Sirro...another Benji??

[innsaneink]

Will Sheens break young Curtis too?

Its clear benjis body wasnt ready for NRL when he kicked off.

Sirros is 18, young, had a handful of games and a couple of serious injuries already….not to mention plenty prior to NRL.

Is Sheens rushing him, is his body up to it?

Desperate men do and say desperate things..... :crazy

"We've beaten every side in front of us, so we're not afraid of anyone.

 

[russelldp]

Yeah - sheens ruined Laurie Daley as well. And Alfie Langer should not have played Origin till he was at least 29.

I'm sorry Ink, but blaming Sheens for Sirro's injury is a very long bow
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[innsaneink]

Whats langer got to do with it?
Did daley have multiple surgeries in his first few years?

 

[TigerFlame]

Might aswell blame sheens for tedesco..

 

[tiger-stripes]

You can't even begin to physically compare Marshall at 18 to Sironen.
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[innsaneink]

Dislocated the shoulder that he had already had reconstructed.

You can't even begin to physically compare Marshall at 18 to Sironen.

You wont be able to physically compare both at 30 too, Im sure.

Gee some people here really miss the point

 

[tigerbalm]

Bit rough to blame sheens for that? Are you saying if he had 250 games under his belt he would have gone in to the tackle different? And to compare siro's body to marshal at the same age is plain stupid. Shit unfortunately happens.
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[innsaneink]

Are you saying if he had 250 games under his belt he would have gone in to the tackle different?

Its not the point, but you could almost guarantee it….

So people think Sirros finished growing, that he has an NRL frame?
Just because he's larger and taller than benji at the same age - thats not the point - each is an individual and Im worried Sirro may not be ready physically for F/T NRL
And its not like Sheens has never made the same mistake more than once.

 

[andrew 474]

we have had truck loads of injuries over a long period , we need to look into who is preping our guys , clean them out and find ones who have been involved at fg level and bring them to the tigers , and yes if that means , skando , leeds ect get punted , so be it , jobs for the boys can not work all the time

 

[cktiger]

He could just as easily hurt it tackling someone in the 20's - like he did the first time.
Footballers get hurt - it's part of their life.
Sure his body will develop further , but what's he supposed to do until then?

 

[system]

It is an issue that faces all NRL clubs. Once a younger player has one major injury how do you go about bringing them back through in a way that gives them maximum chance of not reinjuring.

It was a bad fluke for Curtis and the culmination of many factors

 

[innsaneink]

He could just as easily hurt it tackling someone in the 20's - like he did the first time.
Footballers get hurt - it's part of their life.
Sure his body will develop further , but what's he supposed to do until then?

What they did until not too long ago is bring young guys into first grade - slowly - thru reserves

Development has turned into 'thrown into the deep end'
How long did he have in the 20's?
Half a year

I might be wrong

 

[cktiger]

Not long ago everybody was saying if you're good enough it doesn't matter how old you are.
Unfortunately the game has changed and if you show early promise you are generally thrown in the deep end faster.
The pace of the game in firsts is what gets them - they still have the same collisions in the 20's but the constant speed of first grade takes its toll.
You only have to look back to Tedesco and Moltzen before him (and throw in Benji) to see it sometimes pushes their body too far.
With Sironen they most likely thought his size would be a buffer.
Didn't turn out to be.

 

[kh_canada]

Sironen is eligible for NYC and plays so well - not sure he and Benji is a good pairing anyway. But it's not sheens fault for his injury however I don't know why he hasn't thought about investing in a halfback already who is first grade material
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[LaT]

No, Sheens won't break Curtis.

 

[Snake]

Sirro put his hand up and is a lump of a lad but obviously has shoulder issues no ones fault back to sq one for Sirro has youth on his side .Shades of Benji but could be a problem moving into the forwards for him just might not have the shoulders for it time will tell .I had a couple of mates around the same age as Sirro back in the day these guys could tackle a car going 60 and it wouldn't of bothered them…. just the persons body is the issue some can take a hammering others can't.

 

[Centaur]

We can't have it both ways.

Sironen was holding his own and looked a player who could take us into the finals - he definitely didn't look like a player out of his depth. I don't recall many people screaming for him to be dropped because he wasn't ready.

Sheens can't be blamed for the injury after the fact. Obviously Sironen's body isn't as strong as a player with a few more years under the belt - but we really were in a situation that required a risk to be taken with a young player. It was an unlucky dislocation that could happen to many players in the NRL.

This seems more like a personal agenda against Sheens than anything else.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will Sheens break young Curtis too?

Its clear benjis body wasnt ready for NRL when he kicked off.

Sirros is 18, young, had a handful of games and a couple of serious injuries already….not to mention plenty prior to NRL.

Is Sheens rushing him, is his body up to it?

**Desperate men do and say desperate things.....** :crazy

"We've beaten every side in front of us, so we're not afraid of anyone.

I know you attributed this specifically to the quote you posted after, but that really sums Sheens intention with introducing a rookie halfway through a season when you clearly have other options. Only desperation would see him overlook a tried and tested halves combination of Moltzen and Marshall (which, lets face it, Moltzen has a pretty good track record there,) and opt for an under 20's player whose future looks as though it lies in the second row somewhere. Humble/Marshall, Chisholm/Marshall could have worked, especially since both have seen first grade action prior to Curtis debuting.

Conversely though, he sticks with players like Reddy… A bog average ordinary first grader whilst overlooking a players in Koroibete, Nofoaluma, Grant and Simona and continues to ruin one of the best ball running pivots the game has seen in recent years.

He's a bloody enigma sometimes.

 

[Centaur]

Will Sheens break young Curtis too?

Its clear benjis body wasnt ready for NRL when he kicked off.

Sirros is 18, young, had a handful of games and a couple of serious injuries already….not to mention plenty prior to NRL.

Is Sheens rushing him, is his body up to it?

**Desperate men do and say desperate things.....** :crazy

"We've beaten every side in front of us, so we're not afraid of anyone.

I know you attributed this specifically to the quote you posted after, but that really sums Sheens intention with introducing a rookie halfway through a season when you clearly have other options. Only desperation would see him overlook a tried and tested halves combination of Moltzen and Marshall (which, lets face it, Moltzen has a pretty good track record there,) and opt for an under 20's player whose future looks as though it lies in the second row somewhere. Humble/Marshall, Chisholm/Marshall could have worked, especially since both have seen first grade action prior to Curtis debuting.

Conversely though, he sticks with players like Reddy… A bog average ordinary first grader whilst overlooking a players in Koroibete, Nofoaluma, Grant and Simona and continues to ruin one of the best ball running pivots the game has seen in recent years.

He's a bloody enigma sometimes.

Did we really have clear other options?

According the recent press, Moltzen has decided that fullback is the position for him. Humble whilst solid, really wasn't working in the halves and Miller had obviously been relegated to the 'not right now' bin.

Sheens makes plenty of bad calls - but I think this one was appropriate - and was showing signs of paying dividends.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will Sheens break young Curtis too?

Its clear benjis body wasnt ready for NRL when he kicked off.

Sirros is 18, young, had a handful of games and a couple of serious injuries already….not to mention plenty prior to NRL.

Is Sheens rushing him, is his body up to it?

**Desperate men do and say desperate things.....** :crazy

"We've beaten every side in front of us, so we're not afraid of anyone.

I know you attributed this specifically to the quote you posted after, but that really sums Sheens intention with introducing a rookie halfway through a season when you clearly have other options. Only desperation would see him overlook a tried and tested halves combination of Moltzen and Marshall (which, lets face it, Moltzen has a pretty good track record there,) and opt for an under 20's player whose future looks as though it lies in the second row somewhere. Humble/Marshall, Chisholm/Marshall could have worked, especially since both have seen first grade action prior to Curtis debuting.

Conversely though, he sticks with players like Reddy… A bog average ordinary first grader whilst overlooking a players in Koroibete, Nofoaluma, Grant and Simona and continues to ruin one of the best ball running pivots the game has seen in recent years.

He's a bloody enigma sometimes.

Did we really have clear other options?

According the recent press, Moltzen has decided that fullback is the position for him. Humble whilst solid, really wasn't working in the halves and Miller had obviously been relegated to the 'not right now' bin.

Sheens makes plenty of bad calls - but I think this one was appropriate - and was showing signs of paying dividends.

I never said that Sirro didn't show promise there at #6, just agreeing that it was a rash step for Sheens to make given he has a propensity to stick with other players he's familiar with first.