Sportsmans Lunch with Tim Sheens.

[Staks]

It does highlite tho how Balmains current predicament can impact on WTs as a whole
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I keep hearing ''we have no money'' to compete.
Why?

We have good sponsors - the richest bloke in the country - our players are everywhere doing 3rd party stuff...our crowds are generally good....why cant we get the players the Dogs Roosters Rabbitohs get?

Why? because those clubs main agenda is 'football results". The Wests Tigers as hard as they try have to many entities still involved trying to push there own agenda which gets in the way of long term success…on and off the field.

Wests and Balmain at football club level are gone... gone a long time ago....there views and agendas should be non existant. The Leagues clubs though are in place to cover any short fall in the Wests Tigers... surely 4 Leagues clubs can cover the cost to pay off Sir Tim of Mulgoa?

:sign:

 

[innsaneink]

The 'parents' bickering does get in the way yeh I agree…....but as I pointed out WTs in their own right seem to do OK for themselves financially
The corp opportunities at ANZ are what few clubs can offer the high rollers...we got Harry deep pocks, hyundai...why do we have ''no money''

Ive heard this crap for years.....in the herbal world wokka noodle days yeh I could unnnerstand....but things have changed - so we are told...or are we?

 

[happy_tiger]

Do we break even when we play games at Campbeltown and Leichardt ??

 

[PaperScissorsRock]

Has anyone ever seen any kind of balance sheet for the WEST TIGERS???

 

[Staks]

The 'parents' bickering does get in the way yeh I agree…....but as I pointed out WTs in their own right seem to do OK for themselves financially
The corp opportunities at ANZ are what few clubs can offer the high rollers...we got Harry deep pocks, hyundai...why do we have ''no money''

Ive heard this crap for years.....in the herbal world wokka noodle days yeh I could unnnerstand....but things have changed - so we are told...or are we?

Harry is a sponsor not a shareholder. His contribution is fixed as per sponsorship agreement.

Sponsorship, merchandise sales, membership income can only cover so much of the expenses… it only takes one or two bad years of success &/or budget planning and you then have to ask for hand outs from the leagues clubs to balance the books. Not many clubs make a profit...

Having more a lot more than a measly 10k members would help though...

You've said it yourself in other topics I have read... 50-50 holds this club back. Different entities involved within the joint venture with there own agendas also plays a part.

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[Ed_Reschs]

Perfect line… Good on him. He is getting the last laugh!

Those board members who pushed for him to be re-signed mid term should be made to put up the coin to pay the bloke!

WAtto problem is this board members are aligned to the side of the jv with no $$

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[innsaneink]

The 'parents' bickering does get in the way yeh I agree…....but as I pointed out WTs in their own right seem to do OK for themselves financially
The corp opportunities at ANZ are what few clubs can offer the high rollers...we got Harry deep pocks, hyundai...why do we have ''no money''

Ive heard this crap for years.....in the herbal world wokka noodle days yeh I could unnnerstand....but things have changed - so we are told...or are we?

Harry is a sponsor not a shareholder. His contribution is fixed as per sponsorship agreement.

Sponsorship, merchandise sales, membership income can only cover so much of the expenses… it only takes one or two bad years of success &/or budget planning and you then have to ask for hand outs from the leagues clubs to balance the books. Not many clubs make a profit...

Having more a lot more than a measly 10k members would help though...

You've said it yourself in other topics I have read... 50-50 holds this club back. Different entities involved within the joint venture with there own agendas also plays a part.

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Yeh understanderble, I can see the differences between us and the Melbournes and the broncos and one town teams….doesnt seem to bother the Dogs Souths etc

 

[innsaneink]

Perfect line… Good on him. He is getting the last laugh!

Those board members who pushed for him to be re-signed mid term should be made to put up the coin to pay the bloke!

WAtto problem is this board members are aligned to the side of the jv with no $$

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**Bingo!**

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Those board members would have plenty of coin… They wouldnt hold positions on any board without corporate clout.

Let them personally foot the bill!!!

 

[pearce_off]

It would be interesting to review the full transcript of what he said. His $800k payout would be subject to him complying with the terms of his employment agreement, which would no doubt include a clause prohibiting him from dragging our name through the mud for the next 2 years.

 

[innsaneink]

I guess his employment agreement also included the clause he'd coach the WTs 1st grade squad for the 2013 & 2014 seasons as well.

 

[MightyMaggy]

During my working life, I managed a couple of companies. As the boss, I always held the whip hand, when it came to employment. Employee contracts should always contain targets, which must be met to stay in the job. If the targets (KPI's) were not met the employee was liable not to have his contract extended.
From the outside, it looks like the Sheens contract did not contain targets, so that failure by Tim Sheens to achieve the targets at the end of each season meant the contract could be terminated, immediately. If this was so, who drew up the contract?

As a joint-venture, the Wests Tigers set up appears to be fraught with danger, because when the financials start looking bad, are there any "ownership" changes in the joint-venture agreement, which are designed to allow Wests Tigers to make necessary changes to fix the problem.
As I have posted before, I think the only way for Wests Tigers to be able to reach their real potential is for them to become a limited company with shares made available to the club members and outside investors. The government regulations applying to companies would force the Tigers operation to be transparent, rather than the current secret society only open to a lucky few.

 

[cktiger]

Perfect line… Good on him. He is getting the last laugh!

Those board members who pushed for him to be re-signed mid term should be made to put up the coin to pay the bloke!

WAtto problem is this **board members are aligned to the side of the jv with no $$**

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And you know this , how?
Were you were in the board meeting while it was decided?
Please go ahead and name the particular board members so we can all know as well.
Can you also supply the names of the ones who punted him (and the ones who didn't want to)?
At least that way if Potter fails we can appropriate blame accordingly.
What a crock….pfffft :unamused:
Ps It's all good to say make the board members pay but the reality is that could never happen - legally.

 

[supercoach]

Sheens may be filling his pockets with gold,but his ego has taken a major hit and the the bloke was and still is just a massive ego. What ever it is costing us it's the best money ever spent. Over rated ego crack pot are thoughts that come to mind. As for HOGO,living legend are thoughts that come to mind

 

[Black_n_White]

During my working life, I managed a couple of companies. As the boss, I always held the whip hand, when it came to employment. Employee contracts should always contain targets, which must be met to stay in the job. If the targets (KPI's) were not met the employee was liable not to have his contract extended.
From the outside, it looks like the Sheens contract did not contain targets, so that failure by Tim Sheens to achieve the targets at the end of each season meant the contract could be terminated, immediately. If this was so, who drew up the contract?

**As a joint-venture, the Wests Tigers set up appears to be fraught with danger, because when the financials start looking bad, are there any "ownership" changes in the joint-venture agreement, which are designed to allow Wests Tigers to make necessary changes to fix the problem.
As I have posted before, I think the only way for Wests Tigers to be able to reach their real potential is for them to become a limited company with shares made available to the club members and outside investors. The government regulations applying to companies would force the Tigers operation to be transparent, rather than the current secret society only open to a lucky few.**

Brilliant post…

 

[Winnipeg]

what's the difference between paying him out and paying him over the next 2 years? We are better off financially keeping the money and paying him weekly [or fortnightly or something]

He could still run around saying 'the Tigers are paying me to do nothing' even if we gave him a lump sum and told him to rack off
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It was always rumoured that Hodgo was allergic to weights, maybe thats what he meant by 'lazy trainer'

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

During my working life, I managed a couple of companies. As the boss, I always held the whip hand, when it came to employment. Employee contracts should always contain targets, which must be met to stay in the job. If the targets (KPI's) were not met the employee was liable not to have his contract extended.
From the outside, it looks like the Sheens contract did not contain targets, so that failure by Tim Sheens to achieve the targets at the end of each season meant the contract could be terminated, immediately. If this was so, who drew up the contract?

**As a joint-venture, the Wests Tigers set up appears to be fraught with danger, because when the financials start looking bad, are there any "ownership" changes in the joint-venture agreement, which are designed to allow Wests Tigers to make necessary changes to fix the problem.
As I have posted before, I think the only way for Wests Tigers to be able to reach their real potential is for them to become a limited company with shares made available to the club members and outside investors. The government regulations applying to companies would force the Tigers operation to be transparent, rather than the current secret society only open to a lucky few.**

Brilliant post…

That would be somewhat dangerous. What if Harry deep-pockets was a major shareholder and the board were looking to punt Sheens?

 

[PaperScissorsRock]

Mighty Maggy, BRILLANT post! There was a CEO 3 years ago that tried to introduce KPI's for Sheen's performance. Sheen's got him GONE! Any chance Mighty Maggy you can stand on the Board? I am surprised the joint venture has lasted this long without any transparency!

SUPERCOACH, Sheen's may have a ego! Perhaps, Sheen's who's reputation was built on his Canberra days as Coach, has forgotten the plethora of LEGENDS he had in his stable? A roster with Belcher, Daley, Meninga, Chicka, Stuart, Lazo, Todd, Mullins, Walters, Clyde etc etc…I don't believe even the current Labour Party could get it wrong with this stable! SHEEN's then went to the Cowboy's and got the rissole. Whilst Sheen's was in Tiger Town, we made the Semis 3 TIMES in 10 YEARS, with a pretty good squad! Could be time for Sheen's to hang his ego on the hat rack....

HODGO, may have been allergic to weights and running 400 Meter Sprints (SHEENS WORDS at the Lunch-on), but, watching HODGO live gave me INSPIRATION to get through my working week!!

SHEEN's "ALSO" stated at the Lunchon, "IN HINDSIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE TOOK UP THE OFFER TO COACH THE PANTHERS 2 YEARS AGO"...In HINDSIGHT,,,GIBBS,,BEAU and HEINO would agree!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

Sheens was one of the best coaches …....... in hindsight :laughing:

He always had fantastic reasons why we did not win

As far as the fans are concerned ,he lived off 2005 ,feed everyone heaps of dribble and many believed him

His next career could be as a cult leader

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Mighty Maggy, BRILLANT post! There was a CEO 3 years ago that tried to introduce KPI's for Sheen's performance. Sheen's got him GONE! Any chance Mighty Maggy you can stand on the Board? I am surprised the joint venture has lasted this long without any transparency!

SUPERCOACH, Sheen's may have a ego! Perhaps, Sheen's who's reputation was built on his Canberra days as Coach, has forgotten the plethora of LEGENDS he had in his stable? A roster with Belcher, Daley, Meninga, Chicka, Stuart, Lazo, Todd, Mullins, Walters, Clyde etc etc…I don't believe even the current Labour Party could get it wrong with this stable! SHEEN's then went to the Cowboy's and got the rissole. Whilst Sheen's was in Tiger Town, we made the Semis 3 TIMES in 10 YEARS, with a pretty good squad! Could be time for Sheen's to hang his ego on the hat rack....

HODGO, may have been allergic to weights and running 400 Meter Sprints (SHEENS WORDS at the Lunch-on), but, watching HODGO live gave me INSPIRATION to get through my working week!!

SHEEN's "ALSO" stated at the Lunchon, "IN HINDSIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE TOOK UP THE OFFER TO COACH THE PANTHERS 2 YEARS AGO"...In HINDSIGHT,,,GIBBS,,BEAU and HEINO would agree!!!

Gibbs was already signed by Cronulla when Sheens re-signed.