Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

On a tangent with this suggestion & I get that Pat Richards has recently been employed as an Operations type manager in the Football Dept, but the Club should approach Penrith Head of Football Shane Elford to come across to become GM of Football.

There is no GM of Football with us atm with Shaun Mielekamp now appointed full-time CEO.

Keeps the 2005 band happy & straight away will see deficiencies in our entire football and strength & conditioning program from his experience at the greatest club in the modern era.

Thoughts?
 
balmain boy said:
Half the players who listed under Wests were actually Balmain juniors, I think this has been clearly pointed out.

The definition of what age does a player gets counted as one of our junior products is also valid.
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I am just going off what the Wests Tigers website says and obviously misidentified some like Seyfarth - you would know better than I would. Put a better list together and why or why not players are considered Wests/Balmain/Juniors or Pathways.

For example, I'd consider Jock a Pathways player rather than a Junior, but Seyfarth is a genuine Balmain junior. However, I still see both as coming through different veins of our system that falls under a catch-all term of "Junior Development"

Why does it matter?
1. I am a bit tired of hearing the South West doesn't get any investment, is neglected or "not respected".
2. If players are not graduating from the South West, is it as big a nursery as everyone says it is?
3. If it is a big nursery, who are the players that graduated to NRL and why are they playing at other clubs? It can't be as simple as "neglect" or lack of "respect". Is it that we are sharing a region with 3 other clubs and when you split the population - we don't have access to as many kids and we think we do?
4. Is the South West "growth area" story even real outside of sheer population numbers - are kids playing rugby league? Are other clubs more attractive? If so, what attracts them to Parra/Bulldogs/Penrith. The ARLC will have you believe there are 1.1 million players in Australia - when you remove all the touch footy and female anf K-2 participation, the pool of players gets very small very quickly particularly when you consider many of those kids will NOT being playing in the South West. The 2025 report is here: ALRC 2025 Participation Report
5. Lastly, as I said - what do we consider a local junior and a pathways player? (do we even distinguish?) - what is the criteria so we can look at what is and isn't happening based on that criteria.

We all have a theory, but it needs to be grounded on some agreed foundations.

This is a bigger discussion than my list.
 
weststigers said:
I am just going off what the Wests Tigers website says and obviously misidentified some like Seyfarth - you would know better than I would. Put a better list together and why or why not players are considered Wests/Balmain/Juniors or Pathways.

For example, I'd consider Jock a Pathways player rather than a Junior, but Seyfarth is a genuine Balmain junior. However, I still see both as coming through different veins of our system that falls under a catch-all term of "Junior Development"

Why does it matter?
1. I am a bit tired of hearing the South West doesn't get any investment, is neglected or "not respected".
2. If players are not graduating from the South West, is it as big a nursery as everyone says it is?
3. If it is a big nursery, who are the players that graduated to NRL and why are they playing at other clubs? It can't be as simple as "neglect" or lack of "respect". Is it that we are sharing a region with 3 other clubs and when you split the population - we don't have access to as many kids and we think we do?
4. Is the South West "growth area" story even real outside of sheer population numbers - are kids playing rugby league? Are other clubs more attractive? If so, what attracts them to Parra/Bulldogs/Penrith. The ARLC will have you believe there are 1.1 million players in Australia - when you remove all the touch footy and female anf K-2 participation, the pool of players gets very small very quickly particularly when you consider many of those kids will NOT being playing in the South West. The 2025 report is here: ALRC 2025 Participation Report
5. Lastly, as I said - what do we consider a local junior and a pathways player? (do we even distinguish?) - what is the criteria so we can look at what is and isn't happening based on that criteria.

We all have a theory, but it needs to be grounded on some agreed foundations.

This is a bigger discussion than my list.
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Firstly your post is too long, so I am not going to read it.
Secondly Bugs Bunny could understand if we had more players in our NRL team from the South-West, of course it would connect better with the South-West region and get more fans from that region interested in Wests Tigers which would translate to better crowds on a more regular basis.
Like it or not, there is a perception that Wests Tigers do not really care about the South-West or its players and when you see how many South-West juniors are playing NRL for other clubs, it’s hard to argue against it.
If Wests Tigers expect to get better support in the South-West, this will need to be considered and fixedi moving forward.
 
Vicious said:
Firstly your post is too long, so I am not going to read it.
Secondly Bugs Bunny could understand if we had more players in our NRL team from the South-West, of course it would connect better with the South-West region and get more fans from that region interested in Wests Tigers which would translate to better crowds on a more regular basis.
Like it or not, there is a perception that Wests Tigers do not really care about the South-West or its players and when you see how many South-West juniors are playing NRL for other clubs, it’s hard to argue against it.
If Wests Tigers expect to get better support in the South-West, this will need to be considered and fixedi moving forward.
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If you didn't read my post, then you have no business making any comment on it, so I didn't read yours either.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
On a tangent with this suggestion & I get that Pat Richards has recently been employed as an Operations type manager in the Football Dept, but the Club should approach Penrith Head of Football Shane Elford to come across to become GM of Football.

There is no GM of Football with us atm with Shaun Mielekamp now appointed full-time CEO.

Keeps the 2005 band happy & straight away will see deficiencies in our entire football and strength & conditioning program from his experience at the greatest club in the modern era.

Thoughts?
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Their conditioning even thru the grades is so far beyond every other club it’d be a no brainer. Pat Richards was a ridiculous appointment
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
On a tangent with this suggestion & I get that Pat Richards has recently been employed as an Operations type manager in the Football Dept, but the Club should approach Penrith Head of Football Shane Elford to come across to become GM of Football.

There is no GM of Football with us atm with Shaun Mielekamp now appointed full-time CEO.

Keeps the 2005 band happy & straight away will see deficiencies in our entire football and strength & conditioning program from his experience at the greatest club in the modern era.

Thoughts?
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Elford seems very well loved at Penrith.
Think our guy, Farah, would be a more likely move.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
On a tangent with this suggestion & I get that Pat Richards has recently been employed as an Operations type manager in the Football Dept, but the Club should approach Penrith Head of Football Shane Elford to come across to become GM of Football.

There is no GM of Football with us atm with Shaun Mielekamp now appointed full-time CEO.

Keeps the 2005 band happy & straight away will see deficiencies in our entire football and strength & conditioning program from his experience at the greatest club in the modern era.

Thoughts?
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I think it would be great, especially since the club is employing all the old boys with “tigers dna and spirit” at least he’s proven unlike richards
 
Vicious said:
I rate Logan Spinks as a huge prospect, but how does he have better regular NRL opportunities with us when he is a left edge second rower?
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As I said before , I think Samuel said he wanted to become a middle player , but him at lock , real to front row , and if Spinks is any good he can play left side , there is ways to fit people into spots u just got to look
 
Demps said:
Elford seems very well loved at Penrith.
Think our guy, Farah, would be a more likely move.
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Just think for a football GM role, Elford has the runs on the board plus the blueprint for success. Richards can work under him.

Farah, apart from assistant coach, hasn't worked in the admin of a footy department. I'd almost look at Farah for a commercial or a business development role in the club first under Lang.
 
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