Tears dont cut it Mr. President

AmericanHistoryX

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Tears don't cut it, Mr President. After another school massacre on Friday, a tearful Barack Obama declared ''our hearts are broken'', before promising ''meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics''.

Sadly, the man is not to be believed.

Wind back. Try January last year and a senseless shooting in Texas, in which six people were murdered and 18 injured, including the congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

Obama told the country at the time: ''We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence.'' To which a sceptic might justifiably reply: ''Yes, we can.''

Similarly, when Obama said on Friday that he was responding as a parent, not as a president, the cynic would have observed ''same as last time'', which is to say he did nothing.

As Giffords fought for her life - a bullet had sliced through her head - Obama adopted one of his heroic poses, declaring: ''We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future.''

He asked that Americans conduct ''a national conversation … about everything, from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health system''.

And then the President, who might have been expected to lead such a conversation, nodded off.

One of Obama's problems is that he talks political courage better than he actually does it. Even as the gunman rampaged through Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday, Americans were digesting Obama's latest collapse in the face of an ugly stare and tough talk from the conservative side of politics.

Obama had wanted Susan Rice, his UN ambassador, to take over from Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. The President talked tough and then went to water, allowing Rice to withdraw her name and leaving the Republicans as victors in the first stoush of the new presidential term.

That American conversation could start by asking how obscene does an obscenity have to be before people respond, beyond wondering if Hollywood will make this massacre into a film; or perhaps, how pathetic should pathetic leadership become, before voters demand action.

By the time he breasted the microphones on Friday afternoon, Obama at least had the right words to say. Earlier, his political machine seemed to adopt the same tactics as the political thugs who run the National Rifle Association. When the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, was asked by the media about gun-law reform, he responded with that hoary old shut-down of what might be the start of a national debate: ''Today is not the day.''

Wrong. A day on which 28 innocents - 20 of them schoolchildren - are murdered is a perfect day on which to challenge and stare down those who defend a legal system and culture that makes the US one of the most violent countries on Earth.

Americans like to tut-tut at the barbarity of those depraved people in Syria who, since the outbreak of civil war early last year, have killed an estimated 40,000 of their own. But, ho-hum, as many as 30,000 Americans die from gun violence every year.

Mushed in with the much-abused notion of personal liberty, Americans love guns. As many as 300 million weapons are in circulation and another 4 million are pushed into the market each year. A reputable organ like The Atlantic Monthly will run a supposedly learned piece of 6000-plus words, trying to stand up an argument that more guns are the answer.

Thoughtful writers, like Time's Joe Klein, do grapple with the complexity of it all. ''These rampages mean something, but the meaning is complicated and hard to untangle,'' he wrote in August, in the aftermath of the Colorado cinema massacre in which 12 filmgoers died.

''The violence has a lot to do with the state of our mental health; the increased mobility and atomisation of our society; the time young men in particular spend alone, staring into television and computer screens; the comic-book depiction of brutality - and yes, the availability of even more kinetic weaponry.''

Likewise, The Washington Post's Ezra Klein asks the bleeding obvious: if dozens of motorists die in road collapses, surely there would be talk about preventing road collapses; if terrorists detonate bombs in port after port, wouldn't Congress work to upgrade national security.

The Post's Klein then notes: ''As others have observed, talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn't 'too soon.' It's much too late.''

To all this, the gun lobby responds inanely. Try this sample, penned by a Daniel Greenfield in frontpagemag.com in an article headlined ''The only way to stop a gun is with a gun'': ''The gun control debate … is reducible to the question of whether we are individuals who make our own decisions or a great squishy social mass that helplessly responds to stimuli.

''The clash that will define the future of America is this collision between the individual and the state, between disorganised freedom and organised compassion, between a self-directed experiment in self-government and an experiment conducted by trained experts on a lab monkey population.''

The manner in which elected politicians cower in the face of threats by the gun lobby continues to amaze and little attention is paid to detailed research that proves it is a paper tiger.

Even the NRA being revealed as ''the biggest loser'' in last month's election campaign, in terms of having virtually no impact on the outcome despite a $10.9 million spend, was reported only fleetingly.

Defining a return on investment as the effectiveness of lobbying dollars spent to support candidates who won and to oppose candidates who lost, the Sunlight Foundation, which tracks political spending, calculated the NRA's return on investment at a paltry 0.8 per cent.

Obama could not have foreseen Friday's bloodletting. Still, he was a bit too cocky in a midweek television interview, when asked what the Feds would do about Colorado and Washington states legalising the recreational use of marijuana. ''We've got bigger fish to fry,'' he said.

Well then, perhaps it's time Mr Obama gathered the people around the national campfire to show them how he might fry a big fish like, oh, how about the NRA?
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Its a tragedy. One of the parents of the kids that were killed told the media that just yesterday the kid asked 'whats it feel like to die"

And like another parent said "there are 20 more angels in heaven today"

And Charles Heston - "over my cold dead body will guns be perished" - Bowling for Colombine - Michael Moore
Shame Shame Shame Charles - stick to acting!

On behalf of the Wests Tigers Forum - our condoloscences to Newtown Conneticut New York.
 
Gun control is a must in the US, but they will be useless unless the attitudes and culture towards guns change.
 
That's exactly right CB even the most mild mannered Americans that I know feel they have a right to have a gun and I've even heard someone say because everyone else does. I can't believe that situations like yesterday can happen and people will still defend the right of every man to carry a gun
 
It's a shame they are blaming the president for this one. Democracy by it's very nature is about the will of the people. Unfortunately, American's just love their guns too much.

I think the whole world wishes they would change. It effects not just them, but the whole world when events like this happen.

AmerHistX - Completely agree, Charlton Heston is a disgusting excuse for a human being after what he did at columbine. I hope the NRA have more sense this time. No doubt Fox news will be trying to stop an open gun control discussion again.
 
What occurred is nothing but a tragedy. I really do hope that this tragedy will bring a change to the gun laws. But I have my doubts.
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The problem is even if they do apply a ban to guns many Americans just will point blank refuse to hand them in

And that what scares the lawful Americans that will hand their guns in

They will be at a huge disadvantage

And then how would you get the guns back and enforce the laws Its far different that any other country that has brought laws in
 
if the Americans were to be serious about gun laws, they would have to change their constitution, and remove the right to bare arms.
 
but it ain that simple. The America cultured is embedded in guns since the days of Daniel Boone. And then you need to look at all the people who have guns for defence. The question you should be asking is in defence for what? Therein lies the definition of society in 2012 - 2013 etc. It wont be in the Webster dictionary. Hollywood has glamourized death - embedded in the culture - i dont think it is possible anymore to imagine an America without guns for defence. Why begrudge the ordinary middle class American family - who afterall will keeps their sons and daughters alive & healthy. Who said cowboys and Indians are dead - paradoxically - its thriving. In the words of Donnie Brasco - 'fugedoubidid' - guns are here to stay.
 
The widespread attention it gets from the media is also to blame. They spray the names of these people who perpetrate these acts so the next clown who sucks at life can live on in infamy. They've racked up some big scores this year, so it wouldn't be surprising to hear that it's a case of copycats trying to outdo the previous person.

I find it ironic also that when some lunatic guns down a couple of dozen kids it's a tragedy, but a US strike drone kills a dozen kids in the middle east it's considered foreign policy.
 
Yanks are screwed in the head…..I really hate the way society seems to go, I know the evil, low breed disrespectful criminal element only make up a small portion of society but its depressing and saddening that evil scumbags actions can affect so many good honest decent genuine good people....but the other way around....a kind generous good natured act gets nothing of the attention it deserves, generally.

What a bunch of losers
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
The widespread attention it gets from the media is also to blame. They spray the names of these people who perpetrate these acts so the next clown who sucks at life can live on in infamy. They've racked up some big scores this year, so it wouldn't be surprising to hear that it's a case of copycats trying to outdo the previous person.

I find it ironic also that when some lunatic guns down a couple of dozen kids it's a tragedy, but a US strike drone kills a dozen kids in the middle east it's considered foreign policy.

Your first paragraph hits the nail on the head mate. It's sad that more people will remember the animal who murdered innocent kids rather then the victims themselves. Then the next nut bag is just going to try and outdo this piece of filth
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@westTAHger said:
if the Americans were to be serious about gun laws, they would have to change their constitution, and remove the right to bare arms.

**A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state**, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

It seems obvious to me but the purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow citizens to participate in the shared defence of their state/country etc. The first part places a major caveat on why the right to keep and bear arms is necessary. If the intent was to protect private property/life from individual criminals the wording would be different.

You always hear gun nuts say these type of events could be prevented by someone else with a gun even though no rampages (as far as I know) have been prevented this way and in many cases the guns used were legally obtained. Gives me some pride in this country that gun control after Port Arthur was bipartisan. Probably one of Howard's greatest achievements too.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
The widespread attention it gets from the media is also to blame. They spray the names of these people who perpetrate these acts so the next clown who sucks at life can live on in infamy. They've racked up some big scores this year, so it wouldn't be surprising to hear that it's a case of copycats trying to outdo the previous person.

**I find it ironic also that when some lunatic guns down a couple of dozen kids it's a tragedy, but a US strike drone kills a dozen kids in the middle east it's considered foreign policy**.

Maybe, but I think it is mainly due to the fact CB that the middle-east is literally a war-zone and a certain amount of civilian casualties is probably inevitable. Still doesn't make it ideal or acceptable though I know.

RIP to the poor little innocent kids and their heroically brave teachers that gave their life to protect them.
 
Guns don't commit crimes, scum do. These morons that are hell bent on committing these cowardly acts will always find a way.
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It took Port Arthur for Australia to wake up and tighten gun control laws. Are they effective? As a firearm owner, I think so. It's a fairly straightforward approach to getting a category A/B licence (bolt action rifle, air rilfe, shotgun - non pump), it's a bit harder to get a pistol licence, but we're not seeing problems with licenced firearm owners, it's the black market for those willing to pay a premium to secure an illegal weapon which is the cause of firearm related injuries and deaths at present.

The gun lobby in the US holds too much power for change to take effect. Hell, the SHOT show at Las Vegas takes up 4 floors at the Las Vegas Convention Centre each year and is the largest of its kind anywhere in the world, and they display and demo so much gear it's staggering. And we're also talking about a country which spends more on defence than it does on education, and that itself equals a whole lot of firearms unfortunately.
 
People may argue that gun control will not guarantee that a similar incident will not occur again. I say that gun control will very much reduce the likelihood of a re-occurrence. Americans no longer need guns to protect themsleves against the native indians. Americans, if they are honest, would admit that they are not proud of a Consitution which allows maniacs to run amok with high powered guns.
 
@willow said:
It took Port Arthur for Australia to wake up and tighten gun control laws. Are they effective? As a firearm owner, I think so. It's a fairly straightforward approach to getting a category A/B licence (bolt action rifle, air rilfe, shotgun - non pump), it's a bit harder to get a pistol licence, but we're not seeing problems with licenced firearm owners, it's the black market for those willing to pay a premium to secure an illegal weapon which is the cause of firearm related injuries and deaths at present.

The gun lobby in the US holds too much power for change to take effect. Hell, the SHOT show at Las Vegas takes up 4 floors at the Las Vegas Convention Centre each year and is the largest of its kind anywhere in the world, and they display and demo so much gear it's staggering. And **we're also talking about a country which spends more on defence than it does on education**, and that itself equals a whole lot of firearms unfortunately.

I would have guessed that we in Oz probably just about do too Willow. I would be curious to see the figures on that
 
@tigermaniac said:
Guns don't commit crimes, scum do. These morons that are hell bent on committing these cowardly acts will always find a way.
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The ultimate straw-man argument… Why not let people own thermonuclear devices or rocket launchers?

Semi-automatics make it a lot easier to kill people quickly and prevent people getting away. People with knives or even shotguns are extremely unlikely to be able to kill 28 people in one go. I really don't think the lack of gun rampages in this country since the gun laws were passed is a coincidence...
 

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