Tears dont cut it Mr. President

[AmericanHistoryX]

this is getting a little sad. How in the world is it imaginable that Bush would kill his own people on his own soil. I cant get my brain around it. i really cant.
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The bush's are an evil family mate. Go back through their history.

The Bush administration were capable of this and far worse. They made up lies about Iraq's WMD's and sent us to war….what about Guantanmo Bay? Abu Ghraib? The NSA tapping citizens pnones illegally in direct contrevention of the FISA and their own 4th amendment rights?

this is like telling me that Christ never existed.

this is all too much to believe. Unless I'm the biggest fool on the planet. What if it is true - what then.

Didnt Bush always say" God Bless America" - talk about the axis of evil

what shall i believe. I feel like Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense - M. Night. Shamalayan

Because if it is true then Bush is just as guilty as Hitler.

This only affirms my belief in the afterlife. Because if its true then we are living in a world of male spunk.

And shame on Obama for covering this up also.

Only the government know who shot JFK, we will never know - and Bush will get away with war crimes.

This is all too much at the moment Stryker.

Time to watch the Big Lebowski and chill out.


 

[AmericanHistoryX]

and 2 planes DID fly into the World Trade Centre right? can we clarify this?

Yes. I don't doubt that for 1 moment. There are theories that say they were holograms or military aircraft fitted with MTHEL weapons. I don't believe any of that for a second. So I'm not a total loony!!
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well i was there when it happened and saw the second plane go in myself. I thought I was going crazy all over again. Yes, i did see that plane, it came swirling around like an around the corner kicker and straight into our beloved WTC. I was there that beautiful Tuesday morning, an ocean of blue sky, then it all came down and the sky turned black.

 

[brk53y]

Lol AHX.

One sentence I find extremely interesting from the link I just provided is:

The international centre for 9/11 studies obtained evidence, in addition to the firefighter tapes, that suggests NIST edited several videos of the collapse of building 7 in order to hide evidence of a controlled implosion
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[AmericanHistoryX]

Lol AHX.

One sentence I find extremely interesting from the link I just provided is:

The international centre for 9/11 studies obtained evidence, in addition to the firefighter tapes, that suggests NIST edited several videos of the collapse of building 7 in order to hide evidence of a controlled implosion
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but why?
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[brk53y]

Lol AHX.

One sentence I find extremely interesting from the link I just provided is:

The international centre for 9/11 studies obtained evidence, in addition to the firefighter tapes, that suggests NIST edited several videos of the collapse of building 7 in order to hide evidence of a controlled implosion
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but why?
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Your probably better off asking Stryker that mate. He is far more articulate then I am and he could give you a better understanding of the reasons why. But from what I can gather it was to justify the war on terror. Bush wanted to go into Iraq and finish off what his father started. Also the control of oil pipelines was apparently another reason. I have also read that he wanted to invade Afghanistan to gain control of the lucrative opium trade, although that I don't really see the benefit of.

AHX do a quick search on the net of the videos that are claimed to be found not long after the US invaded Afghanistan. In one Osama bin laden claims responsibility for the attacks. However it has been claimed by not only middle eastern intelligence agencies but also many European agencies that it is a fake.
One retired CIA operative with 32 years service also questions its authenticity.
For these reasons:
Bin laden can be seen in the video writing with his right hand, even though it was widely acknowledged by US intelligence agencies that he was left handed.
Bin laden can be seen wearing a gold ring, even though this goes against his Muslim faith. (That part I'm not sure of.)
A top German professor (i will find his name for you) who is an expert in Arab language has discredited the video as being falsely translated by American authorities, even to the point of inserting words where what bin laden is saying is inaudible. Even advanced listening technology can not ascertain what he is saying, yet American authorities can insert whatever words they like?

Like I have said all along I don't fully understand all the reasons why the government would have a hand in what happened, but to many things don't add up.
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[Yossarian]

You and ink claim it is found in many households yet haven't named what explosives you are talking about.

Actually Ink said that although I've got no reason to think he's wrong. I said the material supposedly that was a byproduct of explosives is also used in construction.

Yoss I may be wrong but you seem to be taking this personally?

You are wrong. I'm not sure why myself presenting facts is taking it personally.

Stryker and myself are merely presenting an alternative theory backed by IMO pretty strong evidence. You are also presenting pretty strong evidence that supports the official theory.

Well yes…

4 days prior to the attacks the tower suffered a 36 hour power loss. Workers were told this was for maintenance and for the replacement of cables. During this time no security cameras were operational and security doors usually requiring an access card were unrestricted. A fact backed up by numerous people who worked at the towers.

Sorry but this is flat out wrong. We're talking about buildings housing tenants involved in global economics. You think they'd put up with a 36 hour outage? There is zero evidence this happened.

2 weeks prior to the attacks regular emergency evacuation drills were carried out at the towers, an event described as unusual by employees. After the drills unidentified people were allowed access to the building to make sure it was safe, with workers told it was all part of the drill. A fact backed up by numerous people who worked in the towers.

Hang on is it a regular drill or unusual? We have drills all the time. I'd dare say there isn't enough time to rig a building for demolition in that time. How do you suggest they break walls and replace them with nobody noticing? Tbh I've not seen anything on this issue though and I'm betting this unusual behaviour wasn't mentioned before 9/11

George bush's brother marvin is head of a security company called securacom, who controlled all security operations at the towers.

Not true. Marvin Bush didn't even work for Securacom at the time of 9/11, the company didn't have control over anything by Sep 2001 and even when they did it is not correct to say they controlled ALL of the security operations. The head of security at the time of the attacks died when the tower collapsed so he obviously wasn't in on the plan which seems odd.

Bomb sniffer dogs were part of the patrol process of the towers. 5 days prior to the attacks, they were withdrawn from patrol. A fact backed up by numerous people who worked in the towers.

The bomb sniffer dogs were not part of usual patrol processes - they'd been their for 2 weeks in response to bomb threats. There were still sniffer dogs for vehicles entering WTC. Some of them died in the collapse of the buildings.

 

[brk53y]

Ok yoss we'll have to agree to disagree. As is often the case with text based conversation, people can be taken the wrong way. You came across to me as getting a little bit cranky. I apologise for taking you the wrong way.

Did you get a chance to read the prison planet link I provided?
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[innsaneink]

Yoss I understand your theory about things being forced out under pressure. Working with high pressure energy is part of my job. That doesn't explain the numerous statements from firefighters in the buildings who said there were explosives in there. It also doesn't explain the flashes coming from 10 floors below when the building is coming down.
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Theres explosive substances in just about every household
Nanothermite? Very weak statement you have made there…in fact it means jack squat.

Only one bloke here seems to be using much common sense - Yoss
Common sense is very subjective. To me it is common sense that if a building has a plane slam into the side of it, than the destruction to the structural integrity of that side dictates the building will lurch and come apart at that point. It doesnt make sense that the whole thing pancakes.

You either accept and believe what the mass media is feeding you as the truth or you look outside the box. To Yoss's credit he seems to have read a fair bit on the subject and has indeed looked outside of the official line. He has taken a line and has found information to back him up through his research. Guess what? so have we. This is why events like this are always shrouded in mystery....there is a multitude of evidence on both sides of the fence.

Ppl just love putting 2+2 together and coming up with everything bar 4
Typical reaction of someone who believes everything they are told to believe. Those who employ critical thinking are crackpots, conspiracy theorists etc....I think people who watch the news and swallow everything presented as gospel are brainwashed so each to their own.

Heres a summary of the collapse by a collective of Architects, Chemical Engineers, Metalurgists, Material analysis experts, Structural Engineers, Material science engineers, Physists and other experts including chemistry professors, mathematicians and aeronautical engineers who dont agree with the 'official' story.

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of collapse
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction
3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
1. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
2. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
3. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed

The Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed

You tools just love putting words in ppls mouths…while being quite the hypocrite accusing others of twisting words.....I NEVER mentioned any sustance you mentioned....learn to comprehend

Youve seen first hand the killing of innocent ppl by the govt... :laughing: .LOL....and youve read 30 books on 9/11.....
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Get a hobby

All the other _assumption_s youve made about me based on one sentence just highlites youre ignorance and vivid imagination which is thus reflected in all your posts in the thread

 

[Yossarian]

Ok yoss we'll have to agree to disagree. As is often the case with text based conversation, people can be taken the wrong way. You came across to me as getting a little bit cranky. I apologise for taking you the wrong way.

Did you get a chance to read the prison planet link I provided?
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No dramas mate. I admire you enthusiasm - I just thing it is misplaced in this instance.

Haven't had a chance yet no but I'll try and take a look soon.

 

[stryker]

Insaneink…you are without a doubt the biggest, most childish loser I have ever come across. You never say anything do you? It would appear your goal in life is to sit around all day in your lonely little house and spit venom at strangers on this forum because you have neither the skills, nor the intellect to debate with anyone on here. You tried to be a smart arse earlier on, I treated your post with the contempt it deserved as everyone else was supplying facts and/or evidence and you had a whine. You very rarely add anything of substance to any thread....moreso you pathetically troll certain members like a love sick stalker and reply to their posts with your BS spam.

Yoss and Happy are disagreeing with us but look at their posts compared to your raving dribble. You just can not handle someone disagreeing with your bent analysis of anything. It is really boring and so are you. I have watched you for years now pick on the youngest members of this forum because it makes you feel like a big man. Your not chump. I suspect most here could squash you like the smelly germ you clearly are.

Now if you have anything to add to this thread please feel free I'd like to hear it...otherwise do us all a favour and get lost.

 

[innsaneink]

Typical stryker, why dont you address my points put to you instead of childishly hurling insults?
Boring?
Maybe you can tell us all - again - how you punched out 5 dogs fans in the dunnies at ANZ….nothing quite like a keyboard warrior to entertain us. Ive read and laughed at you for years too....youre certainly not boring ie: = 'everyone supplying 'facts' :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

[cktiger]

What happened to Stryker's comment?
I personally don't agree with his take on 911 but is it now ok for some people to ridicule his comments without his right of reply?
Didn't need the mods on this occasion- or are we now playing favourites?

 

[stryker]

Sorry Stryker ,but they had a precedence with Afghanistan with the Russians

And the Americans had already had their own Afghan war 20 years earlier in Vietnam

You can't kill all the bad guys when you find it very hard to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys

Yeah that is all true but we think differently to them. The American military machine is extraordinarily gung-ho.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yoss I understand your theory about things being forced out under pressure. Working with high pressure energy is part of my job. That doesn't explain the numerous statements from firefighters in the buildings who said there were explosives in there. It also doesn't explain the flashes coming from 10 floors below when the building is coming down.
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Theres explosive substances in just about every household
Nanothermite? Very weak statement you have made there…in fact it means jack squat.

Only one bloke here seems to be using much common sense - Yoss
Common sense is very subjective. To me it is common sense that if a building has a plane slam into the side of it, than the destruction to the structural integrity of that side dictates the building will lurch and come apart at that point. It doesnt make sense that the whole thing pancakes.

You either accept and believe what the mass media is feeding you as the truth or you look outside the box. To Yoss's credit he seems to have read a fair bit on the subject and has indeed looked outside of the official line. He has taken a line and has found information to back him up through his research. Guess what? so have we. This is why events like this are always shrouded in mystery....there is a multitude of evidence on both sides of the fence.

Ppl just love putting 2+2 together and coming up with everything bar 4
Typical reaction of someone who believes everything they are told to believe. Those who employ critical thinking are crackpots, conspiracy theorists etc....I think people who watch the news and swallow everything presented as gospel are brainwashed so each to their own.

Heres a summary of the collapse by a collective of Architects, Chemical Engineers, Metalurgists, Material analysis experts, Structural Engineers, Material science engineers, Physists and other experts including chemistry professors, mathematicians and aeronautical engineers who dont agree with the 'official' story.

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of collapse
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction
3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
1. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
2. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
3. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed

The Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed

You tools just love putting words in ppls mouths…while being quite the hypocrite accusing others of twisting words.....I NEVER mentioned any sustance you mentioned....learn to comprehend

Youve seen first hand the killing of innocent ppl by the govt... :laughing: .LOL....and youve read 30 books on 9/11.....
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Get a hobby

All the other _assumption_s youve made about me based on one sentence just highlites youre ignorance and vivid imagination which is thus reflected in all your posts in the thread

Look I rarely criticise the Mods and Admin and this is nothing personal towards you either Ink But I can't understand why the other 2 posts were deleted and this one stayed It is just as inflammatory as the other 2 imo

Just Happy's opinion thats all