also if we want to retain Stefano long-term and perhaps partner him with another notable prop, we are going to need much cheaper but decent-quality, reliable, in-system backups (if you are going to invest $700-900K on your top-tier prop).

So Musgrove is on a long term deal on over 400k, is that a low risk contract to you?

We don't know what he is on. We never will. I don't get into speculation about possible deal values. I'll let the club consider low / medium / high costs.

If you don't know what he is on how do you know we got him at "arguably rock bottom price"?

I didn't say we got him at rock bottom price, I said he is "arguably at rock bottom price right now" and "we are buying in at the low end of his potential cost". This is based on having played only 11 games in the past 4 years, some well-documented off-field incidents and the fact that Madge is the only coach he's ever had.

You would have to assume that if Musgrove was playing good footy for several consecutive seasons, he'd be more expensive than he is right now.

Of course Tigers could be paying excessive or stupid money for Musgrove, but I doubt the market pressures or stupidity currently exist for that to happen. The extended contract occurred during the current management tenure (Pascoe / Madge / Hartigan), and typically we have been doing deals on the cheap within this tenure (even to the point of being accused of refusing to compete with other clubs on certain signatures).

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there.

 

[jirskyr]

Brooks out, Taylor in whispers from the club... i don't know how i feel about this. There is no improvement.

where you hearing this from mate? very interesting if so.

westslifepod on twitter. his co-hosts are major sponsors of the club

Who are his co-hosts?

 

[cochise]

Brooks out, Taylor in whispers from the club... i don't know how i feel about this. There is no improvement.

where you hearing this from mate? very interesting if so.

westslifepod on twitter. his co-hosts are major sponsors of the club

Who are his co-hosts?

MG from MG Pump Solutions

 

[pawsandclaws1]

TITANIC PAY CUT: Former
@GCTitans
Ash Taylor is close to taking a $900,000 pay cut to continue his NRL career. He is set to sign a train-and-trial contract with
@NZWarriors
- taking his salary from $20,000/wk to just $1000/wk in the hope of securing a 2022 deal. #NRL
@cmail_sport

It seems the chess pieces are falling nicely into place for westslifepod!

 

[yeahcaz]

TITANIC PAY CUT: Former
@GCTitans
Ash Taylor is close to taking a $900,000 pay cut to continue his NRL career. He is set to sign a train-and-trial contract with
@NZWarriors
- taking his salary from $20,000/wk to just $1000/wk in the hope of securing a 2022 deal. #NRL
@cmail_sport

It seems the chess pieces are falling nicely into place for westslifepod!

Like as much as anyone, I’d prefer him in the halves round 1 than Brooks but it’s no massive loss is it

 

[Demps]

Lucy type deal


Contracted dragons player.

= Lomax.

🔥🔥🔥

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Nobody is coming here guys.

 

[swag_tiger]

Lucy type deal


Contracted dragons player.

= Lomax.

🔥🔥🔥

You sure like to toot your horn :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

 

[swag_tiger]

Nobody is coming here guys.

Let everyone enjoy themselves

 

[avocadoontoast]

Brooks out, Taylor in whispers from the club... i don't know how i feel about this. There is no improvement.

where you hearing this from mate? very interesting if so.

westslifepod on twitter. his co-hosts are major sponsors of the club

Who are his co-hosts?

MG from MG Pump Solutions

He’s got me pumped

 

[weststigerman]

Not surprised, the only people reporting that we were interested in Ash Taylor was WT supporters.

Given how much we leak, if we were interested in Ash Taylor every media outlet would have reported it by now.

 

[jirskyr]

Brooks out, Taylor in whispers from the club... i don't know how i feel about this. There is no improvement.

where you hearing this from mate? very interesting if so.

westslifepod on twitter. his co-hosts are major sponsors of the club

Who are his co-hosts?

MG from MG Pump Solutions

Does that give them an inside track?

I looked it up on the club website, they are "Players Club" sponsorship tier along with other organisations like APN Compounding, Murray Kennedy Real Estate, Pro Wrestling Australia, Mowing Away and The Meat Man.

 

[cochise]

Brooks out, Taylor in whispers from the club... i don't know how i feel about this. There is no improvement.

where you hearing this from mate? very interesting if so.

westslifepod on twitter. his co-hosts are major sponsors of the club

Who are his co-hosts?

MG from MG Pump Solutions

Does that give them an inside track?

I looked it up on the club website, they are "Players Club" sponsorship tier along with other organisations like APN Compounding, Murray Kennedy Real Estate, Pro Wrestling Australia, Mowing Away and The Meat Man.

No idea, was just answering your question lol

 

[avocadoontoast]

Not surprised, the only people reporting that we were interested in Ash Taylor was WT supporters.

Given how much we leak, if we were interested in Ash Taylor every media outlet would have reported it by now.

The lack of commentary from Lee had me doubting the rumours

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Lucy type deal


Contracted dragons player.

= Lomax.

🔥🔥🔥

It’s niukore from the eels, that’s what I reckon.

 

[yeahcaz]

Lucy type deal


Contracted dragons player.

= Lomax.

???

It’s niukore from the eels, that’s what I reckon.

That would be a pleasant surprise

 

[PJ_]

We can always upgrade some 16 year olds

 

[Harvey]

Braidon Burns to the bulldogs. 2 year deal (DT)

Can we get anyone? Someone is asleep at the wheel at this club

 

[Aceshigh]

Its gotta be Sims if still contracted , surely