Taylor not to blame for Tigers woes.....

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Big Kieth has defended JTs coaching and has blamed himself and the playing group for their poor performance against Penrith..he stated that JT had a very good gameplan,however,the team didn't execute it well,hence the loss...

This brings me to the question of....

Is this just a sign that the majority of the group are young and still imature or is our entire playing group completely below NRL standard ?

I understand that youth takes time to develope,however the experienced in our team have been around long enough to understand a "gameplan" when it is put into place..

I think that Happy,Russ and others said it wil take time...I wonder how much time it takes before everyone at the club starts thinking if it will ever sink in....

Once again,and I know we have limited finances,recruitment will be paramount if we are to become an NRL team consistently being in the top 4/8....just my view...
 
TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?
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Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...
 
Of course Keith is going to say publicly that it's not the coaches fault. Any player that publicly ridicules the coach has a one way ticket out of the club.
I wonder what he thinks behind closed doors?

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@Pokies said:
Of course Keith is going to say publicly that it's not the coaches fault. Any player that publicly ridicules the coach has a one way ticket out of the club.
I wonder what he thinks behind closed doors?

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So Kieth won't bag the coach,but he will himself and his teammates,sounds like he will bring ridicule upon himself..in more ways than one….
 
True Tiger it happens all the time. How many players in the last 5 years have come out in the media questioning the decisions made by their current coach? It just doesn't happen, unless the player is backed into a corner with no out. Why do you think Farah was so upset that Tallis made a private conversation public last year. Look at the crap it started. Players are smart enough to know when you want a coach gone don't declare it out loud.
Keith accepting responsibility is what most players do after a loss.

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Well TT it is hard to know where we will finish up in the long run.
Some of us have the faith - others do not.

It is interesting what Keiffy has said and he could be right. Like to think he is.

It is not hard to learn a game plan, a little harder when you are younger though.

The trick is and I think (I don't know) what JT is trying to achieve is a second nature scenario.
That is - this is the basic game plan guys for all games ( we will adjust slightly for each game depending on who we are playing). Now things are going to go wrong during the game e.g. Dogs in the first game, Raiders, recently when Simona went off and so on.

I would suggest what maybe what he is trying to do is not get them to panic in adverse situations.
These are situations that the basic game plan must be there to fall back on. We must go back to it in times of adversity and not panic. This is hard with young guys who are used to throwing the ball around to get out of trouble and youngsters who have not had to defend themselves out of trouble and grind away until the opportunity comes around again. This is what takes these young guys time to comprehend and to get the experience to be able to fall back on the basic game plan.

Lesson over - sorry, just my take TT. I know nothing more than you.

Do not agree though, that Moses and Brooks are not the real deal.
 
@Russell said:
Well TT it is hard to know where we will finish up in the long run.
Some of us have the faith - others do not.

It is interesting what Keiffy has said and he could be right. Like to think he is.

It is not hard to learn a game plan, a little harder when you are younger though.

The trick is and I think (I don't know) what JT is trying to achieve is a second nature scenario.
That is - this is the basic game plan guys for all games ( we will adjust slightly for each game depending on who we are playing). Now things are going to go wrong during the game e.g. Dogs in the first game, Raiders, recently when Simona went off and so on.

I would suggest what maybe what he is trying to do is not get them to panic in adverse situations.
These are situations that the basic game plan must be there to fall back on. We must go back to it in times of adversity and not panic. This is hard with young guys who are used to throwing the ball around to get out of trouble and youngsters who have not had to defend themselves out of trouble and grind away until the opportunity comes around again. This is what takes these young guys time to comprehend and to get the experience to be able to fall back on the basic game plan.

Lesson over - sorry, just my take TT. I know nothing more than you.

Do not agree though, that Moses and Brooks are not the real deal.
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Russ,that's why I said in my first post,"is the team still young and imature"…

I think CK has little faith in the halves because of the mediocre performances so far this year,but things may change as they go along...
 
@TrueTiger said:
@Tiger Watto said:
Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?

Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...
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I am starting to wonder about how good a communicator JT is and the relevance of the game plan as Watto has pointed out.
 
I too have wondered for some time now whether Taylor has the ability to adjust his game plan for the players he has right now. That's what good coaches are able to do.

So big Keithy thinks the game plan was a good one? And Taylor says the game plan is simple?. Yet the players failed miserably in implementing that good and simple game plan numerous times this year .
Says to me that the game plan isn't suited our teams strengths and weaknesses.
 
We have the youngest team in the comp. Wasn't it a mgt decision to go with our youth rather than bring in experience? This is probably due to our cap/finance situation but we still can't blame our young kids (i.e. Moses, Brooks, Siro, Lovett, etc.) for our position on the ladder when really they probably should still be learning in NSW cup. Although I do agree that the best place for them to learn is in 1st grade.

RE: the game plan, maybe its that simple/conservative that other teams have worked us out already & find us easy to contain. I just think we're not playing to our strengths, i.e. Patty not allowed to use his magic kickoffs, Lodge not being allowed to offload, Marty playing more minutes & therefore minimising his impact, etc, etc.

Did anyone really expect us to set the comp alight this year?
 
@TrueTiger said:
@Tiger Watto said:
Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?

Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...
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There is simply no other consequences as there is simply no other players that are yet up to it .

Nathan Milone is playing cause his in the Top 25 Contracted players in our Club if you pick outside these Top 25 players well your paying big dollars on those players playing and how our Salary Cap situation is going….....it will never happen.

So the Morale of the story is players can keep playing half hearted cause in reality they will keep there spots in 1st Grade as demonstrated by our side to take on the Eels.
 
Ever watched the movie Semi Pro with Will Farrell?

Maybe that's what Taylor should do with the players, make them run the same play over and over again to they puke! It worked for them, and they had no talent but then again it was a movie.

Couldn't make us any worse then we have been lately
 
How come we get a coach everyone says he will turn things around it does not happen.
Then next minute people want him gone..
Need to cull a few average players and sign decent players for the right positions.
Blake Austin should of been kept and playing 5/8 where he wanted to be..
Young Moses could of warmed the bench or play NSW cup until he was ready for 1st grade..
Anyway things don't seem to be getting any better..
 
I don't buy the whole gameplan situation. How much do we change our structure and style of play based on our opposition? Buggerall TBH, we are quite a one dimensional side in attack with basically no unpredictability with Marshall now at the Dragons.

The biggest issue with our team is still getting the players switched on each week when they take to the field to play.
 
For some reason after half time last week the team look disinterested. The first set Penrith had they almost made it to our 30 metre line and ultimately scored.
Whatever was said by the coach at half time either wasnt listened to or didn't go down well with the players. Lets hope if there was an issue, they got it sorted out during the week.
 
@cqtiger said:
TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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Do you know, interestingly, Brooks is 2nd in the whole comp for try assists, and 5th for line break assists ?

He's 10th for kick metres, but Moses is 11th, meaning they share kicking duties, because no club has 2 players in the Top 10 .

He is 17th in the comp for errors, 11th for missed tackles (he only has 4 more than Benji) and not in Top 20 for ineffective tackles.

I know stats aren't everything, but these figures say Brooks isn't really average. He's not great, he's not carving up, but he is statistically above average in the metrics that count for halves.

I sometimes wonder about expectations vs reality. In other words, is Brooks a good footballer for a 20 year old in his second full year, rather than is he good for all halfbacks ever?
 
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