Brooks and Moses aren't lacking in talent however look to be complacent in their game and lacking a little but of lustre and motivation. They aren't receiving the correct coaching angle - both still make a number of defensive errors week in and week out. For a player to never get better in a certain area of their game isn't a case of lack-of-skill, its a coaching problem. On top of that, look at the rest of the team, the common denominator is the defence. I don't think its an issue of "Boys club", merely just a mismatched coaching style for the issues we have.
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I have no problem with people's thoughts on JTs coaching ability…I for one doubt Brooks and Moses playing ability in the NRL...if they have deliberately squibbed on JT to get rid of him ,then I no longer want to support a team of pretenders,especially Brooks and Moses..they will collectively have cheatered the fans with false illusions...no different to Simona ,if you play for a club give it your very best or don't put your hand out for way over the top money..l
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Can't agree mate,these two are pretenders,they train every day to perfect their handling and defense,that's what defensive coaches are for,if they haven't got the brains to understand how to tackle or pass a ball,then maybe tennis would be a better option..you can only blame so many people …until you run out of people to blame...
Black_n_White
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I am telling you in no uncertain terms that Isaac Moses has been exerting considerable pressure on the club afforded to him by having all four of them on his books.
Now although it is a new incarnation of the boys club, it definitely exists. Im not saying they are all complicit or directly forcing the agenda as a group, though they are being used as pawns to leverage an agenda.
That much is certain.
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I don't doubt that one bit and if 4 of them were my clients and I was looking to get them and myself the best deal i would be doing similar.
I also agree with you hence the reason why i say there isn't a boys club because, i don't think they are all of the same opinion on taylor but all would certainly want to know who is going to be the coach next year if i was them.
Pawns, negotiation tools all the same, just the workings of a manager who wants the best for his clients.
Black_n_White
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no…. this is more
Tiger_Tony
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It looks like a choice between Cleary and Payten. I wouldn't object to either one. They may not be a Bennett or Hassler but neither were Bennett or Hassler when they started.
Cleary is the only coach so far to get the Warriors looking like a premiership team. Payten knows the culture at the club and has worked with a number of these young guys from the 20s. Also, he is a forward and given the criticism of the forwards over the years may be able to put some starch into them.
There has been plenty of criticism of Brooks and Moses - some warranted. But let's remember that the former coach (I refuse to use his name) played in the halves and certainly doesn't seem to have been able to help Brooks and Moses to work to the potential they showed at school and SG Ball level. Let's see how Andrew Webster goes over the coming weeks as caretaker - also a former halfback so could work as an assistant coach working with the halves on a week to week basis. He definitely couldn't do any worse than the now departed coach.
Cleary is the only coach so far to get the Warriors looking like a premiership team. Payten knows the culture at the club and has worked with a number of these young guys from the 20s. Also, he is a forward and given the criticism of the forwards over the years may be able to put some starch into them.
There has been plenty of criticism of Brooks and Moses - some warranted. But let's remember that the former coach (I refuse to use his name) played in the halves and certainly doesn't seem to have been able to help Brooks and Moses to work to the potential they showed at school and SG Ball level. Let's see how Andrew Webster goes over the coming weeks as caretaker - also a former halfback so could work as an assistant coach working with the halves on a week to week basis. He definitely couldn't do any worse than the now departed coach.
Tiger_Watto
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Ironically Todd Paytens manager also?!
goldcoast_tiger
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I don't have a great admiration of Brooks and Moses ability as players either , but in fairness to them they were never able to play alongside an experienced half to bring them through. They were thrown in as the great white hopes to sink or swim and it was stupidity by the Coach and the club,
This isn't just a recent Opinion, I've stated that more than once over the last three years. And still have the opinion that they should have been dropped at times to work on their
Game. Or given help
While not swallowing the club line that they are the future of the club, I think that it's ridiculous to infer that they have squibbed on Taylor or anyone. Apart from being rcompletly irresponsible to be calling them squibs, or cheats , or especially, likening them to Simona.
That is just a stupid thing to say
They haven't had the luxury of a good coach and that may have an effect on them throughout their careers .
It's one thing to say that you don't think that they are any good.
Quite a few would no doubt , agree with you. But most of your post is absolutely rubbish , especially considering that you have no idea at all as to what has happened.
And probably never will.
I dont think there is anyone on here in the JT fan boy club, (the usual term for those who disagree with the 'I hate JT mantra'.)
I have been supportive of JT as the coach, not because I think he can necessarily coach.
What i have been supportive of is ANY bloke at the club appointed as coach and given a fair go, a level playing field, and a reasonable salary cap. Whichever way you turn it, Taylor did not have any of that.
What he did do was got rid of some dead beats and one knob in particular that has somehow become a god, even though if you ask most players from any team, including this one, they cant stand him. As it turns out, Taylor didnt have the skill to overcome the things not in his favour to get the club sorted, so out the door he goes. Im fine with that.
If that makes me or others a fan boy, so be it. But ill be behind the next coach too hoping he gets a fair go (unless its Bennett, because that man truly is an overated myth).
Dont forget, up until today, the board supported the coach and all decisions. They are still here…....
I have been supportive of JT as the coach, not because I think he can necessarily coach.
What i have been supportive of is ANY bloke at the club appointed as coach and given a fair go, a level playing field, and a reasonable salary cap. Whichever way you turn it, Taylor did not have any of that.
What he did do was got rid of some dead beats and one knob in particular that has somehow become a god, even though if you ask most players from any team, including this one, they cant stand him. As it turns out, Taylor didnt have the skill to overcome the things not in his favour to get the club sorted, so out the door he goes. Im fine with that.
If that makes me or others a fan boy, so be it. But ill be behind the next coach too hoping he gets a fair go (unless its Bennett, because that man truly is an overated myth).
Dont forget, up until today, the board supported the coach and all decisions. They are still here…....
goldcoast_tiger
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We love a good conspiracy at WTS
Talk About Paranoia :laughing:
happy_tiger
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Yep your on the mark young Watto
Every time you think we hit our low mark the tide drops another metre
Shagged on a mud bank , the SS Minnow has nothing on us
I don't think any coach worth his salt will touch us , I hope I'm wrong
Masterton
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You assume too much!
Like most, I have hopes Taylor's sacking will be the kick up the clacker the club needs, But, should we not make the semis this year, the new coach can't be said to have any done any better. Things could get a lot worse.
goldcoast_tiger
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No , I I already said that I had no problem with players wanting to know who was going to be coaching before they resigned. If that was what happened,
my point was that the same people who baked Farah were very Quiet at that time and weren't treating the players like they did to Farah for alledgedly wanting a say in who coached. And I said it was hypocritical.
However later in the day the hornets came out and the usual suspects went on the hunt to blame the big 2+2 for anything that they could pull out of the air.
Ok no hypocrisy with them.
But when it came to people likening them to Simona I thought that was so far over the top and unnecessary, I m not keen on them as a halves. But they don't need the kind of crap that some have used .
Especially as it was the Coach who continued to put them on the field no matter how they played, not them
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Ironic that you think Taylor should be held accountable but if these blokes continue to not put in that it's somehow not their fault.
FTR I don't care that Taylor was gone, short of a good start to the year and a finals finish he was never going to be resigned. Change was required, it's time for the players to put up or shut up or they can find another club. I'm glad they've given the bullet early on in order to find a suitable replacement for next year and work on recruitment.
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Where did I say that I know what's happened…I said "IF"they have squibbed the coach to get rid of him,then they have CHEETED the supporters and this club by not doing the right thing and performing to their pay packet...so before you go off half cocked and big note yourself as being no it all of the rugby league world,read the post first and comprehensively.....I compared them to Simona because if they have done the wrong thing to get rid of Taylor,Simona did in casting doubt on his performances for this club while being paid to perform at his best for the club..
Different scenarios ...still both scenarios cast dispersion on their performances....
goldcoast_tiger
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I never said that you did call anybody, Anything.
What I said it was ridiculous to infer That players were Squibbing etc
Like all of us you had no idea of what happened so why go off until you have an inkling of the truth.
As far as comparing them to Simona my opinion purely as a Rugby League know All is that that is a pretty low thing to say about any player who don't deserve that comparison
And as far as I know no othe player in the club does deserve it either
Still if it makes you happy ok
Wel just have to agree to disagree about what's fair and not.
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