Taking the two

@tigerpower said in [Taking the two](/post/1370262) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Taking the two](/post/1370213) said:
@turkeytiger03 said in [Taking the two](/post/1369700) said:
The first one I agree with, but the second wasn’t on. However the amount of times Brooks dummied and went himself instead of passing did my head in. He really is a clueless halfback that will rarely win you games. But it’s across the park where we play some dumb football at very important times.

To go wide you need strike. We don't have it so throwing the ball wide is a waste of time.

We are all strike out wide. Our backs might be crap defending but get the ball on the run to douhei or BJ and we most likely score.

BJ is not strike... he is slow, has no footwork, and is unfit. Adam Doueihi is our only strike out wide and he isn't that great. He runs awkwardly and isn't fast. He plays hard but we just don't have a lot of talent atm.
 
@madge said in [Taking the two](/post/1370283) said:
@turkeytiger03 said in [Taking the two](/post/1369700) said:
The first one I agree with, but the second wasn’t on. However the amount of times Brooks dummied and went himself instead of passing did my head in. He really is a clueless halfback that will rarely win you games. But it’s across the park where we play some dumb football at very important times.

This happens because Brooks has no players in motion. It is extremely frustrating to see as you said but not for that reason. A pet play Benji used to do at the Tigers and now does at the bunnies is cut out to the winger with the centre and backrower running the line at speed with the intention of getting the ball, it works 9 times out of 10 because the defence is genuinely tested and they're put in two minds. That is just an example though of the difference it makes when players are in motion. Brooks doesn't cart the ball up like a prop and cut back in because that is what he is thinking, he just doesn't have anyone willing to run with him and create options, it is annoying.

The 2nd rower option play, also works with the fullback floating around the back as well. It was Brooks best play 2 years ago and we just don't run it anymore. Chris Lawrance used to be the best at running the crash lines for it both as a centre and a 2nd rower.
 
@aturkey said in [Taking the two](/post/1370453) said:
@tigerpower said in [Taking the two](/post/1370262) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Taking the two](/post/1370213) said:
@turkeytiger03 said in [Taking the two](/post/1369700) said:
The first one I agree with, but the second wasn’t on. However the amount of times Brooks dummied and went himself instead of passing did my head in. He really is a clueless halfback that will rarely win you games. But it’s across the park where we play some dumb football at very important times.

To go wide you need strike. We don't have it so throwing the ball wide is a waste of time.

We are all strike out wide. Our backs might be crap defending but get the ball on the run to douhei or BJ and we most likely score.

BJ is not strike... he is slow, has no footwork, and is unfit. Adam Doueihi is our only strike out wide and he isn't that great. He runs awkwardly and isn't fast. He plays hard but we just don't have a lot of talent atm.

And they both have scored tries in the last two weeks when they got early ball close to the line. You should start watching our games.
 
@aturkey said in [Taking the two](/post/1370453) said:
@tigerpower said in [Taking the two](/post/1370262) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Taking the two](/post/1370213) said:
@turkeytiger03 said in [Taking the two](/post/1369700) said:
The first one I agree with, but the second wasn’t on. However the amount of times Brooks dummied and went himself instead of passing did my head in. He really is a clueless halfback that will rarely win you games. But it’s across the park where we play some dumb football at very important times.

To go wide you need strike. We don't have it so throwing the ball wide is a waste of time.

We are all strike out wide. Our backs might be crap defending but get the ball on the run to douhei or BJ and we most likely score.

BJ is not strike... he is slow, has no footwork, and is unfit. Adam Doueihi is our only strike out wide and he isn't that great. He runs awkwardly and isn't fast. He plays hard but we just don't have a lot of talent atm.


What a load of crap
 
@maryst said in [Taking the two](/post/1369051) said:
Honest objective assessment

Taking the two when receiving a penalty in the red zone, just does not fit our style of play.

We're at our best when playing 'adlib footy'. Being conservative and structured is required in defense, but when on the attack we need to loosen up, and honestly in all the time Madge has been here he always makes us take the two, and it never works for us.

We're always criticised for not having a personality as a team, its because we have players that suit a certain style of play, being forced into being conservative and robotic.

let the boys play madge, just let them play


ad lib has got us where since 2005?
 
@bagnf05 said in [Taking the two](/post/1370391) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Taking the two](/post/1370325) said:
@tigertownsfs said in [Taking the two](/post/1369502) said:
@telltails said in [Taking the two](/post/1369497) said:
The trouble was we hardly had the ball during the 10 minutes they had 12. Once we blew it with Blore forward pass the Warriors got a penalty and then we had no ball for that period till the they had thirteen again.
We were beat by an 18 year old with the confidence of seasoned FGer and RTS. Can't underestimate the value of a couple of quality players.

They had back to back sin bins. They played with 12 men for 20minutes and out scores us 12-4.

And then we go within a bee's appendage of almost scoring twice when they had 13 in 4 minutes

I often wonder what the teams Psychologist says after games

They put that fella in a looney bin years ago.

put him in or broke him out lol
 
Ad lib play was great with Tedesco and co. Doesn't suit and they have proven the current team can't we need structure in attack to allow the great Dane to follow just behind the play ready to inject .
A great Dane my little pony that's a winner
 
@the_third said in [Taking the two](/post/1371540) said:
@maryst said in [Taking the two](/post/1369051) said:
Honest objective assessment

Taking the two when receiving a penalty in the red zone, just does not fit our style of play.

We're at our best when playing 'adlib footy'. Being conservative and structured is required in defense, but when on the attack we need to loosen up, and honestly in all the time Madge has been here he always makes us take the two, and it never works for us.

We're always criticised for not having a personality as a team, its because we have players that suit a certain style of play, being forced into being conservative and robotic.

let the boys play madge, just let them play


ad lib has got us where since 2005?


I agree, leave the ad lib to Souths now.
 
@formerguest said in [Taking the two](/post/1370307) said:
@madge said in [Taking the two](/post/1370283) said:
@turkeytiger03 said in [Taking the two](/post/1369700) said:
The first one I agree with, but the second wasn’t on. However the amount of times Brooks dummied and went himself instead of passing did my head in. He really is a clueless halfback that will rarely win you games. But it’s across the park where we play some dumb football at very important times.

This happens because Brooks has no players in motion. It is extremely frustrating to see as you said but not for that reason. A pet play Benji used to do at the Tigers and now does at the bunnies is cut out to the winger with the centre and backrower running the line at speed with the intention of getting the ball, it works 9 times out of 10 because the defence is genuinely tested and they're put in two minds. That is just an example though of the difference it makes when players are in motion. Brooks doesn't cart the ball up like a prop and cut back in because that is what he is thinking, he just doesn't have anyone willing to run with him and create options, it is annoying.

Facts.

To condense the argument, it's all about speed, skill, and strategy. We sadly lack in these areas !
 
@the_third said in [Taking the two](/post/1371540) said:
@maryst said in [Taking the two](/post/1369051) said:
Honest objective assessment

Taking the two when receiving a penalty in the red zone, just does not fit our style of play.

We're at our best when playing 'adlib footy'. Being conservative and structured is required in defense, but when on the attack we need to loosen up, and honestly in all the time Madge has been here he always makes us take the two, and it never works for us.

We're always criticised for not having a personality as a team, its because we have players that suit a certain style of play, being forced into being conservative and robotic.

let the boys play madge, just let them play


ad lib has got us where since 2005?

im not saying its necessarily better, im just saying play to their strengths and build structure around that, as opposed to whatevers happening now
 
@maryst said in [Taking the two](/post/1371986) said:
@the_third said in [Taking the two](/post/1371540) said:
@maryst said in [Taking the two](/post/1369051) said:
Honest objective assessment

Taking the two when receiving a penalty in the red zone, just does not fit our style of play.

We're at our best when playing 'adlib footy'. Being conservative and structured is required in defense, but when on the attack we need to loosen up, and honestly in all the time Madge has been here he always makes us take the two, and it never works for us.

We're always criticised for not having a personality as a team, its because we have players that suit a certain style of play, being forced into being conservative and robotic.

let the boys play madge, just let them play


ad lib has got us where since 2005?

im not saying its necessarily better, im just saying play to their strengths and build structure around that, as opposed to whatevers happening now


yeah I know, but the strengths are not really that strong. We need a step change.

They are recruiting for someone who gives second phase which will let us play more ad lib I think. Our forwards are all good, but not many great passers in there. We need second phase, especially as the tackles get lower.
 
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