Sydney Morning Herald - Wests Tigers seek new general manager

@supercoach said:
My guess Moss and Taylor were to close and they wanted someone who is distant from Taylor

Pascoe probably wants his own man as coach.

Most new owners, GM etc the first thing they do is fire the coach or find ways to take away his power.

I am no Taylor fan by any stretch yet however lets hope this is not the case yet.

Let him have a fair crack this year he has done some good bargain basement recruiting. Now if he can find a better balance in our football then we might be onto something.
 
@westTAHger said:
Mick Potter is the assistant coach at the Knights, so he has other priorities.

John Singleton, Gerry Harvey, type of person would be beneficial.

I'm glad that Mick Potter is the assistant coach at Newcastle, I'm sure he will do a great job there.
As for the GM that the WT are looking for - look no further than Daniel Fitzhenry :smiley: (sorry Daniel) I'm sure you are doing a great job where you are at present.

I think they may be looking for someone with an International flavour :exclamation:
 
@coopy said:
So….we have two protagonists.

A Coach
Football GM

Coach says he wants players a, b and c and I can get results. Football GM says you can have players x, y and z because a,b and c will be better long term.

Coach says I can't deliver results. GM says it is the only way he can get the club to develop.

You think there won't be the odd colourful discussion?

IMHO the coach is responsible for player personnel and performance. It's pretty much been that way for over 100 years and I am worried we will be a laughing stock in the years to cone.

Thing is about the last 100 years, though, is rugby league was NOT a big business for most of that time.

You are talking about a transformation from club staff of 10 to now multiples of 10\. Teams used to include part-time workers and tradies, who have become elite-level full-time professional athletes. Rosters of even $3-4M total 10 years ago are now pushing $8M, media revenues gone from 10s to 100s of millions per season, rise of internet and social media, broadcasting technologies, fan engagement.

In my opinion, you can give a head coach full reins if they are a proven long-term performer. Likes of Bennett, Hasler, Bellamy… even Sheens, could fully manage a club with years or decades of proven performance.

Does WT have the money to afford such a head coach? No. We are currently stuck with the more speculative options - emerging rookies, modestly experienced support coaches, fallen former heads looking for another gig. We have people who are absolutely not assured of seeing out their contract, and you want to give them 100% club control to achieve results.

Well maybe that works, maybe the coach gets it right and the whole organisation flourishes. Or maybe the totally mess up and the club plummets backwards, you go back to square 1 with the nuffy coaches and modest roster.

Do we really put all our eggs in one basket? It's quite neat and nice to say "he's the head coach, given him full control... and if he fails it's 100% his own fault". Makes that person easy to cut loose. But that person is going to be absorbed with short-term success, to ensure their own continuing employment. Sure they have longer-term aspirations, but the plans for Years 5 and 6 matter for naught if the knives are out within your first 6 months.

Also look at our own history: we have done quite poorly with 4 x less experienced coaches. Pearce, Lamb, Potter and Taylor did not achieve much success in their 1-3 year tenures. The only time we got anywhere was with an extremely experienced operator who was given a long term to build the club up. And for all Sheens' detractions, he is still comfortably the best operator we've ever had, managing to balance all the financial and political woes that have befallen us before and since.

It might have been nice, for example, to have a GM in 2000 to put some moderation into the early buying spree / money wasting. Or to get involved when Sheens decided to cull a chunk of the side in 2012.

In many ways it raises the question, why does a coach have to have 100% control? Is it just ego? Why can he not get performance out of a roster put together and cooperatively managed with someone else? Most big businesses operate this way, they carve up the work (and stress burden) to be shared amongst talented peers. The CEO of a company sets broader strategy, usually financially-based, and leaves the details to specialists. Similarly, the operations lead does not always have to take on the burden of staff management, which of itself is already a huge time investment (career development, performance mgmt, leave clashes, morale etc.). It also means that one single person cannot overextend or easily mismanage, because there checks and balances from other departments.

Footy has become big business, and most head coaches cannot oversee everything. That is why NFL clubs go with this approach, because they are far far bigger business than we are.

This is actually how my own management-level job operates. I am responsible for getting performance out of structures set by someone else, with a team hired by someone else. There are negatives with this approach because I do not have complete authority, but I also don't bear the stress of project success by myself. My business is just too big to have one person to be responsible for every component of a project, and the bigger it gets, the more and more we split up the work amongst a peer group of managers, each with their own area of expertise, strengths, unique ideas.

Sometimes it sucks, yes, but rugby league SHOULD be moving away from old-school models of operations.
 
@Russell said:
@coopy said:
So….we have two protagonists.

A Coach
Football GM

Coach says he wants players a, b and c and I can get results. Football GM says you can have players x, y and z because a,b and c will be better long term.

Coach says I can't deliver results. GM says it is the only way he can get the club to develop.

You think there won't be the odd colourful discussion?

IMHO the coach is responsible for player personnel and performance. It's pretty much been that way for over 100 years and I am worried we will be a laughing stock in the years to cone.

I wold also have been happier to stay with the old way of doing things.
Now that we must have this "New" style admin - I hope the appointed GM works closely with JT and takes notice of his wants and not wants.

Seems JT is being put in a situation that his heading for a Potter scenario. No say, do as I tell you. By GM? and Pascoe.

Wow! there is no end of self destruct buttons by the admin people of this club.

Easy fix here - get rid of Pascoe - his record is nothing to write home about.

So our coach continues to have a tough time of it - hope he HAD a few days 'time out 'over Xmas !
 
jirskyr,very good post,to the point and informative….my only dispute with everything you have stated is..Pearce,Lamb and Taylor were all given what they need to fulfill their employment as coach for us...Potter was railroaded and had his hands tied,he did not have the luxuries the others had,we won't know how well he could have coached our side and in my personal opinion,he would have been very good for us if all things were equal...
I will put my head on the chopping block here and say,if MP was given what he needed and not nearly as many injuries,we may have touched on being in the 8....cheers mate... :smiley:
 
@jirskyr said:
@coopy said:
So….we have two protagonists.

A Coach
Football GM

Coach says he wants players a, b and c and I can get results. Football GM says you can have players x, y and z because a,b and c will be better long term.

Coach says I can't deliver results. GM says it is the only way he can get the club to develop.

You think there won't be the odd colourful discussion?

IMHO the coach is responsible for player personnel and performance. It's pretty much been that way for over 100 years and I am worried we will be a laughing stock in the years to cone.

Thing is about the last 100 years, though, is rugby league was NOT a big business for most of that time.

You are talking about a transformation from club staff of 10 to now multiples of 10\. Teams used to include part-time workers and tradies, who have become elite-level full-time professional athletes. Rosters of even $3-4M total 10 years ago are now pushing $8M, media revenues gone from 10s to 100s of millions per season, rise of internet and social media, broadcasting technologies, fan engagement.

In my opinion, you can give a head coach full reins if they are a proven long-term performer. Likes of Bennett, Hasler, Bellamy… even Sheens, could fully manage a club with years or decades of proven performance.

Does WT have the money to afford such a head coach? No. We are currently stuck with the more speculative options - emerging rookies, modestly experienced support coaches, fallen former heads looking for another gig. We have people who are absolutely not assured of seeing out their contract, and you want to give them 100% club control to achieve results.

Well maybe that works, maybe the coach gets it right and the whole organisation flourishes. Or maybe the totally mess up and the club plummets backwards, you go back to square 1 with the nuffy coaches and modest roster.

Do we really put all our eggs in one basket? It's quite neat and nice to say "he's the head coach, given him full control... and if he fails it's 100% his own fault". Makes that person easy to cut loose. But that person is going to be absorbed with short-term success, to ensure their own continuing employment. Sure they have longer-term aspirations, but the plans for Years 5 and 6 matter for naught if the knives are out within your first 6 months.

Also look at our own history: we have done quite poorly with 4 x less experienced coaches. Pearce, Lamb, Potter and Taylor did not achieve much success in their 1-3 year tenures. The only time we got anywhere was with an extremely experienced operator who was given a long term to build the club up. And for all Sheens' detractions, he is still comfortably the best operator we've ever had, managing to balance all the financial and political woes that have befallen us before and since.

It might have been nice, for example, to have a GM in 2000 to put some moderation into the early buying spree / money wasting. Or to get involved when Sheens decided to cull a chunk of the side in 2012.

In many ways it raises the question, why does a coach have to have 100% control? Is it just ego? Why can he not get performance out of a roster put together and cooperatively managed with someone else? Most big businesses operate this way, they carve up the work (and stress burden) to be shared amongst talented peers. The CEO of a company sets broader strategy, usually financially-based, and leaves the details to specialists. Similarly, the operations lead does not always have to take on the burden of staff management, which of itself is already a huge time investment (career development, performance mgmt, leave clashes, morale etc.). It also means that one single person cannot overextend or easily mismanage, because there checks and balances from other departments.

Footy has become big business, and most head coaches cannot oversee everything. That is why NFL clubs go with this approach, because they are far far bigger business than we are.

This is actually how my own management-level job operates. I am responsible for getting performance out of structures set by someone else, with a team hired by someone else. There are negatives with this approach because I do not have complete authority, but I also don't bear the stress of project success by myself. My business is just too big to have one person to be responsible for every component of a project, and the bigger it gets, the more and more we split up the work amongst a peer group of managers, each with their own area of expertise, strengths, unique ideas.

Sometimes it sucks, yes, but rugby league SHOULD be moving away from old-school models of operations.

Couldn't agree moreJirskyr,
Good post
 
@supercoach said:
As others have said,with the present set up will a elite coach ever come to our club.It would be hard to imagine Bellyache or Hasler working in this sort of environment. Although I do think it's probably the way to go I just do not understand why Moss could not have done the job and saved as paying yet another contract out. My guess Moss and Taylor were to close and they wanted someone who is distant from Taylor

It'd be hard to imagine eitherBellyache or Hasler ever wanting to come to WTs in the first place, So why should anyone care if they don't Like our system.
Coaches like them are unlikely to need supervision from above anyway.
It's comparing apples with oranges.
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@supercoach said:
As others have said,with the present set up will a elite coach ever come to our club.It would be hard to imagine Bellyache or Hasler working in this sort of environment. Although I do think it's probably the way to go I just do not understand why Moss could not have done the job and saved as paying yet another contract out. My guess Moss and Taylor were to close and they wanted someone who is distant from Taylor

It'd be hard to imagine eitherBellyache or Hasler ever wanting to come to WTs in the first place, So why should anyone care if they don't Like our system.
Coaches like them are unlikely to need supervision from above anyway.
It's comparing apples with oranges.

So it's unlikely we will attract an elite coach so let's implement a system that makes it impossible. :brick:
 
IMO if the coach's head is on the chopping block, Ultimately, he, in consultation with the coaching staff should be able to choose the team.
 
@rialto said:
IMO if the coach's head is on the chopping block, Ultimately, he, in consultation with the coaching staff should be able to choose the team.

He still can choose his team. From the pool of players that the club can afford at that time. The one thing that it will restrict is a Coach with a short term plan to win a premiership, by throwing overs at players that he knows that the club can't afford in the future. Who cares if the club is in cap trouble two years down the track. The Coach / CEO will maybe be somewhere else by that time , and someone else is left with the problem, sounds familiar to clubs in the past.
 
@rialto said:
IMO if the coach's head is on the chopping block, Ultimately, he, in consultation with the coaching staff should be able to choose the team.

Absolutely - agree totally.

Also should have a big say in who we want to contract and want to release.

I differ to most - the game is already starting to go to the dogs - but lets put a few more nails in the coffin and adopt NFL rules and structures.

We had the greatest game of all but let's water it down.
 
http://www.sportsrecruitment.com/jobs/details/2045/general-manager-football-operations

Job description for the new role
 
Short term thinking has killed this club, a football GM would be good for balancing out the short term interests of coaches with a long term vision for the club. As already mentioned the coaches live and die by their results so they will break the bank in the short term for short term success, a football GM can mediate the risk vs reward and stop Blairesque signings in future which have thrown our cap into disarray.
 
There are a raft of clubs where a coach has left the club in anguish because of poor recruitment and back ended contracts for players besides the Tigers, Manly springs to mind post the hasler era.

GM is a good move.
 
<big>General Manager - Football Operations</big>

Company Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Club Job Type Full Time
Location Sydney, Australia
Salary Competitive salary plus performance incentives
**Closing Date 24/01/2016**
Industry Rights Holders, Clubs, Teams & Venues

**Job Details\
\
Background**
The Wests Tigers have undergone a significant amount of change in 2015, with a new Board and Chief Executive providing the expertise and stability that the Wests Tigers’ members and supporters demand. The Club is determined to be in a position where it becomes sustainable off the field and consistently competitive on the field.

The Club has reviewed its capabilities within the executive structure and has identified the need for a General Manager -Football Operations, who will report in to the Chief Executive. As a member of the Executive Team the role will contribute to the strategic direction, leadership and future development of the Club and support the Chief Executive and Head Coach across football operations.

T**he General Manager – Football Operations is responsible for the organisation, planning and delivery of all operational, welfare, educational, administrative and logistical support within the Wests Tigers football programme. Ensuring effective communication and work practices between the football operations team and the broader business units within the Wests Tigers. The role will be responsible for the co-ordination of coaches, support staff and the recruitment and contracting of players at the NRL, NYC, State Cup and junior representative level.\
\
The roles primary responsibility is to achieve the Football Department goals and targets as set out in the annual business plan and budget. It will also ensure the Head Coach and playing group receive the best possible support to achieve their goals. Responsibilities will cover all elite support functions (including First Grade) and across the entire football programme for the Wests Tigers. These include:**
**Key Responsibilities
Football**

Manage all aspects of the Football Department, maintaining a strong and successful club culture and adhere to the Club’s vision and values.
In consultation with key staff, oversee the structural design and assume management responsibility for the day to day running and overall effectiveness of the Wests Tigers Football Department.
Work with the Board, Head Coach, player agents, scouts and other football clubs, both locally and internationally, to recruit, contract and maintain a squad of players for the Club.
Design and deliver specialist coaching to key elite junior players and academy squad with Recruitment & Development Manager.
Oversee the delivery of all scholarship camps, academy and other key football activities with the

**Elite Player Development Manager.**
Meet regularly with the coaching staff to monitor the football programme and develop strategies for its continued improvement.
Work closely with medical professionals (internal and external) to ensure that the playing group are provided with the most up-to-date guidance, education and care.
Work with coaches and player leadership group to ensure club discipline is maintained.
Responsible for maintaining best practice for club training facilities and club equipment.
Oversee coach education and development areas across the region.
Work with Recruitment & Development Manager to ensure that the Pathways Programme delivered by the Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers are supported and delivered efficiently across the region.

**Administration**
Develop, implement and manage salary cap structure. Negotiate and prepare player contracts that comply with NRL requirements, including compliance with salary cap and additional services contract regulations.
Prepare and manage annual budgets and business plans, manage the Football Department internal and external relationships and ensure compliance with all contracts and regulations.
Responsible for reporting to the NRL. Ensure club compliance with all NRL and NSWRL guidelines.
Create mentoring and development programmes designed to improve football and life skills of staff, elite players and elite junior players.
Manage the Football Department budget including a key focus on optimising club expenditure on high cost areas such as medical, equipment, travel, staffing and contra agreements.
Oversee the contracting of all players within NRL, 2nd tier and NYC salary cap terms and conditions.
Work with players and staff to ensure appropriate workplace practices are followed.
Manage purchasing and accounts payable process for the Football Department.
Ensure players are adequately covered by medical insurance.
Conduct annual review of Football Department and make recommendations to the Board regarding changes and improvements.
Prepare reports and forecasts for the Board as needed.
Work with Stadia regarding match day and training.

**Communication**
Create an open communication environment and clearly articulate the strategy and operational plan.
Work closely with the Commercial, Marketing and Media Departments to ensure the coaches and players fulfil marketing and media commitments.

**Skills & Experience Required
Essential:**
_The Wests Tigers will demand at least five years’ experience in a leadership role within a rugby league/NRL football department or coaching role. Experience will include:_
Working knowledge of a professional club environment.
Knowledge of medical and performance related components of the elite performance environment.
A detailed understanding of the salary cap and NRL guidelines.
A high level of competence in relation to budgetary management and control.
Exceptional administrative and organisational skills.
Solid facility/logistical/operational management experience in a service sector or football environment.
Ability to work with players, families, coaches and senior management staff.
Expertise in research and innovation in relation to elite performance.
Experience of working with medical professionals in creating safe training and playing environments.
Experience playing or coaching at NRL level, while not a prerequisite, will be considered advantageous.
It is critical that you have a strong work ethic and take ownership of delivering a high performing team in a results oriented business.

Other information
You are expected to work normal business hours of 9am to 5.30pm Monday to Friday and well as all home matches & selected away matches.
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