Strength & Conditioning

@Irvine said:
I hate Skando even more now after reading all that.
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Call a help line Irvine. Hate is an ugly thing when it has built up so much that it spews forth so frequently on a forum.

Not having a go just a little concerned.
 
@tigerlogic said:
Hi guys, I am a qualified Strength and conditioning coach and work with an NYC team for a rival Sydney club. What I can tell you about skando is this:

1- initially, his quals were extremely basic in personal training not SnC. It was to get him something on paper, it was a job for the boys. He accepted the role then learnt his trade later.

2- as many ppl know, he went to the USA and got some access and exposure to some College football training facilities and methodologies.. He has come back and tried to apply all they did, here to the nrl squad. Without boring you, the two sports have totally different demands and training cannot be simply transferred from one to the other long term.

3- skando likes to use particular types of strength training using power concepts, more than other clubs, many believe there may be a link there with the shoulder knee probs we have , eg, Keith, brooks, nofo etc…

4- I am a qualified level 2 SnC coach and have been working in this sport. For the last few years, recovery, rehab and safe training is a huge point you're taught in this qualification. With my degree I am more qualified than many of the nrl conditioners, but as I said earlier, lots of ex players get jobs for the boys.

Hope this helps guys, provides something for you. Go tigers!
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I only joined this forum to weigh in on this discussion. I've always been a tigers fan and I'm also currently working with a nyc team in strength and conditioning (as an intern). My view is exactly the same as the one quoted.

The guys running the strength and conditioning at other nrl clubs are leaps and bounds in front of skando.

Dan Baker (who's in charge of the broncos S&C) has been there since 95\. The guy is a level 3 accredited S&C coach with the asca and a life member. He writes heaps of content for the courses treached through the asca and even in some high performance university courses. Same as David Boyle, who is just finishing up with the sharks. He's Tied up with the asca as well and has been around for years and has been in charge of the warpaths academy, worked with the ARU and has been in charge of the Wollongong hawks (basketball) for years.

the point is it's a position which you just can't give to the boys and i think this season is good evidence of that.
 
What this thread high lights is since the Mayor of Minto Skando has been in charge of this area of the club the team over 2 yrs has been decimated with injury unlike every seen …..so the conclusion for me is he is the first one shown the door . The Weststigers the home of the boys club .
 
Fantastic insight by tiger logic and droffilc. Thank you very much.

Seems to me that Skando is not to blame here, but rather fingers should be squarely pointed at management.

Skando has probably tried to do the best he can with his limited experience and knowledge. Can't blame him for that.
 
Assuming Skando was to be given a job for the boys role, why would be put in charge of SnC? It seems a pretty important role at the club (after head coach and assistants he is probably the next most important member of the coaching staff), wouldn't you want someone who is properly qualified. Look at the luck we have with injuries, guys like Lawrence who showed a boatload of potential at the start of his career is broken by his mid 20s, guys like Dwyer, Tuiaki and Fulton are forced into a premature retirement (I am not blaming conditioning for any of the three, I think two were freak accidents and one was an accumulation of bad luck), as well as season after season being ruined by crippling injury tolls. If we wanted to give Skando a job because he's Skando why can't we just give him a desk at head office and send him on a few wild goose chases.
 
@bigsiro said:
Fantastic insight by tiger logic and droffilc. Thank you very much.

Seems to me that Skando is not to blame here, but rather fingers should be squarely pointed at management.

Skando has probably tried to do the best he can with his limited experience and knowledge. Can't blame him for that.
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I agree, a big thank you to tiger logic and droffilc, that's exactly the insight I was looking for.
No doubt Skando is doing his best, but a true professional in any discipline knows when they're behind their peers.
Often, it's half trained practitioners who think they've got it sussed, and don't know when they're doing more harm than good.
What I'm hearing from tiger logic and droffilc is that there is a science to injury prevention, luck aside, if you're trained appropriately, and obviously have some experience under your belt.
So while I think it's great Skando is still involved with the club, it seems he may not be the man to entrust with the health and well-being of our players, especially our rising stars.
 
Very interesting reading and most it is what we have been saying/thinking/fearing for 2 years regarding our strength and conditioning program.
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I dont want to bag a club legend. Skando is just doing his best. However it highlights everything wrong with this club and why he are playing catch up before a ball is kicked.
 
@sheer64 said:
Interesting reading for a new independent board.
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Let's hope they're able to address this problem, somehow, rather than be influenced by the media circus.
You would think Smith's review would highlight inadequacies with strength and conditioning given his experience.
 
Extremely interesting info and does explain to some extent why we appear to be injury prone.

Clearly this is one area that HAS to be changed for us to have a chance. Look at how well we were going before injuries crept in.
 
Injuries are our achilles heel and cost us dearly in competition points every year.This should be one of the main areas that has to be rectified during the off season.no more jobs for the boys
 
@droffilc said:
@tigerlogic said:
Hi guys, I am a qualified Strength and conditioning coach and work with an NYC team for a rival Sydney club. What I can tell you about skando is this:

1- initially, his quals were extremely basic in personal training not SnC. It was to get him something on paper, it was a job for the boys. He accepted the role then learnt his trade later.

2- as many ppl know, he went to the USA and got some access and exposure to some College football training facilities and methodologies.. He has come back and tried to apply all they did, here to the nrl squad. Without boring you, the two sports have totally different demands and training cannot be simply transferred from one to the other long term.

3- skando likes to use particular types of strength training using power concepts, more than other clubs, many believe there may be a link there with the shoulder knee probs we have , eg, Keith, brooks, nofo etc…

4- I am a qualified level 2 SnC coach and have been working in this sport. For the last few years, recovery, rehab and safe training is a huge point you're taught in this qualification. With my degree I am more qualified than many of the nrl conditioners, but as I said earlier, lots of ex players get jobs for the boys.

Hope this helps guys, provides something for you. Go tigers!

I only joined this forum to weigh in on this discussion. I've always been a tigers fan and I'm also currently working with a nyc team in strength and conditioning (as an intern). My view is exactly the same as the one quoted.

The guys running the strength and conditioning at other nrl clubs are leaps and bounds in front of skando.

Dan Baker (who's in charge of the broncos S&C) has been there since 95\. The guy is a level 3 accredited S&C coach with the asca and a life member. He writes heaps of content for the courses treached through the asca and even in some high performance university courses. Same as David Boyle, who is just finishing up with the sharks. He's Tied up with the asca as well and has been around for years and has been in charge of the warpaths academy, worked with the ARU and has been in charge of the Wollongong hawks (basketball) for years.

the point is it's a position which you just can't give to the boys and i think this season is good evidence of that.
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If the Sharks can afford a decent S&C coach then surely we can.
Maybe this David Boyle is still available?
As long as his best practice doesn't come via a 1mL terumo.
 
@guyofthetiger said:
@sheer64 said:
Interesting reading for a new independent board.

Let's hope they're able to address this problem, somehow, rather than be influenced by the media circus.
You would think Smith's review would highlight inadequacies with strength and conditioning given his experience.
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If Smith's report did not highlight inadequacies with strength and conditioning, I would question the worth of any part of it.
 
Um, i'm not sure where all of you are getting your info from but I was under the impression Luke Portese was the head of Strength and Conditioning and Skando was more of an assistant…

Might want to check facts before jumping the gun...!

But i could be wrong and it could be the other way around. Would seem strange though for someone new to the field to be in charge of someone with more experience...!
 
@Balmain Boy said:
Um, i'm not sure where all of you are getting your info from but I was under the impression Luke Portese was the head of Strength and Conditioning and Skando was more of an assistant…

Might want to check facts before jumping the gun...!

But i could be wrong and it could be the other way around. Would seem strange though for someone new to the field to be in charge of someone with more experience...!
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Yep, he is high performance/strength and conditioning!

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