@coastie_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1519715) said:
I’m hoping Hastings goes alright he resurrected his career over there, his ability was always there for a better than average player but his attitude was the issue. It’s pretty apparent even he recognised that and was willing to give it an adjustment. My hope is him an Brookes gel Brooks isn’t a talker Hastings is, Brooks arguably has more ability but can’t talk.
Yeah, perfect example is the halves combination in 2014, one being probably the most loathed of all signings in Anasta and the other bolting in as rookie of the season. Braith didn't do much with the footy at all, with Brooks handling some 95% of it, but he did do the talking, guiding and pointing, and along with Potter let Luke do what he does naturally.
Was expecting Doueihi to be our six and shine there last season and still hope that he can, but now expect that the centre position will be his most suited position before moving on to being a backrower in the future. Sorry to upset some, but I increasingly see him similarly as a Sironen type. That being a half with some skills whose big body has got him through to grade, but not quite up to the next level in the halves. Again, hope that I was correct with my original assessment.
With Adam's injury and Peachey now on deck likely to fulfil the dynamic lock role, Hastings is definitely going to be a half and I truly think that his talk, tenacity and direction as a true half will allow Brooks to get on with his own.
Relevant to the thread, it has all gone very quiet on the rumours front.
Totally agree with you on AD - I’m glad someone finally said it…
He’s too big and slow for the halves, he’s still young, he’ll have to learn to defend a bit better and he’ll get to the back row (possibly even lock) but he needs to accept that and move forward…
I only wonder if he’ll kill it like like Lewis - or break down?
But that’s where he needs to set his sights - he’ll get left behind if he tries to make a career of 6
His best career footy has been at 6, all his best attributes are those of a 6. He's 23 and had injury problems, let's let him develop at 6 because he's showed massive promise there. Wasted out at centre barely touching the footy and he's too slim for the forwards.
Nah, I think his future is in the back row/lock.
Hard question his best position.
Good at a few positions master at none at this point.
Would need a lot of development to make it in the forwards. Size improved defence ect.
He's bigger than Radley, Murray, McInness....
Has the size, Provided he makes the move ASAP,
Defence is his biggest issue, That may improve in the middle though - Bit easier to read.
And JC99, Some would argue (myself included) his best Footy was played at 1 - For Souths...
He carried them into that final series... That forms what we bought him on.
He only played a handful of games for them at the back that year in a much superior team.... over the whole season it was his best ever year and it was at 6. He was in great form when he got moved out of 6 and did really well when he got moved back to 6
Who cares if he's big, doesn't mean he HAS to be moved, seems the only reason people want to move him. He's 23, maybe when he's closer to 30 he can be moved but that's a while away. Moving our best player to a position where his best skills are weakened just makes no sense.
We have a very good 6 on our hands let's develop him there. Good halves are hard to come by, there's an abundance of good back rowers or middles available. We already signed Papali'i
It's not the only reason, He's Big - And Slow...
And coming back from another mobility issue
(He's not getting faster or more agile)
His best skill is his Ball Running - And tackle busting ability.
He might be our best 6 last year, But this year he could well be our best back rower.
He's not even slow ? he's not electric but he's not slow, certainly not forward slow. You don't know how he will fare from his surgery either, Teddy did his knee and still moves real good.
The obsession with moving players into positions they aren't built for and have literally never played before needs to stop.
Put him into the back row and you expose his defensive issues more than ever, you take away majority of his ball playing, you take away his kicking game and his running game will suffer because instead of running with room he's carting it up as a forward most of the time and getting less footy near the line!
From a football standpoint, makes absolutely no sense. You're taking our best player and weakening his best attributes for no reason. When he was at centre it killed us in close games because instead of him touching the footy when it mattered, Brooks and Mbye were. Who would even play 6 in his spot? And please don't say Laurie ?
He's slow of the mark, Slower than most back rowers these days
Teddy didn't do 2 ACL's in the same knee
It's not an obsession, It's where players of his size / Dynamic wind up - Sutton, Sironen, Matterson - Even Wally Lewis played loose forward... It's been happening since forever. (For good reason)
Haven't you been dribbling over Hastings for the best part of 6 months? Maybe he can take his spot?
Doueihi isn't close to the size of any of those players you mentioned... he's way more mobile than all of them and has shown a much wider range of skills. **Sutton only moved to 5/8 later in his career and Matterson and Sironen struggled in the halves before they made the NRL or after a few games**. Doueihi has already proven to be an effective 6, your comparisons are very very loose.
Hastings is a 7 much more than a 6. Ideally he's halfback and Doueihi 6. Moving him cause hes bigger than your average half is such a bad reason, especially after he's already showing how good he can be.
Literally none of what you've said there is factual..
Sutton started in the Centres / 5/8 went to Back Row around Sandow (Maybe Wing) years - Then back to 5/8 basically, until the emergence of Keary. - Even the premiership year (2014) he was at 5/8 a bunch!!
Sironen had so much time with the ball coming through at 5/8, Even coming to grade - He went well in the halves (For a Baby)
Matterson was great coming through in the Halves - He just outgrew the position.
I try hard to respect what you say....
Hard to keep doing when you keep fabricating it on the run.
Sutton was moved to 5/8 when he established himself and played mostly there until he got a bit older and was moved back to second row as he got older and slower. In his prime, was mostly a 5/8
Sironen went okay in the halves for a brief period before being moved to second row, he barely played 10 games at 5/8 and was moved because he wasn't good enough - Doueihi has been a standout there in comparison.
If Matterson was good enough of a 5/8 he would've stayed there - him not being a standout there plus being very big means you move him. Doueihi is way more skilful and not nearly as big
Anyway we aren't going to agree. Sounds like Doueihi was going to play 5/8 this year anyway considering they've talked about Hastings covering his spot while he's injured
You're right - We won't agree....
Especially when you keep making outlandish comments...
FYI - 30 of Suttons first 38 games were starting at 5/8
How exactly do you figure he was "established" before his move to the halves?
