SMH: Maguire not the problem

[Cultured_Bogan]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

How do you figure that ? If they train well , do everything they’re supposed to do , warm up well , and then mentally fall into a heap , whilst out there , how is it the coaches fault ? Outside of engaging mental health professionals.

They clearly weren't prepared... You couldn't see that?
First try to them... no hunger it was like as someone else put it "oh well well get that one back next"
It's clear the preparation and whatever they're doing to in still some aggro and attitude isn't there... It's. Like they didn't give a stuff.. I'm sick of it

Tend to agree and unlike most here don't blame Nofoaluma so much for the early try, nor Roberts.

Our three edge players were involved in the tackle and none of our middle got over to help Nofo and at least limit the space there.

Lack of effort.

First try was a total failure of the defensive unit. Too compressed, Cows had a four on two overlap and Jimmy was there waiting to see whether Taulagi would engage the line but he passed and left Nofo to pick up the 2 on 1 and we all know how that usually works out.

 

[BZN]

The consistent blame on Brooks is beyond ridiculous but is so firmly entrenched, for his sake he should leave. Payten is the perfect coach for him and getting away from Sydney for a bit would do wonders for his mental health and probably his game. I'd love to see him playing good footy but can't see it happening here with a fan base who has lost tolerance for losing, and large portion of them deciding he is at the centre of the problem.

It's funny, I hate most players that leave Tigers, however if Brooks was to leave and find success somewhere else, a little part of me would feel happy for him. He's basically been criticised for all bar 2 seasons of his career for not being the footballer other people said he would be.

Players labelled "the next Sonny Bill" or the "next Andrew Johns" typically find themselves in a lot of bother as their career progresses to not be elite-immortal level.

Agree, i was having this discussion with mates. Players named the next of anyone never become anything.
To support this argument I ask you who were Benji Marshall and Johnson Thurston the next of?
Cameron Munster, James Tedesco? Have you ever seen a player in any position, like them before.
Even Latrell Mitchell is Latrell Mitchell in his own right and not the next Greg Inglis.
These are the players that become the superstars. The players of whom you just can’t compare to a past player.

I feel you are :100:% correct again @Needaname.
Our little champion Luke Brooks seems to have lost confidence in both attack and... defence which used to be full of bravery, but is now down to the same level as the vast majority of our Team.

 

[Cairnstigers]

It's clear we are all frustrated to the point where we all want action taken and answers for our 10 years of failures
It is clearly not all Brooks fault yesterday but he is somewhat to blame
Why did it take till the second half to come out of his shell
Infact many players woke up at half time
It's not good enough
Every one of our players have a great game in them
The biggest problem there is that we are lucky if one or two of our players produce a good game each week
We need that to increase to 6 or 7 of our players having a great game
There is absolutely no consistency in or players when it comes to having a number of good games in a row
They all seem to be sitting back waiting for someone else to lead the team
That is where Brooks comes in
He has been at our club longer then anyone else
He is Captain
He has been told it is his team
He has a responsibility now to lead the team
That means barking at the players an directing them around the field
It also means telling them to lift there intensity when required
When we are behind the line he has to remind them of the game plan and tell his players where they went wrong
He need to leed in all areas by example

I don't think Luke has a big enough voice to be captain
It's all great being loyal and giving the captaincy to one of our very own local juniors
But it is not working
That's not Luke's fault but he just doesn't have the demeanour for that position to be thrust upon him

I like Luke but I can see him leaving our club
We shouldn't try and stand in the way of this happening
It will give Luke the chance of playing finals football because if anyone is deserving of this it's Luke
He has tried his best with us I will give him that
But the pressure now is just to great
**I wonder if a trade of sorts between Brooks and Reynolds could work**
I know Reynolds is off contract at the end of the year but if souths could somehow help get him over then it could work for both parties
Brooks gets to play finals and we get a finals experienced quality half and goal kicker
We can match him up with Madden and shift Douiehi back to Centre

Just some of my thoughts
But let's think about Luke
He deserves to play finals and it's not happening here any time soon by the looks of it
The pressure is just to great on him now

Someone's reading my posts
Thanks Geyer

Bombshell No.7 swap could solve TWO big problems; Benji’s bold new deal: Transfer Whispers

NRL PREMIERSHIP

April 13, 2021 10:18amSource: FOX SPORTS

Luke Brooks and Adam Reynolds could swap clubs, under a proposal from a rugby league legend.Source: FOX SPORTS

Rugby league legend Mark Geyer has suggested Wests Tigers and South Sydney agree to swap their halfbacks from next season in a move that would benefit both clubs, and players

 

[Geo]

Rugby league legend Mark Geyer

bwhahahahahaha...

 

[Lauren]

Unfortunately I can't help but look at this from another angle.
Our coaches and players have often been used as scapegoats, for our lack of onfield success, just as much as our club and team club culture is brought into the conversation.
So perhaps when players don't sign with us it's not only because of our image - due to the exacerbation caused by any negative media attention - but that they just don't wish to have that added pressure on them.
I don't think the lower standard of being assigned with helping a club makes finals footy is the biggest reason that we can't land top line signatures. But moreso no one wants to risk becoming the whipping boy due to the club's/team's ongoing failure.

I'm actually stunned by the number of comments suggesting that Luke Brooks needs to feel all the pressure of this. As I think the club is a little demoralising (or certainly has been in the past) and a pressure cooker environment which has only caused players to languish. Not many players will thrive in these conditions and it needs to be rectified for our next lot of talented juniors, so we're not only a chance of keeping them but more importantly a club capable of optimally nurturing their development.

G'day @Lauren another sensible well written post with the word of the day included "exacerbation"...well done.


Awww you're too good @MAGPIES1963 !
You'd have to be the most chipper, upbeat and pleasant Wests Tigers supporter there is ??

What's your secret?
Please do tell.

What's my secret...this is just between you and me...it just comes natural :joy: :upside_down_face: :clown_face: .

Please don't be.
I know I've been finding it particularly hard to decide what warrants a scathing remark but then someone like you comes along on the forum and makes me feel like everything's been a total overreaction ?
People like you tend to have a calming effect. So you just keep doing you.

 

[TheDaBoss]

We signed hartigan from roosters...and that has turned our spiffingly well....

Can we source a defence coach from roosters or storm or a top 4 side like that

 

[happy_tiger]

Rubbish article trying to create the drama that the media thrives on. Next we will hear "where there is smoke, there is fire".

Brooks has been one of our best players for the last 3 weeks, he has been doing his job.

The people that kept dropping the ball in the first half when the Tigers were in good attacking positions should get most of the blame.

The Cowboys got very lucky on several "Hail Mary" plays when they were gifted possession several times and only just won.

But hey, the boring truth does not generate as many clicks and does not make the "fans" feel better so lets sack everyone.

We got beaten by the wooden spoon favourites

Draw whatever pretty picture you want to paint ....thats the cold hard facts

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance ...more cold hard facts

And what excuse 7.30 pm Saturday ???

 

[balmain boy]

Rubbish article trying to create the drama that the media thrives on. Next we will hear "where there is smoke, there is fire".

Brooks has been one of our best players for the last 3 weeks, he has been doing his job.

The people that kept dropping the ball in the first half when the Tigers were in good attacking positions should get most of the blame.

The Cowboys got very lucky on several "Hail Mary" plays when they were gifted possession several times and only just won.

But hey, the boring truth does not generate as many clicks and does not make the "fans" feel better so lets sack everyone.

We got beaten by the wooden spoon favourites

Draw whatever pretty picture you want to paint ....thats the cold hard facts

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance ...more cold hard facts

And what excuse 7.30 pm Saturday ???

We've lost to the Dogs already? Damn i must have missed that one

 

[hank37w]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

The club bungled the whole event completely. Imagine making a press release, that your team is going to run out in Wests jerseys to remember the toughest halfback that played for one of our founding clubs. And we Trott out in our standard home jersey.

Did the club state as such, as I thought it was just a change" from the predominately gold (orange) WT jersey to the black version?

Don't understand any of this.

It was our home game and we should have been wearing the predominantly black jersey which is our home jersey all along.

Don't know where the media got their ideas from.

 

[Blake]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

 

[happy_tiger]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

Gary Player once said the harder I practice the luckier I get

Hey everyone ...we have another excuse "bad luck "

Maybe we should get a shaman to fix Leichhardt , the team the fans and board

And it is fact ...the majority of this team turned it toes up v the Cowboys

Maybe you don't have any respect for Tommy ...some of us here do

 

[TheDaBoss]

So if we lose against the spooners 1 week and then this week we somehow win against a red hot squad....

Does the world implode

 

[avocadoontoast]

So if we lose against the spooners 1 week and then this week we somehow win against a red hot squad....

Does the world implode

If we win this week it makes last weeks performance even worse imo

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

To be fair, and while we are speaking in facts, the Raiders were down to zero ? on their bench . . . and for a fair chunk of the game. To say that the Warriors won ( which they did) without mentioning that they were playing with 4 extra subs . . . is either skirting the truth or showing you have a poor understanding of the game.

 

[TigerWest]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

Just wondering what the Warriors v Raiders game has got to do with our poor effort last Sunday?

 

[Blake]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

To be fair, and while we are speaking in facts, the Raiders were down to zero ? on their bench . . . and for a fair chunk of the game. To say that the Warriors won ( which they did) without mentioning that they were playing with 4 extra subs . . . is either skirting the truth or showing you have a poor understanding of the game.

I wasn't analysing the game, just pointing out that anything can happen.

 

[Blake]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

Just wondering what the Warriors v Raiders game has got to do with our poor effort last Sunday?

There are often upsets do to injuries, luck, hangovers, poor refereeing. A lot of people seem to be over reacting in my opinion.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

To be fair, and while we are speaking in facts, the Raiders were down to zero ? on their bench . . . and for a fair chunk of the game. To say that the Warriors won ( which they did) without mentioning that they were playing with 4 extra subs . . . is either skirting the truth or showing you have a poor understanding of the game.

I wasn't analysing the game, just pointing out that anything can happen.

yes mate . . . as WT fans we see a lot of amazing, unbelievable things.
I still don't know if I'll ever get over that first half last week.
EDIT: Matey, we don't get luck.
We DO get injuries, mistakes, hangovers and poor refereeing.

 

[Blake]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

Gary Player once said the harder I practice the luckier I get

Hey everyone ...we have another excuse "bad luck "

Maybe we should get a shaman to fix Leichhardt , the team the fans and board

And it is fact ...the majority of this team turned it toes up v the Cowboys

Maybe you don't have any respect for Tommy ...some of us here do

The people calling for a rebuild and for sacking the coach are in my opinion, actively working against the club. Drastic change may make some people feel better in the short term but I strongly believe that these things will keep us down for another 5 years.

Instability has not worked over the last 11 years, lets try something else.

 

[happy_tiger]

And absolutely pissed on the grave of an absolute legend with their performance …more cold hard facts

You seem to be a bit confused about what facts are. Your statement is would be classed as hyperbole, literally the opposite of fact.

Raiders got beaten by the Warriors a couple of weeks ago. Momentum and luck are very powerful in the 2021 NRL.

Just wondering what the Warriors v Raiders game has got to do with our poor effort last Sunday?

An excuse TW ...we are good at that