Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[hank37w]

He needs some aggression, maybe married life will help him with that.

That's all we need, another woman basher at the club. 🤣

 

[weststigerman]

I know it's all the rage on here to slam Bateman but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as people make out on here and much better then Porter. Look I think it's prob not going to work out him staying but he was not the problem - his only genuinely poor game was his last one when the relationship fell apart and honestly if a senior player was angry at how the club was being run well we did come last 3 years in a row so mayby he was right

Nothing to do with what's all the rage. Defensively Bateman gave away too many penalties and a few crucial ones, and a number of crucial missed tackles.

Looking at the stats, they seem to back up the eye test.

Games
Bateman 12
Porter 8

Errors
Bateman 11
Porter 0

Try Causes
Bateman 7
Porter 2

Penalties Conceded
Bateman 8
Porter 4

Runs/Metres
Bateman 11/81
Porter 8/68

On top of that he's having a go at the coach in front of the players. I hope he's gone before November 1.

 

[hank37w]

Manly are mulling over a move for English back-rower John Bateman as they look to save him from the threat of NRL purgatory at the Wests Tigers.

I would think that if Manly are thinking about taking on Bateman that they have most likely been mulling up and using a way too strong mix of Marijuana in their bongs.

 

[hank37w]

Can't blame Manly for thinking they can make use of an ex Tiger seems to be working for them so far.

They were certainly on a winner with Woodsy.

 

[batboy]

??? What has that got to do with anything ? It’s hard for anyone to justify his form this past year . It’s no different to QLD picking players who have been borderline dropped by thier NRL team . Like Gagai at times in his career .
Doesn’t mean thier club form wasn’t shit though , no matter how they play in that game .

Are there any forwards that played better this year under their new WT's coach this year?
Stefano went from being a future captain to a reserve grader - Api lost his origin spot also didn't he?
Rumours Klemmer is also not happy....

Maybe it's not them?

 

[88]

Yes the international back rower who's shown nothing but ill discipline, reckless aggression, failed leadership qualities, taking piss weak shots at the club on his Instagram & player interviews & then undermined his Head Coach in front of the playing group.

And also would be on probably 2.5-3 times what Sione would be signed for

 

[tigermate]

Richo is moving behind the scenes
the early release for large is a factor here
batemen has been told he will likely start the season in nsw cup

the tigers are willing to chip in but nowhere near 200k

@kade7 what does that mean - large is a factor?

 

[jrtiger]

@kade7 what does that mean - large is a factor?

we released him early to Manly when we could've easily just kept him and made things difficult. we've overseen a lot of his development to this point. despite the fact that he's yet to play first grade and far from the finished article, right now he's a blue chip stock.

bit of we scratched your back, time to scratch ours.

 

[Nonotmeagain]

we released him early to Manly when we could've easily just kept him and made things difficult. we've overseen a lot of his development to this point. despite the fact that he's yet to play first grade and far from the finished article, right now he's a blue chip stock.

bit of we scratched your back, time to scratch ours.

Why would Manly consider that at all relevant.

 

[The Chad]

I know it's all the rage on here to slam Bateman but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as people make out on here and much better then Porter. Look I think it's prob not going to work out him staying but he was not the problem - his only genuinely poor game was his last one when the relationship fell apart and honestly if a senior player was angry at how the club was being run well we did come last 3 years in a row so mayby he was right

Much like Klemmer, Bateman has a number of people on this forum who will only see the negative. I get it- he's a polarizing personality, and apparently we should feel aggrieved by the money someone other than ourselves pays him. 🙂

Porter is the perfect KOE type player. Works hard & will always be genuine in his effort. Bateman is just a better player.

That said, if he doesn't want to be here, it's absolutely best for the club to move him on. We don't want prisoners, we want volunteers.

Replacing Bateman will require another defender that can take on attacking players without the help of 12 mates to bring the runner to ground. This was where Bateman was good. He's a surprisingly strong player & didn't need half the defence to assist him in taking down a runner.

I would assume the club has options in mind if Bateman does move on.

 

[rex2ce]

No swap is mentioned

That’s right , we never get anything in return

 

[The Chad]

Nothing to do with what's all the rage. Defensively Bateman gave away too many penalties and a few crucial ones, and a number of crucial missed tackles.

Looking at the stats, they seem to back up the eye test.

Games
Bateman 12
Porter 8

Errors
Bateman 11
Porter 0

Try Causes
Bateman 7
Porter 2

Penalties Conceded
Bateman 8
Porter 4

Runs/Metres
Bateman 11/81
Porter 8/68

On top of that he's having a go at the coach in front of the players. I hope he's gone before November 1.

As I am consistantly reminded- stats don't tell a full story. I think Porter is EXACTLY the type of player our KOE should be populated with- guys that can step in, do the job & put the effort in.

He's not a physical as Bateman, doesn't really take players down 1-on-1 the same way. And other than 1 good break, probably doesn't offer the attack Bateman does. But he's a great example of how a misfit player elsewhere doesn't mean an incompetent player.

 

[Lestronge]

Are there any forwards that played better this year under their new WT's coach this year?
Stefano went from being a future captain to a reserve grader - Api lost his origin spot also didn't he?
Rumours Klemmer is also not happy....

Maybe it's not them?

Pole, fainu , both of them , seyfarth, I’d argue ice had a much better year than previous ? Is that enough ?
once again , if your personal form is dependant on a coach , then you’ve got bigger issues to deal with . you’re either a system player so incapable of playing outside of it , or you’re a head case .
running hard , tackling hard , getting a quick ply the ball, are dependant on yourself . They don’t change from u7s to nrl . The other stuff, like structures nd what not , are different .
no one I. Their right mind can say it looked like th structures were betraying john Bateman . He was a petulant child all year

 

[Needaname]

I struggle to find the positives in paying them to play for a top 8 side....
also struggling to find a better player we could pay with the money we'd save...

Hang on, We've got Tumeth (Who barely stands out in 20's)

I remember when Penrith moved RCG, DWZ and Waga Blake on to new clubs mid season costing them around 300k a season for the remainder of their contracts. (Roughly 3 more years).
That kind of money of the 2019 cap would equate to almost 600k on next years cap.
Anyway it didn’t seem to impact them in either ongoing retention of preferred players OR recruitment (API, Capewell, Tetevano) joined not long after..
Trust the process?

 

[PabloX]

I'd offer nene MacDonald a train and trial

 

[batboy]

I remember when Penrith moved RCG, DWZ and Waga Blake on to new clubs mid season costing them around 300k a season for the remainder of their contracts. (Roughly 3 more years).
That kind of money of the 2019 cap would equate to almost 600k on next years cap.
Anyway it didn’t seem to impact them in either ongoing retention of preferred players OR recruitment (API, Capewell, Tetevano) joined not long after..
Trust the process?

I remember that window of time for Penrith as well....
I also remember that we've been at it since about 2012!!

Whatever the process is - It's taking WT's much (much) Longer.

 

[bptiger 0]

Much like Klemmer, Bateman has a number of people on this forum who will only see the negative. I get it- he's a polarizing personality, and apparently we should feel aggrieved by the money someone other than ourselves pays him. 🙂

Porter is the perfect KOE type player. Works hard & will always be genuine in his effort. Bateman is just a better player.

That said, if he doesn't want to be here, it's absolutely best for the club to move him on. We don't want prisoners, we want volunteers.

Replacing Bateman will require another defender that can take on attacking players without the help of 12 mates to bring the runner to ground. This was where Bateman was good. He's a surprisingly strong player & didn't need half the defence to assist him in taking down a runner.

I would assume the club has options in mind if Bateman does move on.

Really , well I don’t think hunt and bird cover Stepo and ice , and the fact we have not heard any more likely recruits, makes me wonder could we replace Bateman or KLEMMER , if we don’t get 3 more forwards we are stuffed , and that’s without Bateman or KLEMMER leaving

 

[jadtiger]

I remember that window of time for Penrith as well....
I also remember that we've been at it since about 2012!!

Whatever the process is - It's taking WT's much (much) Longer.

Most of our failures i put on the board and the people that they appoint to positions of power.We have still yet to see what the changes at the end of 2023 have made (too late to change our direction for 2024 when it was made).
I must admit however that still having Dennis and Julie in positions of power worries me no end

 

[Mccarry]

Spoken by someone who’s clearly never been married

I did chuckle at this...

Then I remembered the 3 years I lived in Africa and experienced society without marriage embedded in specific cultural/ethnic groups. Man that was eye opening. Specially how important marriage is in regulating the behavior of young men.

 

[HowDugWT]

I am not going to sugar coat it. I hate John Bateman, He is the exact person the tigers don't need atm
Big money, big ego yet he doesn't perform. Honestly he has provided nothing positive since coming to the tigers and I couldn't care less if he left even if he performed after being let go.
He needs to be shown the door asap.

I prefer Porter