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@Eddie said:
I've kept my expectations quite low this year so I'm hoping to be surprised actually.
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I've kept my expectations quite low this year so I'm hoping to be surprised actually.
@innsaneink said:
What on earth are you on about? Conspiracy theory? A conspiracy theory would be me claiming the club set out to injure him, or that Sirro took the needle against the doctors wishes.
All I am doing is repeating the FACTS stated by a Tigers player. That Sirro took a needle, because he was desperate to play, and he then went out and injured the same foot and now misses 3 months.
All I am doing is questioning why they would needle up a player in a trial? Guys like Nofo were left at home because of injury concerns. Im just saying they made a mistake, and i reckon they probably look back and say they made a mistake. Like i said i don't know if the injury was a freak accident, or was aggrevated by playing. All Im saying is a don't agree with giving a needle to a player in the pre season.
No conspiracy theory pal, just the facts stated by a Tigers player. Now what are your facts?
TurnStyle
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Eddie, i think the main point is that he needled up a toe injury, whereas the injury he incurred in the game was a foot injury that just happened to be the same foot that toe was on, if im correct.
i think the most salient point is the distinction between two different injuries.
if this is indeed the case, then i doubt anyone would have thought he could further damage his existing injury, ie; the toe, by playing and that it would be detrimental for him to play the 9s.
it would indeed have to be thought incredulous for pretty much any professional sporting club to risk a valuable player at this time of year without a competent, considered opinion by people paid to do this for a living.
it is quite possible the tigers removed tedescos interview as soon as possible for the very purpose of trying to prevent people thinking it was the same injury exacerbated in that instance, which is where i think ink is referring to the conspiracy part.
havent seen the interview, dont work at the club, dont know curtis sironen, so it is just my take that (what i think is) the most likely case is what happened.
i think the most salient point is the distinction between two different injuries.
if this is indeed the case, then i doubt anyone would have thought he could further damage his existing injury, ie; the toe, by playing and that it would be detrimental for him to play the 9s.
it would indeed have to be thought incredulous for pretty much any professional sporting club to risk a valuable player at this time of year without a competent, considered opinion by people paid to do this for a living.
it is quite possible the tigers removed tedescos interview as soon as possible for the very purpose of trying to prevent people thinking it was the same injury exacerbated in that instance, which is where i think ink is referring to the conspiracy part.
havent seen the interview, dont work at the club, dont know curtis sironen, so it is just my take that (what i think is) the most likely case is what happened.
@turnstyle said:
Fair enough, you put across your point well, i'm bored with it now anyway.
It is also possible they removed it because they knew it wasn't a good look for them.
Foot, toe, same foot, i think your clutching at straws more then me. All I am sating is regardless if it is unrelated or not to injure the same foot for 3 months after a needle to get through the game is a bad look (agree?)
However anyway lets move on, agree to disagree.
innsaneink
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You also said ''Heads must role (sic)"
Players are needled all the time….most play with niggles that are needled to get them thru...how many times do you hear palyers coaches saying the bye has come at a good time to get over some niggles etc.
If theyre capapbale of playing in trials with a niggle, theyd be needled to get valuable match fitness....thats why he played....you put waaaay too much emphasis on what a player supposedly said in an interview that disappeared into thin air *poof*
Youve put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5....glad youre bored with it all now though, but still claim others are cluthcing at straws when its you thats doing all the creative writing
Hypocrite
Players are needled all the time….most play with niggles that are needled to get them thru...how many times do you hear palyers coaches saying the bye has come at a good time to get over some niggles etc.
If theyre capapbale of playing in trials with a niggle, theyd be needled to get valuable match fitness....thats why he played....you put waaaay too much emphasis on what a player supposedly said in an interview that disappeared into thin air *poof*
Youve put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5....glad youre bored with it all now though, but still claim others are cluthcing at straws when its you thats doing all the creative writing
Hypocrite
innsaneink
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It stands to reason if a player can play with the aid of a painkiller in a comp game, they will do the same in a trial to gain much needed match fitness…you only need to watch RL TV programs, listen about it on radio, read about it for your proof its documented dozens of times each season.....jesus christ !!! :brick:
Youre the one making claims of neglience at the club, calling for sackings....and youre asking others for proof when providing none yourself.
Pffft.
Go away
Youre the one making claims of neglience at the club, calling for sackings....and youre asking others for proof when providing none yourself.
Pffft.
Go away
"Heads must role"
That's dead set the absolute call of the year - and it's only February.
I love knee jerk reactions by casual observers who have no clue what goes on within a private entity.
That's like me calling for PEOPLE TO BE FIRED FROM HARVEY NORMAN because I bought a TV there, and saw it down the road at Bing Lee 20 bucks cheaper. Even if I had shares in Harvey Norman (read: Tigers Membership) It would be laughable for me to rage like that.
That's dead set the absolute call of the year - and it's only February.
I love knee jerk reactions by casual observers who have no clue what goes on within a private entity.
That's like me calling for PEOPLE TO BE FIRED FROM HARVEY NORMAN because I bought a TV there, and saw it down the road at Bing Lee 20 bucks cheaper. Even if I had shares in Harvey Norman (read: Tigers Membership) It would be laughable for me to rage like that.
All Im pointing out is the discrepancy between leaving a player like Nofo at home because of a niggle, to giving a player a needle for a niggle. I know which option I would prefer in pre season. Ink say what you like about it, unless you have proof that clubs regular use pain killing injections in pre season games then you have no more proof then me?
We are both speculating, which is what forums are for opinions and discussion. No one has concrete evidence from inside the sheds on anything do to with WT's really, doesn't mean we all can't have an opinion based on what we see and here. I formed an opinion based on what I saw from Teddys interview. The comment of heads should role was a poor use of a throw away line, i didn't call directly for anyone to be sacked, so don't get your knickers in a knot about that.
Agree to disagree mate, lets move on.
We are both speculating, which is what forums are for opinions and discussion. No one has concrete evidence from inside the sheds on anything do to with WT's really, doesn't mean we all can't have an opinion based on what we see and here. I formed an opinion based on what I saw from Teddys interview. The comment of heads should role was a poor use of a throw away line, i didn't call directly for anyone to be sacked, so don't get your knickers in a knot about that.
Agree to disagree mate, lets move on.
innsaneink
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I have no proof of clubs using PKs pre season….but imo its not a stretch to think it occurs when we all know it happens during a season.
If a Dr. thinks a player wont aggravate a pre existing injury by needling, and if the benefits are much needed match fitness and combinations with new players in these ''nothing trials''....then I'd put money on it happening.
As you said, we are all speculating...thats been my point all along
If a Dr. thinks a player wont aggravate a pre existing injury by needling, and if the benefits are much needed match fitness and combinations with new players in these ''nothing trials''....then I'd put money on it happening.
As you said, we are all speculating...thats been my point all along
TurnStyle
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@Eddie said:
:slight_smile: thanks eddie, we agree that a forum is a forum for these very differences in opinion to be discussed, and appreciate fully a back and forth where people can disagree on something and move on…
...which is what i expected when you said you were bored!
so if i can have one last riposte as you have, the very essence of my post was that my thought on the matter was exactly what i considered to be the most reasonable case, kind of the antithesis of clutching at straws.
unless im wrong, it is rare to further injure a toe that is already broken? doesnt get better, doesnt get worse. not much you can do with a broken toe.
i think the foot injury is simply "guilty by association" in some peoples eyes, so i do respectfully disagree that it is a bad look for the club.
as for nofo, IIRC, his niggle is a hamstring? a hammy tweak is different to a break and thus resting him was the wise thing to do. once you feel a twinge, you have to stop immediately and then let it mend because any exertion on it is going to make it worse.
anyway, looking forward to our next chat.... on the next issue! :laughing:
I agree with eddy here. Any injured player should not have played (whether it was a toe or forearm).
At the end of the day the coaching staff and medical team are there to make a final call - and for a trial, it was a stupid risk to run and those in charge should know better.
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At the end of the day the coaching staff and medical team are there to make a final call - and for a trial, it was a stupid risk to run and those in charge should know better.
_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_
@Eddie said:
Ive seen players receive painkillers for trials, obviously they are ore conservative for trials, but it happens.
Some players have injuries that require them to play with pain killers every game. (Craig wing was one)
A number of injuries are not going to worsen through playing, so they play them, others like hamstrings for Noffa present a real threat of doing further damage, hence no risk was taken.
