Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[GNR4LIFE]

Also forgot to mention, considering 2 of the 3 have a history of injuries, it’s probably not all that wise to run with just two, when if one of them go down again with injury, Simpkin is left posted, when you can have all 3 on the books. Maybe Hodgson might shift to lock. It’s not the craziest idea.

 

[Madge]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

We need a backup fullback.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

We need a backup fullback.

Hard to argue with that.

 

[tigerap]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

Zac Cini

 

[TillLindemann]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

We need a backup fullback.

Hastings spent time at fullback this year - though I am hoping he will be staying in the halves.

 

[Devon Head]

Also forgot to mention, considering 2 of the 3 have a history of injuries, it’s probably not all that wise to run with just two, when if one of them go down again with injury, Simpkin is left posted, when you can have all 3 on the books. Maybe Hodgson might shift to lock. It’s not the craziest idea.

I can certainly see the value in it if there's enough roster spots available. If you only have a couple of spots left though are you willing to sacrifice other more pressing positions of need for a 3rd Hooker? Keeping in mind both Peachey and Hastings have both played 9 at times as well.

 

[Russell]

The Hodgson vs Api situation is very interesting. I am not saying this will happen I actually think it will fall through (knowing the tigers). But looking in as a fan Hodgson is definitely the better option long term if we can get rid of Liddle. Simpkin is a class hooker and has proved this in KOE and first grade. Our problem is and has been for a while is an 80 minute hooker. For me wasting a bench spot on a hooker or utility is silly especially for a team like the tigers. It needs to be 4 big men. I think Simpkin does need to be phased into 80 minutes but Hodgson is perfect for the whole team.
Hodgson is a leader and has the British connection with Hastings, Gildart and Sheens. Which you would think would tempt him to come. Only flaw for me is that he is injury prone but that is easily fixed. IE: Hastings, Simpkin and I would like to see Dockar-clay in the top 30.

In conclusion, in the long run and for the team you would think Hodgson is the wiser choice. With Simpkin at 14 to add attacking flare. But we will see how the meat head of Pascoe sorts this us.

As it stands, Liddle is streets ahead of Simpkin…
How anyone sees it does different is beyond me.
Simpkin may have more upside in the long run, I’ll think you might find Liddle does as well.
If Liddle and Madge don’t work - that may be a separate issue…
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Liddle end up at the chooks… he has time with the ball, he’s a bit underdone - and has some work to do… but you can’t buy time…

Liddle is a Hooker who can't pass accurately and has no kicking game. He's pretty limited and one dimensional. What's worse for him is he lacks the cardiovascular capacity to play a full game

Fantastic Insight... Thanks for that.
Well, Simpkin pales in comparison as an NRL player at this point - so I'd hate to see you express your thoughts on him.
He's a kid that's played a little footy with a tonne of potential, But so Is Liddle...

The people writing Liddle off (After his first full year in Grade - coming off a few years of injurys) Are probably the same people that defended Players like Lawrence for the Majority of his career.
Yes he gets gassed, The game has sped up a tonne in the last 18-24 months and he hasn't played much footy at all...
No, I'm not his mum - But there's a Footballer there... A bloody good one.
He has time with the ball and has broken at least a couple games for us in the last little while... By my reckoning, He'd have had 1 Pre-season in the last 3 years or more. If a young, 100kg Tommy Talau doesn't clumsily throw himself at a tackle he had no chance of effecting, It might be a whole different story.

If Hodgson comes - A Hodgson / Liddle rotation at 9/13 would be Killer....
Simpkin can fill in when one is out or as required. He's young, And signed until 2024, He has plenty of time to get ready for the demands of the NRL,
As it stands - He's no where near ready OR (in reality) anywhere near as good as Liddle..

Totally agree with what you say (except for your Lawrence comment), Liddle's passes would improve out of sight if he could get some quick play the ball, also some line speed to help with his defence. I believe he is working on his kicking game and with another full off season, should see him improve even further.

 

[GCfan]

Long term, he may be, but as of now, Simpkin isn’t a better player than Liddle, so why would Jacob think he’ll be the odd man out.

Maybe the rumours of Liddle not rating Madge could have something to do with it?

 

[PabloX]

@JC99 The issue in keeping both and also having Hodgo is the amount of roster spots taken up. As it stands if Hodgo joins and no one is moved on it would take the roster numbers to about 28 or 29. With only a top 30 you can't really afford to carry 3 hookers who all see themselves as starters.

Seriously? Only a year ago the storm had Smith, Smith and Grant all on their books...for three seasons

Comparing the Tigers to anything that Melb does is ridiculous tbh. Melb are a different animal when it comes to finding ways to fit guys in and they are gernational players you're talking about, not guys like Liddle, Simpkins and Hodgo. Grant spent a season with Tigers and prior to that had only played less than a handfull of games for Melb so that argument is basically invalid. Brandon largely used as a 13 as well or when Grant injured this season.

You're missing the point I made completey. I said we only have a couple of spots left in the top 30 available for next yr so unless someone is released to free up a spot or 2 then makes absolutely zero sense having 3 hookers in your top 30 when there is obvious need for a Centre, another Prop and another Backrower.

Each to their own, but personally I think we need all 3 hookers. Hodgson and Liddle have had a few injuries over the last couple of seasons and Simpkin is young and still learning his trade. We need depth in case of injuries.

Appreciate there are only a few spots remaining in our roster, but we've seen plenty of players change clubs in the off season. If necessary, I'm sure we can offload someone.

I also want the tigers to be more like the storm.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Long term, he may be, but as of now, Simpkin isn’t a better player than Liddle, so why would Jacob think he’ll be the odd man out.

Maybe the rumours of Liddle not rating Madge could have something to do with it?

That’s just it though. They are only rumours.

 

[Geo]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

First choice obviously but as we saw at the end of last year when he went down.. we struggled to replace him.. Mbye is gone..

Dillion while having potential is very young with zero games NRL experience..

Cini or Nofoaluma after that doesn't scream excitement to me.. Maybe Hastings as he has played there for Wigan..

It's a crucial position..

 

[Russell]

The Hodgson vs Api situation is very interesting. I am not saying this will happen I actually think it will fall through (knowing the tigers). But looking in as a fan Hodgson is definitely the better option long term if we can get rid of Liddle. Simpkin is a class hooker and has proved this in KOE and first grade. Our problem is and has been for a while is an 80 minute hooker. For me wasting a bench spot on a hooker or utility is silly especially for a team like the tigers. It needs to be 4 big men. I think Simpkin does need to be phased into 80 minutes but Hodgson is perfect for the whole team.
Hodgson is a leader and has the British connection with Hastings, Gildart and Sheens. Which you would think would tempt him to come. Only flaw for me is that he is injury prone but that is easily fixed. IE: Hastings, Simpkin and I would like to see Dockar-clay in the top 30.

In conclusion, in the long run and for the team you would think Hodgson is the wiser choice. With Simpkin at 14 to add attacking flare. But we will see how the meat head of Pascoe sorts this us.

As it stands, Liddle is streets ahead of Simpkin…
How anyone sees it does different is beyond me.
Simpkin may have more upside in the long run, I’ll think you might find Liddle does as well.
If Liddle and Madge don’t work - that may be a separate issue…
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Liddle end up at the chooks… he has time with the ball, he’s a bit underdone - and has some work to do… but you can’t buy time…

Liddle is a Hooker who can't pass accurately and has no kicking game. He's pretty limited and one dimensional. What's worse for him is he lacks the cardiovascular capacity to play a full game

Can't believe there were 3 ppl who downvoted this. I feel you've stated complete truth.

Liddle is developing a fan base much like Brooks... except Brooks fans bailed, I believe.

People are even starting to make rubbish excuses for Liddle.... "oh he fatigues that's why he struggles" for a start he's a professional player that's played over 50 games, he shouldn't be getting tired after 20 mins as a dummy half. Different if he's a prop

Secondly he can't pass! No matter what time of the game he manages to throw a pass at Brooks ankles or over Doueihis head.

Not saying he's completely rubbish and should be punted but it's pretty clear we need a lot more direction at hooker and if you're choosing one of Liddle or Simpkin to put time into and develop, you always choose Simpkin.

There's no harm in keeping both our current hookers AND signing Hodgson either

I vote to punt Simpkin - can't play 80, stands too much with hands on hips, ball hog.....Bye!

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

First choice obviously but as we saw at the end of last year when he went down.. we struggled to replace him.. Mbye is gone..

Dillion while having potential is very young with zero games NRL experience..

Cini or Nofoaluma after that doesn't scream excitement to me.. Maybe Hastings as he has played there for Wigan..

It's a crucial position..

Agree with all you have said.

 

[batboy]

@JC99 The issue in keeping both and also having Hodgo is the amount of roster spots taken up. As it stands if Hodgo joins and no one is moved on it would take the roster numbers to about 28 or 29. With only a top 30 you can't really afford to carry 3 hookers who all see themselves as starters.

Seriously? Only a year ago the storm had Smith, Smith and Grant all on their books...for three seasons

Comparing the Tigers to anything that Melb does is ridiculous tbh. Melb are a different animal when it comes to finding ways to fit guys in and they are gernational players you're talking about, not guys like Liddle, Simpkins and Hodgo. Grant spent a season with Tigers and prior to that had only played less than a handfull of games for Melb so that argument is basically invalid. Brandon largely used as a 13 as well or when Grant injured this season.

You're missing the point I made completey. I said we only have a couple of spots left in the top 30 available for next yr so unless someone is released to free up a spot or 2 then makes absolutely zero sense having 3 hookers in your top 30 when there is obvious need for a Centre, another Prop and another Backrower.

Each to their own, but personally I think we need all 3 hookers. Hodgson and Liddle have had a few injuries over the last couple of seasons and Simpkin is young and still learning his trade. We need depth in case of injuries.

Appreciate there are only a few spots remaining in our roster, but we've seen plenty of players change clubs in the off season. If necessary, I'm sure we can offload someone.

I also want the tigers to be more like the storm.

Considering Simpkin in still eligible for Jersey Flegg - there's Ressies and Firsts beyond that... Injuries and the like.
You're right, We need at least 3 Hookers

 

[avocadoontoast]

The Hodgson vs Api situation is very interesting. I am not saying this will happen I actually think it will fall through (knowing the tigers). But looking in as a fan Hodgson is definitely the better option long term if we can get rid of Liddle. Simpkin is a class hooker and has proved this in KOE and first grade. Our problem is and has been for a while is an 80 minute hooker. For me wasting a bench spot on a hooker or utility is silly especially for a team like the tigers. It needs to be 4 big men. I think Simpkin does need to be phased into 80 minutes but Hodgson is perfect for the whole team.
Hodgson is a leader and has the British connection with Hastings, Gildart and Sheens. Which you would think would tempt him to come. Only flaw for me is that he is injury prone but that is easily fixed. IE: Hastings, Simpkin and I would like to see Dockar-clay in the top 30.

In conclusion, in the long run and for the team you would think Hodgson is the wiser choice. With Simpkin at 14 to add attacking flare. But we will see how the meat head of Pascoe sorts this us.

As it stands, Liddle is streets ahead of Simpkin…
How anyone sees it does different is beyond me.
Simpkin may have more upside in the long run, I’ll think you might find Liddle does as well.
If Liddle and Madge don’t work - that may be a separate issue…
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Liddle end up at the chooks… he has time with the ball, he’s a bit underdone - and has some work to do… but you can’t buy time…

Liddle is a Hooker who can't pass accurately and has no kicking game. He's pretty limited and one dimensional. What's worse for him is he lacks the cardiovascular capacity to play a full game

Can't believe there were 3 ppl who downvoted this. I feel you've stated complete truth.

Liddle is developing a fan base much like Brooks... except Brooks fans bailed, I believe.

People are even starting to make rubbish excuses for Liddle.... "oh he fatigues that's why he struggles" for a start he's a professional player that's played over 50 games, he shouldn't be getting tired after 20 mins as a dummy half. Different if he's a prop

Secondly he can't pass! No matter what time of the game he manages to throw a pass at Brooks ankles or over Doueihis head.

Not saying he's completely rubbish and should be punted but it's pretty clear we need a lot more direction at hooker and if you're choosing one of Liddle or Simpkin to put time into and develop, you always choose Simpkin.

There's no harm in keeping both our current hookers AND signing Hodgson either

I vote to punt Simpkin - can't play 80, stands too much with hands on hips, ball hog.....Bye!

You've pretty much just described Liddle, but left out "can't pass".

 

[tig_prmz]

@THE_POM

Would love to know what the hierarchical structure is between McDonnel, Madge, Sheens, Kimmorley etc. What everyone's job descriptions are. It seems Hartigan dropped the ball a few times, who was in charge of making sure it doesn't happen and what have they done to rectify that (apart from firing him)..

I would say Sheens is the boss of the football department
Madge Coach
McDonnel scouting
Kimmorley part of the junior pathways development team.

Position descriptions can be very deceiving tbh. This organisation has a tendency to let people get complacent and then both parties crap on each other when the break up happens. I'm more interested in figuring out what structures are in place to ensure all of these men are hitting their targets.

Easy to just say oh Hartigan stuffed up, well why did he stuff up and whose job was it to make sure he doesn't?was he given enough support?

 

[The-moP]


Maybe Pascoe moonlights in here as a Moderator .. ?? ;-)

 

[Kelce68]

I'd be looking to find a Fullback before anything else..

What about Daino?

First choice obviously but as we saw at the end of last year when he went down.. we struggled to replace him.. Mbye is gone..

Dillion while having potential is very young with zero games NRL experience..

Cini or Nofoaluma after that doesn't scream excitement to me.. Maybe Hastings as he has played there for Wigan..

It's a crucial position..

I think it can be hard to plan for an out and out fullback to be a backup, with the best bet being someone who can play a role if your no. 1 goes down.

The best backups in the league may well be Crichton and Manu, both of which are centres who can play fb, rather than fbs themselves.

So, on that logic, I think AJ, Nofo, or even AD could fill a role if needs be. Remembering that this, by nature, is a backup plan.

From memory, AJ played some fb in Flegg and for Norths.

 

[Aceshigh]

How many props do we need ? We have Stef, Musgrove ,Twal,Tamou,Mikaele,Offa already and perhaps Seyfarth , i think we need a backrower and 2 outside backs preferably

 

[Wildcat777]

@JC99 The issue in keeping both and also having Hodgo is the amount of roster spots taken up. As it stands if Hodgo joins and no one is moved on it would take the roster numbers to about 28 or 29. With only a top 30 you can't really afford to carry 3 hookers who all see themselves as starters.

Seriously? Only a year ago the storm had Smith, Smith and Grant all on their books...for three seasons

True they did. But they also had a great backrow and good back line and a great defensive structure. We dont have that, and here lies the problem.