Stop Over-reacting - we wernt that bad

I can't honestly believe this thread.
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Gee we have some deluded fans. That was the worst half of football I have seen in years from any side.
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As for who we should drop - Sheens never drops anyone so it's pointless discussing it. The same players get picked week in week out and no matter how poor they play hey know they will be picked next week.
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The players and coach need to equally share the blame. Last time I checked it is the coaches job to prepare the team ready to play. This kind of performance is not a one off.
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Wayne Bennett gets all the credit for the Dragons winning mentality, they always turn up to play and he gets all the credit for it. Why should Sheens not cop any criticism for us not turning up.

Great post! Agree 1000%
 
@smeghead said:
A continuation of a proud tradition of mentally weak Tim Sheens prepared Tigers sides
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sad but true. but shhhh don't criticize sheens because he reads the forum and will make some comment about you being a 'so-called supporter'. year-on-year he can't fix our defensive structure. it is definitely a problem and one reason why i was hoping he'd move to penrith…
 
@helmesy said:
I can't honestly believe this thread.
>
Gee we have some deluded fans. That was the worst half of football I have seen in years from any side.
>
As for who we should drop - Sheens never drops anyone so it's pointless discussing it. The same players get picked week in week out and no matter how poor they play hey know they will be picked next week.
>
The players and coach need to equally share the blame. Last time I checked it is the coaches job to prepare the team ready to play. This kind of performance is not a one off.
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Wayne Bennett gets all the credit for the Dragons winning mentality, they always turn up to play and he gets all the credit for it. Why should Sheens not cop any criticism for us not turning up.

Great post! Agree 1000%
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exactly! it happens all to often…
 
@angeman said:
@smeghead said:
A continuation of a proud tradition of mentally weak Tim Sheens prepared Tigers sides

sad but true. but shhhh don't criticize sheens because he reads the forum and will make some comment about you being a 'so-called supporter'. year-on-year he can't fix our defensive structure. it is definitely a problem and one reason why i was hoping he'd move to penrith…
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Yep it's Tim Sheens' fault… His fault we let a drop out go over the sideline, his fault we let Souths regather another dropout, his fault people missed basic tackles... I'm guessing the fact the 2nd half was 18-2 our way had nothing to do with Sheens in your opinion?

I'm not saying that a coach shouldn't wear some of the blame but a team with players of our ability shouldn't be down 0-27 to a team like Souths. A lot of our blokes looked like they didn't want to be there - Phil Gould said the same thing in the Herald this morning and he's right.

We were extremely poor for 40 minutes last night, good for the 2nd half. We're still in the Top 8 and we have Gibbs, Ellis, Lawrence, Tuqiri out. The sky is NOT falling down yet.
 
If it was individual's fault then I wouldn't blame Sheens.
The fact that the whole team rocked up with that kind of an attitude and the same basic mistakes shows that they weren't prepared properly.
THAT IS SHEEN'S FAULT AND THAT IS WHY WE LOST.

I agree it's not his fault we let the dropout go over the sideline,
but give any coach in the NRL a team consisting of
Dwyer, Fifita, Benji, Farah, Gal, Brown and Mckinnon,
they will rip you apart.

ITS SHEENS' FAULT WE LET THOSE TRIES IN.
not 100% his fault
BUT ITS 80% HIS AND 20% THE PLAYERS'.
 
@boonboon said:
I kn ow the first half scoreboard looked bad but we wernt that bad last night in reality - they made a couple of busts in the first half and a couple of random things went against us including a number of penalties and they got some momentum - we wernt great but we fought back - and with a bit of luck we probably would have won in the end. We often play badly against Souths its just how it is as a Tiger supporter

As for the individuals - Dwyer perhaps had a poor game but other then that no one was individually horrible just some badly timed penalties and a few freak things not going our way- for example the 2 drop outs we forced but didnt get back, Wesser having his a great game for the first time all year etc
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Like all your post totally bias, I can name a few other players who had poor game including the captain. To be fair on the team, they all played poor and no-one player was a stand out.
 
@tig_prmz said:
If it was individual's fault then I wouldn't blame Sheens.
The fact that the whole team rocked up with that kind of an attitude and the same basic mistakes shows that they weren't prepared properly.
THAT IS SHEEN'S FAULT AND THAT IS WHY WE LOST.

I agree it's not his fault we let the dropout go over the sideline,
but give any coach in the NRL a team consisting of
Dwyer, Fifita, Benji, Farah, Gal, Brown and Mckinnon,
they will rip you apart.

ITS SHEENS' FAULT WE LET THOSE TRIES IN.
not 100% his fault
BUT ITS 80% HIS AND 20% THE PLAYERS'.
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20% the players? Please - they are professional footballers on good coin. They shouldn't need the coach to have them in the right frame of mind to make tackles and hang on to the ball. The coach's job is to develop a game plan - macro level things - not having to worry about players wanting to play a decent game. He's a coach not a motivational speaker.
 
the percentages were just an indication, the point is the majority of the fault is Sheens'.

The whole frikin team had a poor attitude.
WHY??
 
20% the players? Please - they are professional footballers on good coin. They shouldn't need the coach to have them in the right frame of mind to make tackles and hang on to the ball. The coach's job is to develop a game plan - macro level things - not having to worry about players wanting to play a decent game. He's a coach not a motivational speaker.
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Lol That is so funny but im wondering when we played canberra and won so easily was that 80 sheens or is that only work when we lose.lol
 
@tiger4ever said:
20% the players? Please - they are professional footballers on good coin. They shouldn't need the coach to have them in the right frame of mind to make tackles and hang on to the ball. The coach's job is to develop a game plan - macro level things - not having to worry about players wanting to play a decent game. He's a coach not a motivational speaker.
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Lol That is so funny but im wondering when we played canberra and won so easily was that 80 sheens or is that only work when we lose.lol

Why don't you get the frikin point??? It's the INCONSISTENCY FFS!.

Ok Do you want me to say it? Here:

Hey Tim, nice work with the win against Canberra. Do you want a medal for making Beau play 10 minutes and Schirnack 15?
 
Inconsistency we all know that and normally thats a attitude thing and that comes from within.FFS

No i dont expect you to say anything im just pointing out a fact that when we win its the players when we lose it the coach and normally the favourite thing is interchange and game plans and motivating players its like a broken record.

It one loss not the end of the world and no need to panic every team except saints has had their bad weeks.
 
Worst half of football in quite a while and if we're honest about disecting this team's performance then we need to take a look at how the team operates during the week rather than what happens on gameday.

I think these 4 areas pretty much sum up the process.

Training.
Match Preperation.
Match.
Recovery.

In one (probably more) areas this team is doing something that is causing this inconsistency.

I can only judge what happens during the game, but I'd be interested in hearing other opinions.
 
@tiger4ever said:
Inconsistency we all know that and normally thats a attitude thing and that comes from within.FFS

No i dont expect you to say anything im just pointing out a fact that when we win its the players when we lose it the coach and normally the favourite thing is interchange and game plans and motivating players its like a broken record.

It one loss not the end of the world and no need to panic every team except saints has had their bad weeks.
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So what every single one of the player has crap attitude?

Again, you can blame individuals for inconsistency,
but what happens when the whole team is inconsistent?
Should we sack the whole team?

Also, you can say the team is inconsistent and they need to know that all games are equal and not to underestimate you opinion blah blah blah..
but this has been Tigers' problem since inception.

Sheens has coached the same team for years
and the fact that they still make the same dumb mistakes over and over again
either shows that they are not first grade material (whole team)
or the coach doesn't learn from his mistakes.

AGAIN: NO POINT OF EXPERIENCE IF YOU DONT LEARN FROM IT.
 
@tiger4ever said:
bennett shouldnt get the credit then cause brown had them playing consistent footy every week as well.

Who do you drop then hybrid.

I feel like im repeating myself but **dragons play as a team with every single player playing a role where we have players playing for themelves.**
No fault of the coach change the record its broken

You said last year if we make the semis every year you would be happy what happened to that.
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Agree with that wholeheartedly, Tiger, but that is exactly why it is the coach's fault - it's his job to coach them to play as a team!
 
are you serious what ground were you at one of the worst halfs in a couple of decades for this club with the mighty fonz at the wheel sleepwalkin again :crazy
 
@Yossarian said:
@angeman said:
@smeghead said:
A continuation of a proud tradition of mentally weak Tim Sheens prepared Tigers sides

sad but true. but shhhh don't criticize sheens because he reads the forum and will make some comment about you being a 'so-called supporter'. year-on-year he can't fix our defensive structure. it is definitely a problem and one reason why i was hoping he'd move to penrith…

Yep it's Tim Sheens' fault… His fault we let a drop out go over the sideline, his fault we let Souths regather another dropout, his fault people missed basic tackles... I'm guessing the fact the 2nd half was 18-2 our way had nothing to do with Sheens in your opinion?

I'm not saying that a coach shouldn't wear some of the blame but a team with players of our ability shouldn't be down 0-27 to a team like Souths. A lot of our blokes looked like they didn't want to be there - Phil Gould said the same thing in the Herald this morning and he's right.

We were extremely poor for 40 minutes last night, good for the 2nd half. We're still in the Top 8 and we have Gibbs, Ellis, Lawrence, Tuqiri out. The sky is NOT falling down yet.
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ummm… we are not talking about the odd error here and there. the coach is responsible for defensive structure isn't he? doesn't he also motivate the team? probably in charge of player selection? his staff manage the interchange? if a team doesn't perform doesn't the coach ultimately live or die, e.g. elliott?

i credit sheens when it is due. great that he turned them around for the second half but we still lost a game we should have been in a position to win. ultimately i want the team to win as often as possible but our defense too often just looks ordinary!
 
@Tigerdave said:
I wonder what the Storm fans reactions are to losing to Canberra in Melbourne or Bronco's supporters seeing their team get flogged by Penrith, same or worse than us?
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no one likes losing but they might be a little bit more comfortable given they've won a few more…
 
Boon Boon ,where you drinking or smoking some funny stuff thru the game ,They the tigers where DISGRACEFUL,they showed no heart ,and no effort ,Moltzen to small runs side ways cant tackle ,Lui switches off after 10 minutes ,Heighton always runs back towards the play and has no skills,Brown looks like he doesnt want to be there,Ashford again to impove his tackling ,Benji the worst tackler in the league ,the tigers have the worst kicking game in the comp ,and you say it wasnt that bad ,HELLO WAKE UP
 
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