Taylor Losing the Room?

[stevied]

Wow, so much venom directed at Taylor at the moment and some of it is probably deserved. I wonder what the atmosphere is like in the rooms. Not long ago I thought spirits were high but has the situation changed and is he losing the support of the team? There was a touch of giving up at the end of the Penrith game and Woods looked totally unimpressed at the post match conference…..I think this has the potential to be the greatest concern in Taylor's reign....It could be a premature assumption but what do others think? Persisting with players in their wrong positions and selecting poorly performing individuals at the expense of deserving first graders surely can't help faith or morale, nor can shackling skills or negative, ineffective structures......
:question: :question:

 

[alexaki]

JT has to show the players and fans a plan B… Yet to see it

_Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

 

[supercoach]

Not many coaches survive after winning a wooden spoon and he has that in the bank for 2015

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I can tolerate a team having a go and not being good enough.

I can tolerate a team where they are having a go and things aren't working out.

I can't tolerate a team who gives up, no matter if the coach has lost the plot or not.

_Posted using RoarFEED Android 1.2.3_

 

[Russell]

I can tolerate a team having a go and not being good enough.

I can tolerate a team where they are having a go and things aren't working out.

I can't tolerate a team who gives up, no matter if the coach has lost the plot or not.

_Posted using RoarFEED Android 1.2.3_

Agree CB - think I'll agree to anything, just stop that avatar

It's doing my head in!

 

[Eddie]

I feel sorry for Taylor in a way. He should have stayed at the Chooks and maybe waited for a better opportunity. To walk into this roster was always going to be tough and he does not seem to have any ability to recruit for next year.

However I still would have liked to see some improvements as the season progressed. Instead the performances have got worse. Worse then that the body language and the morlale looks pretty low. To get flogged at Leichhardt was as bad as it gets. There does not seem to be a lot of love for Taylor methods. The players look like zombies.

my original fear with Taylor was that he was too smart for his own good. The coaching on the white board and stuff like that. The best coaches are not tactical geniuses they are great man manages who players want to run through a brick wall for. I dont think anyone wants to for taylor and that is a problem.

 

[cannon]

He couldn't train a choko vine over an outhouse.When a team is leaking points in a particular part of the field a (the left side defense where he placed Lovett instead of putting Lawrence ho is an experienced center) IT seemed to me he didn't want to win. He cant coach period.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

He couldn't train a choko vine over an outhouse.When a team is leaking points in a particular part of the field a (the left side defense where he placed Lovett instead of putting Lawrence ho is an experienced center) IT seemed to me he didn't want to win. He cant coach period.

You are right, he didnt want to win.

His ego wanted to teach, the Lovett thing was all about trying to teach the squad a defensive lesson.

Results arent important.

 

[Mccarry]

He couldn't train a choko vine over an outhouse.When a team is leaking points in a particular part of the field a (the left side defense where he placed Lovett instead of putting Lawrence ho is an experienced center) IT seemed to me he didn't want to win. He cant coach period.

You are right, he didnt want to win.

His ego wanted to teach, the Lovett thing was all about trying to teach the squad a defensive lesson.

Results arent important.

Oh this is such rubbish. I'm sorry but that call has been way over dramatised. Lawrence has been run around at centre for two years. Finally he is looking settled in the back row. Then to risk his hammies in the centres. Judgement call.

Yes in hind sight it was the wrong call. To crucify him for it and act like a bunch of school kids is just poor.

He didn't want to win… That is just rude and way out of line. The guy is doing his best and in good old Wests Tigers form everyone insults his character and commitment.

_Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

He couldn't train a choko vine over an outhouse.When a team is leaking points in a particular part of the field a (the left side defense where he placed Lovett instead of putting Lawrence ho is an experienced center) IT seemed to me he didn't want to win. He cant coach period.

You are right, he didnt want to win.

His ego wanted to teach, the Lovett thing was all about trying to teach the squad a defensive lesson.

Results arent important.

Oh this is such rubbish. I'm sorry but that call has been way over dramatised. Lawrence has been run around at centre for two years. Finally he is looking settled in the back row. Then to risk his hammies in the centres. Judgement call.

Yes in hind sight it was the wrong call. To crucify him for it and act like a bunch of school kids is just poor.

He didn't want to win… That is just rude and way out of line. The guy is doing his best and in good old Wests Tigers form everyone insults his character and commitment.

_Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

They scored four tries before any change was made lol

 

[MacDougall]

I can appreciate that the Tigers seem to be trying to do the old "ride out the pain for future gain" trick by not cutting contracts early and not bringing in reinforcements of the "average to okay" level in the hopes of jagging a 7th or 8th position… Sure by letting the overpaid see out their contracts, and not re-signing anyone you can go on a massive recruitment drive at some random future point and get your books in order...

But they could be doing better right now. I have no doubt. Not every side has Tedesco,Woods, Farah and Taupau in it. Half the sides don't have one single player as good as any of them.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Oh this is such rubbish. I'm sorry but that call has been way over dramatised. Lawrence has been run around at centre for two years. Finally he is looking settled in the back row. Then to risk his hammies in the centres. Judgement call.

Yes in hind sight it was the wrong call. To crucify him for it and act like a bunch of school kids is just poor.

He didn't want to win… That is just rude and way out of line. The guy is doing his best and in good old Wests Tigers form everyone insults his character and commitment.

_Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

Disagree on the need for hindsight. It was an obviously wrong call immediately in many minds, with live game posts and another specific thread during the match on here. This thread may be about losing the room, which I feel he lost part of by the Cowboys loss, but by the two thirds mark on Sunday he had lost the bulk of the grandstand and nearly all of it by the final whistle.

If the guy is doing his best, with schoolboy like errors such as the Lovett debacle, then it is an insult to the judgement of those at WT that hired him. If he made it on advice from his assistants, then the blame should be shared, and if Kidwell did not point out the problem, he should be removed as defensive coach.

The real insult was in the press conference. Fancy anyone trying to tell a roomful of specialist journos that they, along with the fifteen odd thousand people at the ground, were wrong in their appraisal of the situation

 

[LCA]

I don't know whether the players have turned on Taylor or not, but I sure know many members and fans have. And, why the hell wouldn't we?

Someone please point out where this team has improved under Taylor in 2015? As others have pointed out in other posts, none of us expect to win every game but we all would like to see a trend or a couple of signs of improvement over the season. That's just not happening…in fact, they're looking more inept and talentless as each week passes.

It is the coach's role to use the talent he's got to give the best account of themselves in every game. That is NOT happening.

I think he is NOT capable of doing it for us or any NRL club. His ego is writing cheques that his ability can't cash.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm not buying into the 'didnt want to win'… Every coach wants to win, every assistant wants to win, every player wants to win. To say any of them didnt want to win is simply ridiculous.

A couple have probably touched on it, but I feel it was more ego that got in the way. He made his decision, it was probably addressed at Halftime, but he stood his ground.

But, the way the boys came out after halftime, it was definately a coaches loss!

 

[stevetiger]

Oh this is such rubbish. I'm sorry but that call has been way over dramatised. Lawrence has been run around at centre for two years. Finally he is looking settled in the back row. Then to risk his hammies in the centres. Judgement call.

Yes in hind sight it was the wrong call. To crucify him for it and act like a bunch of school kids is just poor.

I agree that this wasn't such a bad call when he made it. I also think if there was a faster winger outside Lovett the problem wouldn't have been so bad.

He didn't want to win… That is just rude and way out of line. The guy is doing his best and in good old Wests Tigers form everyone insults his character and commitment.

I disagree with this. Taylor has been spinning stuff and even posters on here supporting him have been stating it doesn't matter. Its short term pain for long term gain. We are getting our structures right.

I think we need to state openly that all JT's lines on structures were complete and utter palava. JT also hasn't done his best. His defensive footy has lost us games.

To be fair he has gone away from the dumb Taylor ball. He has to improve though significantly because so far he has been terrible.

 

[andrew 474]

Woods was a real concern for me , he looked like he has enough , if that is the case it will go through the team very quickly and , wooden spoon is one thing , players wanting out due to poor results will be a major worry , if woods and Marty walked up to Taylor and said I want out we are dead in the water , you will not get anyone of quality to come here , Taylor needs to change his tact or he will kill off this team and destroy the likes of Brooks and co ,

 

[supercoach]

Have you ever seen a team that is coming last not to be embroiled with rumor and drama, it comes with the turf. Most of the so drama and rumors are created by people who have no idea and want a reason for their team preforming so badly. The old saying a winning team is a happy team.

Once again I am not trying to defend Taylor, but like anyone he deserves a fair crack and I see that as two years. I just can not see anyone else doing any better at present with the roster we have.

 

[Telltails]

Have you ever seen a team that is coming last not to be embroiled with rumor and drama, it comes with the turf. Most of the so drama and rumors are created by people who have no idea and want a reason for their team preforming so badly. The old saying a winning team is a happy team.

Once again I am not trying to defend Taylor, but like anyone he deserves a fair crack and I see that as two years. I just can not see anyone else doing any better at present with the roster we have.

Agree to a point Supercoach, as long as our best are on board - ie Woods, Tapau, Teddy. While no one wants the players running the show in our case it is essential those players are buying into Taylors plans - we can not afford to lose any of them . There has to be a point where if it is not moving forward, then he has to go, just like Potter. Not sure who would be brave or crazy enough to take it on next.

 

[littletiger]

I think i've worked out what Taylor is doing…... So the last five years or so we have been an bottom 4 team... what was keeping us at the top of the bottom 4 was a few recruits each year mixed with our junior development. Sheens had this at a very fine balance then Potter took over and a combination of the both has left our cap in a mess with a lot of players that are not good enough for first grade.

Meanwhile taylor has stepped in and instead of juggling what his inherited his taken a look and decided he wants to have one or two lean years so he can get the cap in order to purchase the players he envisions will be a top eight team. Phil Moss also has experience with this at panthers.

I agree Taylor coaching at times warrants the recent frustration shown and its very questionable whether he is the coach that can pull it off. But I'm happy the cap is being fixed and hopefully these hard couple of years lead to better player retention down the track.

 

[Chevy]

JT at the moment doesn't come across as the most pro-active coach which was evident last Sunday at LO, what seemed clearly evident to others didn't register with him.It makes me wonder are the WT putting their best team on the field each week,or are team selections hindered by other influences.