goldcoast_tiger
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Don know if you've ever played or not .
But there's a hell of a difference between dogging it and not being properly motivated .
I wouldnt say anyone who is playing first grade is dogging it,
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Don know if you've ever played or not .
But there's a hell of a difference between dogging it and not being properly motivated .
I wouldnt say anyone who is playing first grade is dogging it,
innsaneink
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take a bit of responsibility…. If you need someone else to motivate you you're in the wrong game... Yes some external motivation doesn't go astray, but what comes from within is the core of personal performance.... And not to mention this is all based in what?
Opinion.
We all have those
Opinion.
We all have those
larrycorowa
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We need a strong coach. It's fantasy to think that replacing the coach will magically make these players perform.
jirskyr
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I agree. Why does a coach have to get you up for a match? Does my boss have to rev me up every week for me to put in a good effort? Can I blame my line manager when I decide to start slacking off in the face of difficulty?
I buy into the coach setting the game plans and improving the fitness / KPIs for each player, and for attempting to get the players right mentally each week, but ultimately that mental part is up to the player himself.
The mental part is why a guy like Tim Simona destroys his own career.
Have some self-accountability you players.
I mean if Sheensie couldn't get you in the right frame of mind, Potts couldn't, JT can't… maybe it's you, not them.
Joel Helmes
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Have some self-accountability you players.
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I mean if Sheensie couldn't get you in the right frame of mind, Potts couldn't, JT can't… maybe it's you, not them.
True, but you also have to pick the right players in the right positions first and I think this has been a lot of JT's trouble.
I.e. Lovett, Lovett in the centres, Elijah at hooker etc.
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I mean if Sheensie couldn't get you in the right frame of mind, Potts couldn't, JT can't… maybe it's you, not them.
True, but you also have to pick the right players in the right positions first and I think this has been a lot of JT's trouble.
I.e. Lovett, Lovett in the centres, Elijah at hooker etc.
Tiger_Watto
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Just another day in the unprofessional Wests Tigers history… Sack the coach after 3 games of the season???
We are seriously the laughing stock of the NRL. Any thought of signing Cleary or Payten is foolish. Neither will command the ability to fix our problems.
There is only 4 current coaches in the NRL who could attempt to fix our culture. Wayne, Craig, Des or Henry. Why? Because they will tell the Front Office, the Board, The Shareholders, The Stakeholders to bud out of Football Operations.
I'm looking forward to seeing what our current defensive coach can do with them for the rest of the year :crazy
We are seriously the laughing stock of the NRL. Any thought of signing Cleary or Payten is foolish. Neither will command the ability to fix our problems.
There is only 4 current coaches in the NRL who could attempt to fix our culture. Wayne, Craig, Des or Henry. Why? Because they will tell the Front Office, the Board, The Shareholders, The Stakeholders to bud out of Football Operations.
I'm looking forward to seeing what our current defensive coach can do with them for the rest of the year :crazy
goldcoast_tiger
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Lookout Teddy Brooksie,woods and Moses, you will be promoted to the level of Pariahs to replace Robbie, you will be blamed for every single problem in the club and be described as a cancer that needs to be cut out,
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach
We are dirty on Brooks and Moses but these boys have developed under the tutelage of Taylor (Mostly - potter for a short term). Teddy is a freak but he is not a playmaker so he doesn't need as much coaching.
The definition of coach: one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a sport and directs team strategy.
Brooks and moses may have been different players if coached by Bellamy, Bennett or the like and if they were not developing to expectations then they would have been dropped and subsequently moved on.
We keep complaining about the defensive effort of our halves but halves have never been known for their defence. Good coaches put good strategies in place to protect their halves, we have Chris L as a halves care taker. Since his injury the guy couldn't defend in centres so JT puts him in to help the halves??? Benji and Lou couldn't tackle neither but we made it work.
Im not saying the next coach will instantly turns things around but if i was Teddy, woods, moses, brooks, nof or any player with genuine talent and aspiration, i would be concerned about who was going to coaching as well, as i would want someone i could learn from.
The definition of coach: one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a sport and directs team strategy.
Brooks and moses may have been different players if coached by Bellamy, Bennett or the like and if they were not developing to expectations then they would have been dropped and subsequently moved on.
We keep complaining about the defensive effort of our halves but halves have never been known for their defence. Good coaches put good strategies in place to protect their halves, we have Chris L as a halves care taker. Since his injury the guy couldn't defend in centres so JT puts him in to help the halves??? Benji and Lou couldn't tackle neither but we made it work.
Im not saying the next coach will instantly turns things around but if i was Teddy, woods, moses, brooks, nof or any player with genuine talent and aspiration, i would be concerned about who was going to coaching as well, as i would want someone i could learn from.
Pawsandclaws
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Spot on GCT. Over the course of the day, this has been the new mantra put forward by the disenfranchised JT Fan Boy Club.
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Change of tact from the Big 4 thread..?
Black_n_White
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Wait a second, you think they first half an hour, where we seemed to play to a script and were controlling the game quite well wasnt a strategy put forward by the coach? Or are you trying to allude that the next step in the coaches master plan was to concede and play like a bunch of wombats?
While the interchange was abysmal, for once we didnt seem to immediately drop off. Execution went out the window, couldnt regain any sense of composure and capitulated. That is on the players. Do not mistake it for coaches error.
People put too much emphasis on the pep talks you think the supposed great coaches give players. Bennett couldnt pep talk the knights into being world beaters… That coaching talk business is garbage, and only worth its weight if given 1%, the rest is on the players internal fortitude. Look across the park when we capitulate, and the only player who seems to give a toss is Noffa, and he gets dirty, blatantly stripping balls and such.... the rest for the most part are weak, spineless nuffys.
I always saw Taylor as a hatchet man, as he was at Souths laying ground work for the next coaches success. Problem is, our hatchet work wasnt finished yet.
My mail has been that Cleary doesnt want to touch us with a barge pole, and are pretty much the pox to any established coach. Nobody wants to commit career suicide here.
I dont think everybody realises how far we are up poop creek, and we cannot afford a paddle.
^^^^^Hit a nail…
Fade_To_Black
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Goldcoast Tiger and pawsandclaws, you 2 are deluded. Dislike JT all you like, none of us have to like our clubs coach whatsoever but if you blokes are happy with our players deciding who they will allow to coach us without being undermined by our playing group then just bloody wow. Craziness.
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I waited a second before i responded.
I made no reference to Sundays game in this post or his game strategy, I'm talking about the development of players under his tutelage and the fact that they were not developing nor were they getting dropped or moved on. What was he hoping top learn this year that he didn't learn last or the year before that about moses and brooks?
I am saying that he was unable to manage bad defence by halves when other coaches have been able to as halves are not known for their defensive prowess.
Im stating we don't have a boys club, just players who want to know who is coaching next year before they make a decision. I always wanted to know who i was going to be working for and i always did as much research on my future boss as i did on the company. Why is it a boys club when players who are getting paid significantly more than i did and are open to public scrutiny not entitled to do the same?
goldcoast_tiger
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Yes Ink , maybe a conversation with Jack Gibson would have changed your opinion . He constantly lifted players to play above their usual level and did it for a long time
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I agree, players need to be motivated/inspired/pumped call it what you will every game!
This is what brings the best out of people. But most importantly they need someone to lift them when they can't do it for them selves. They need someone they believe is the best and going to get the best out of them.
If true, one of Taylor's mistakes may have been to mess with someone that some in the team respected and went to as a motivator.
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