Stefano Utoikamanu #241

lathami said:
He was always signing with the dogs. All this bullshite about going to Melbourne is all crap. He had already agreed to terms, the dogs are making it look like an after thought. Don’t believe the hype, this has been the plan all along!
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OK...🤣
 
innsaneink said:
Looking for something else and stumbled upon it

One thing shout the past is it is true... the future is unknown
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Just lately, I keep hearing about individuals referring to "their" truth.
What's the go?
Isn't truth always truth, or does it vary depending on the context being framed around the "truth"?
 
tiger_one said:
Just lately, I keep hearing about individuals referring to "their" truth.
What's the go?
Isn't truth always truth, or does it vary depending on the context being framed around the "truth"?
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No, "alternative facts" officially began on January 22nd of 2017.
 
I'm not meaning to diminish luai's impact by saying this, but the single biggest factor in our improvement from last year to this has been replacing Stefano with the leadership and consistency and play of May. He is hungry for the ball and seems to love rugby league.

We occasionally saw Stefano run hard, but we never saw him enjoy all the gritty aspects of the game and have a real sense of pride in how he went about his game. Looking at it from a distance, May has lifted the standards and attitude of our forwards.

The other thing about Stefano's play at Melbourne is that it proves (so far) that it wasn't the club's fault, he's still just bog average.
 
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watersider said:
I'm not meaning to diminish luai's impact by saying this, but the single biggest factor in our improvement from last year to this has been replacing Stefano with the leadership and consistency and play of May. He is hungry for the ball and seems to love rugby league.

We occasionally saw Stefano run hard, but we never saw him enjoy all the gritty aspects of the game and have a real sense of pride in how he went about his game. Looking at it from a distance, May has lifted the standards and attitude of our forwards.

The other thing about Stefano's play at Melbourne is that it proves (so far) that it wasn't the club's fault, he's still just bog average.
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Have a feeling he's going to say he needs a better coach - oh, it's Bellamy..........
 
mikey said:
Have a feeling he's going to say he needs a better coach - oh, it's Bellamy..........
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I agree that May has been better for us than Utoikamanu ever was but I think it is really only in the minutes he is able to play whilst maintaining a high quality. The comparative output whilst on the field however isn't really much different. I don't think the criticism of Utoikamanu
lines up with reality (though admittedly have only watched a few storm games not all of them).

Up until last night Utoikamanu had the 2nd most tackle breaks of any front rower. Average less than 1 missed tackles a game and only had 1 error for the season.
He is just outside the top 10 front rowers for run metres and post contact metres which might go along with suggesting he is average but he is getting these metres in significantly less time on the field than most above him (average 27 minutes less than May). His output per minute or per run across all stats he is still one of the leading front rowers in the game.
Now you could point to minutes played and say but he doesn't have the motor of the better front rowers. This might be true or it might be Bellamy doesn't see the need to play his leading front rower for huge minutes this early in the season.
Having said all that I think May is definitely the better option for us, we need his big minutes. I just think Utoikamanu has been playing well from the few games I have seen and the statistics would support this.
 
gregjm87 said:
I agree that May has been better for us than Utoikamanu ever was but I think it is really only in the minutes he is able to play whilst maintaining a high quality. The comparative output whilst on the field however isn't really much different. I don't think the criticism of Utoikamanu
lines up with reality (though admittedly have only watched a few storm games not all of them).

Up until last night Utoikamanu had the 2nd most tackle breaks of any front rower. Average less than 1 missed tackles a game and only had 1 error for the season.
He is just outside the top 10 front rowers for run metres and post contact metres which might go along with suggesting he is average but he is getting these metres in significantly less time on the field than most above him (average 27 minutes less than May). His output per minute or per run across all stats he is still one of the leading front rowers in the game.
Now you could point to minutes played and say but he doesn't have the motor of the better front rowers. This might be true or it might be Bellamy doesn't see the need to play his leading front rower for huge minutes this early in the season.
Having said all that I think May is definitely the better option for us, we need his big minutes. I just think Utoikamanu has been playing well from the few games I have seen and the statistics would support this.
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$Dollars, in the end, it all comes down to dollars. When the amount of some 50% of Terrell's money is still available to go towards say the impact of Hunt, instead of lining Stefano's pocket if he had accepted WT offer, comparatively it is a no brainer as to the value provided.

May brings so much more to the club both on and off the field.
 
Lachlan Galvin's #1 Fan said:
Another average to below average game for Stefano. Think that's genuinely just his standard. Massively over hyped player. We dodged a bullet there.
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I really don't know what he is seeing but Bellyache must see something in him, he has been increasing his minutes each week.

According to the stats he is now up to 49 minutes for last night's game.
 
watersider said:
I'm not meaning to diminish luai's impact by saying this, but the single biggest factor in our improvement from last year to this has been replacing Stefano with the leadership and consistency and play of May. He is hungry for the ball and seems to love rugby league.

We occasionally saw Stefano run hard, but we never saw him enjoy all the gritty aspects of the game and have a real sense of pride in how he went about his game. Looking at it from a distance, May has lifted the standards and attitude of our forwards.

The other thing about Stefano's play at Melbourne is that it proves (so far) that it wasn't the club's fault, he's still just bog average.
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That’s fair man . It’s also an accordion effect through yardage . And I think May and the forwards are benefitting from strong yardage play from the back through Turuva and Skelton . ( even Luke did a good job when he filled in ) . Also the team gets better as the game goes on , so you’re either going to blow us away early , or you’re now in a dog fight .
I think even the broncos game where they came out from halftime and blew us away qualified with this theory .
Stefano would have been amazing being the guy who takes the hit up after the May hitup . Like Haas after Carrigan .
Pole and Twal are doing a great job of this . Pole IMO is a better footballer than Stefano .
 
Lestronge said:
That’s fair man . It’s also an accordion effect through yardage . And I think May and the forwards are benefitting from strong yardage play from the back through Turuva and Skelton . ( even Luke did a good job when he filled in ) . Also the team gets better as the game goes on , so you’re either going to blow us away early , or you’re now in a dog fight .
I think even the broncos game where they came out from halftime and blew us away qualified with this theory .
Stefano would have been amazing being the guy who takes the hit up after the May hitup . Like Haas after Carrigan .
Pole and Twal are doing a great job of this . Pole IMO is a better footballer than Stefano .
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Can’t keep both Stefano and Pole happy when you have May

I hope their form continues, along with Luai

We, for the first time in a long time, have the ability to build our side around a great group of players

Pole, May, L. Fainu, S. Fainu, Luai, Bula, TDS

Our big 7
 
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