Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Big Royce played nearly every game off the bench for the first 12 or so games then started (when Pole got injured) against Cowboys and Souths.

Got dropped and has played KOE cup mostly since then.

Quite a mystery because he played quite well for the first dozen games off the bench. His form went south when he started.

I still think he offers us something off the bench but he’s not and hasn’t been a big minutes player
 
Vicious said:
I am really struggling to see any real theory behind our overall recruitment and retention.
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not really sure how you're struggling to see what they're doing. they're recruiting depth in places where it has been skinny previously.

Mavrik Geyer and Ethan Roberts are effectively replacements for Tumeth and Matamua. in Geyer we have a player that is stuck behind two internationals and one more experienced head that's looking for an opportunity. he'll do a job when called upon, will come cheap, and has plenty to prove with only a 12 month contract.

Roberts is a junior star stuck behind a plethora of backrowers at the Chooks who has immense pedigree and potential, but needs time and space to develop. we're talking about a player that was getting about Harold Matthews as a 15-year-old. Richardson clearly rates him given he's tried to poach him a few times when he was at Souths.

as for Madden, we're in dire need of a backup half. we can't rely on Mason and/or Falls, simple as that. we get a player back who knows the club inside out, who Benji is aware of and is willing to be a backup. our Cup side will benefit immeasurably from his inclusion and he'll do a job when called upon for firsts.

providing we can re-sign Doueihi, upgrade Taylan and look at either Mapapalangi or a Hiroti or Allan, we're pretty much set with still one spot left to fill on the roster. no doubt we'll be sniffing around for an enforcer to lead the pack, and we'll have the money to do it.
 
2041 said:
But none of the things you're talking about would be solved by a draft. In theory, clubs can already negotiate whatever they want if another club tries to sign a player who is under contract - money, player exchange, whatever. The reason it doesn't happen isn't because there aren't draft picks to offer, it's because contracts actually aren't worth that much as leverage for all the reasons we've seen. Isaac Moses made it very clear that either Galvin got released right away or he was going to make the next 18 months completely unworkable for the Tigers up to and including workplace bullying allegations.

Long story short, the Bulldogs didn't offer anything for Galvin because they didn't have to. Giving them something they could in theory have offered if they'd wanted to wouldn't change that.

As I said in my original post, the reason there isn't more of this sort of thing in AFL is nothing to do with the draft: it's because of the incredibly restrictive contracts the AFL forces its players to accept. It's a completely different situation when a player isn't allowed to be even a restricted free agent until they've been at a club for eight years.
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I agree to a point, though my whole argument with the current system is we assume it's the best we can do. Imo I'd prefer the draft system, though a soft cap could work as well. My main point is the game needs to look at doing something to sort the issue out.
 
jrtiger said:
not really sure how you're struggling to see what they're doing. they're recruiting depth in places where it has been skinny previously.

Mavrik Geyer and Ethan Roberts are effectively replacements for Tumeth and Matamua. in Geyer we have a player that is stuck behind two internationals and one more experienced head that's looking for an opportunity. he'll do a job when called upon, will come cheap, and has plenty to prove with only a 12 month contract.

Roberts is a junior star stuck behind a plethora of backrowers at the Chooks who has immense pedigree and potential, but needs time and space to develop. we're talking about a player that was getting about Harold Matthews as a 15-year-old. Richardson clearly rates him given he's tried to poach him a few times when he was at Souths.

as for Madden, we're in dire need of a backup half. we can't rely on Mason and/or Falls, simple as that. we get a player back who knows the club inside out, who Benji is aware of and is willing to be a backup. our Cup side will benefit immeasurably from his inclusion and he'll do a job when called upon for firsts.

providing we can re-sign Doueihi, upgrade Taylan and look at either Mapapalangi or a Hiroti or Allan, we're pretty much set with still one spot left to fill on the roster. no doubt we'll be sniffing around for an enforcer to lead the pack, and we'll have the money to do it.
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This ids the first time in a long time I feel our recruitment has placed as much importance on our depth as our first grade signings.
 
Vicious said:
If we are not considering Douehi is a halfback option moving forward which seems to be the case based on our lowball offer, I would be much more confident in having Cogger or Schneider challenging for our NRL 7 jersey.
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You're probably right, though the gap isn't a chasm in my opinion. I think Sean O'Sullivan, as part of that earlier trio, is far more on par with Jock than not. He's had a rough couple of years, both form wise and with injury.

I think the Madden signing is sufficient. Had the inside running from being familiar with the club too I'd say.
 
jrtiger said:
not really sure how you're struggling to see what they're doing. they're recruiting depth in places where it has been skinny previously.

Mavrik Geyer and Ethan Roberts are effectively replacements for Tumeth and Matamua. in Geyer we have a player that is stuck behind two internationals and one more experienced head that's looking for an opportunity. he'll do a job when called upon, will come cheap, and has plenty to prove with only a 12 month contract.

Roberts is a junior star stuck behind a plethora of backrowers at the Chooks who has immense pedigree and potential, but needs time and space to develop. we're talking about a player that was getting about Harold Matthews as a 15-year-old. Richardson clearly rates him given he's tried to poach him a few times when he was at Souths.

as for Madden, we're in dire need of a backup half. we can't rely on Mason and/or Falls, simple as that. we get a player back who knows the club inside out, who Benji is aware of and is willing to be a backup. our Cup side will benefit immeasurably from his inclusion and he'll do a job when called upon for firsts.

providing we can re-sign Doueihi, upgrade Taylan and look at either Mapapalangi or a Hiroti or Allan, we're pretty much set with still one spot left to fill on the roster. no doubt we'll be sniffing around for an enforcer to lead the pack, and we'll have the money to do it.
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Well I’m far from convinced Jock Madden is, or can be as effective as a 7 at NRL level as what Jack Cogger or Brad Schneider are and they are also bigger, stronger bodies who would both be much more suitable to fill in or play 9 if required.
Both Navrik Geyer and Ethan Roberts are decent depth options, but we now have 6 edge back rowers in our top 30 and that’s not including Seyfarth who has played there for the majority of this season.
We don’t need 6 edge back rowers in our top 30 and out of the 6 it is only really Saukuru who you would say is flexible enough to play edge back row or centres if required.
 
Vicious said:
Well I’m far from convinced Jock Madden is, or can be as effective as a 7 at NRL level as what Jack Cogger or Brad Schneider are and they are also bigger, stronger bodies who would both be much more suitable to fill in or play 9 if required.
Both Navrik Geyer and Ethan Roberts are decent depth options, but we now have 6 edge back rowers in our top 30 and that’s not including Seyfarth who has played there for the majority of this season.
We don’t need 6 edge back rowers in our top 30 and out of the 6 it is only really Saukuru who you would say is flexible enough to play edge back row or centres if required.
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It remains to be seen if both the signings are top 30. IF they are then yes we probably have 1 too many. I’m saying that though Sukkar and Geyer are only signed until 26.

Seyfarth has proven time and time again he sucks on the edge.
 
weststigerman said:
It remains to be seen if both the signings are top 30. IF they are then yes we probably have 1 too many. I’m saying that though Sukkar and Geyer are only signed until 26.

Seyfarth has proven time and time again he sucks on the edge.
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TBH i hope they are cup signings see how they get on in pre season and early rounds can always upgrade, a lot harder to downgrade.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
Remember when he put that big chase on Zac Lomax in our round 2 win against the Eels showing his speed! I feel something happened after that win against the Sharks as his form seemed to drop after that game.

Differing reports that his fitness measures weren't up to scratch, his knee had been causing aggravation & that he had a rib problem (his own, not eating ribs), maybe all of the above.

Rather than write off a player, hopefully Benji and the S&C team can work with Royce to get whatever right for a big off & pre-season of fitness. A fit and firing Royce for 20-25 mins a game offers us something we don't have!
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I was speaking to someone from the Sharks on the weekend. Big Roycey is not a great trainer apparently. Perhaps not shocking news.
 
Nah I reckon Jerome would be calling for the ball non stop! Doubie just had to run good lines from ten out and he would have scored heaps, he is big enough to do damage. Pity he only shows it at contract time.
Look I like Doubie, but we shouldn’t pay overs. We need to lock up May and get a player in Treys style and age. He would flourish here at lock.
 
Vicious said:
It’s depressing as all of them are better than Jock Madden.
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I was surprised with thst signing considering we have Bud in same position that we're paying 80% of his wage throw in Maddens wage to do the same thing. If Wayne plays him I can't see why we couldn't put good coaching into bud he's only a pup with potential. Sorry can't work this out for the life of me
 
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