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@TimmyB said:
Ok, I think you've entirely missed my point mate. I'm not doubting the information that is being told for to you.

I'm saying there are two sides of the coin. Based on the limited information you have provided - and received - it is difficult to draw any conclusions as to the club's competence in negotiations with Tedesco.

It is the Mayer's job to secure Tedesco on terms that are suitable to the Tigers. It is Ayoub's job to secure contract that is suitable to Tedesco. In monetary terms it is a zero sum game. For every extra dollar Ayoub squeezes out of the Tigers it is a dollar the Tigers cannot spend elsewhere.

It is naive of you to take the word of Tedesco's camp as goespel with no concrete figures regarding the offer put to Tedesco, the alternatives on the table, or the salary cap space the Tigers have to work with.

I'm glad the Tigers are trying to leverage loyalty and other intangibles. That's the job of our negotiating team. To get Tedesco for the lowest price possible - provided it does not create disharmony or other adverse effects.

I don't expect you to reveal your source. I don't even care who your source is. My point was that your source is clearly either Tedesco himself or a close family member. In that sense your information is tainted and is only part of the story. I think you would do well to acknowledge that rather than castigating the club for mismanagement et cetera.

Perhaps we have offered Tedesco $500k and his camp believes that is far less than he deserves and would get from the Roosters. Would you still advocate upping the offer in this circumstances?

I totally agree with this post. Teddy is a great young player but I think Benji was also fantastic. Its up to management to take a step back and offer fair value to the players in our club. We shouldn't be paying stupid money for players because that stuffs up long term.
 
@Goose said:
My info is that there is not a player in the comp who is owed money from any club.

3rd party arrangements are not governed the same as they are by definition an arrangement not involving the club.

I also reckon that this is true as well. The club pays its salaries. If they didn't we wouldn't be having a team run around every week.

3rd party arrangements are not paid by the club.
 
@stevetiger said:
@TimmyB said:
Ok, I think you've entirely missed my point mate. I'm not doubting the information that is being told for to you.

I'm saying there are two sides of the coin. Based on the limited information you have provided - and received - it is difficult to draw any conclusions as to the club's competence in negotiations with Tedesco.

It is the Mayer's job to secure Tedesco on terms that are suitable to the Tigers. It is Ayoub's job to secure contract that is suitable to Tedesco. In monetary terms it is a zero sum game. For every extra dollar Ayoub squeezes out of the Tigers it is a dollar the Tigers cannot spend elsewhere.

It is naive of you to take the word of Tedesco's camp as goespel with no concrete figures regarding the offer put to Tedesco, the alternatives on the table, or the salary cap space the Tigers have to work with.

I'm glad the Tigers are trying to leverage loyalty and other intangibles. That's the job of our negotiating team. To get Tedesco for the lowest price possible - provided it does not create disharmony or other adverse effects.

I don't expect you to reveal your source. I don't even care who your source is. My point was that your source is clearly either Tedesco himself or a close family member. In that sense your information is tainted and is only part of the story. I think you would do well to acknowledge that rather than castigating the club for mismanagement et cetera.

Perhaps we have offered Tedesco $500k and his camp believes that is far less than he deserves and would get from the Roosters. Would you still advocate upping the offer in this circumstances?

I totally agree with this post. Teddy is a great young player but I think Benji was also fantastic. Its up to management to take a step back and offer fair value to the players in our club. We shouldn't be paying stupid money for players because that stuffs up long term.

I'd rather 1 James Tedesco in my side over Ten Benji Marshall's

Teddy is a career player and his combination with Brooks along with our current good signs of forward power will bring players to the club in the future and stop the mistakes of paying overs for players

No one wanted to play with Marshall because he was too unpredictable, players will line up to play with Tedesco and Brooks

Tedesco's signing could be one of the most crucial signatures in the club history , along with Benji's non signature

We need to find away to make this club an attractive proposition no matter what our financial predicament is

I'm not sticking the boot into Benji on this one , but the club had to take a different direction
 
@happy tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
@TimmyB said:
Ok, I think you've entirely missed my point mate. I'm not doubting the information that is being told for to you.

I'm saying there are two sides of the coin. Based on the limited information you have provided - and received - it is difficult to draw any conclusions as to the club's competence in negotiations with Tedesco.

It is the Mayer's job to secure Tedesco on terms that are suitable to the Tigers. It is Ayoub's job to secure contract that is suitable to Tedesco. In monetary terms it is a zero sum game. For every extra dollar Ayoub squeezes out of the Tigers it is a dollar the Tigers cannot spend elsewhere.

It is naive of you to take the word of Tedesco's camp as goespel with no concrete figures regarding the offer put to Tedesco, the alternatives on the table, or the salary cap space the Tigers have to work with.

I'm glad the Tigers are trying to leverage loyalty and other intangibles. That's the job of our negotiating team. To get Tedesco for the lowest price possible - provided it does not create disharmony or other adverse effects.

I don't expect you to reveal your source. I don't even care who your source is. My point was that your source is clearly either Tedesco himself or a close family member. In that sense your information is tainted and is only part of the story. I think you would do well to acknowledge that rather than castigating the club for mismanagement et cetera.

Perhaps we have offered Tedesco $500k and his camp believes that is far less than he deserves and would get from the Roosters. Would you still advocate upping the offer in this circumstances?

I totally agree with this post. Teddy is a great young player but I think Benji was also fantastic. Its up to management to take a step back and offer fair value to the players in our club. We shouldn't be paying stupid money for players because that stuffs up long term.

I'd rather 1 James Tedesco in my side over Ten Benji Marshall's

Teddy is a career player and his combination with Brooks along with our current good signs of forward power will bring players to the club in the future and stop the mistakes of paying overs for players

No one wanted to play with Marshall because he was too unpredictable, players will line up to play with Tedesco and Brooks

Tedesco's signing could be one of the most crucial signatures in the club history , along with Benji's non signature

We need to find away to make this club an attractive proposition no matter what our financial predicament is

I'm not sticking the boot into Benji on this one , but the club had to take a different direction

No one wanted to play with Benji? I'm sure Rowdy & TNT appreciated all those assists. So you know that for a fact do you? I suggest you stop now before you goose yourself even more.

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Then explain why we couldn't find a decent halfback to play alongside the likes of Marshall ,Farah and Hodgson after recently winning a premiership fool ??

It had to do with the style of footy we played Players want to know what their role is on the footy field Its called structure

As fantastic as it was to watch from time to time , there would be times you wouldn't have a clue what was going through Benji's or Robbie's mind from one play to the next

Look what has worked since 2005 Structure ,Structure and some more structure

Apart from small parts of 2010 and 2011 we knew little about structure and the minute we tried it we were horrible
 
Firstly I want Teddy to resign with the Tigers answers your last question
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Honestly with the squad we have , we probably shouldn't have any financial restraints and if we have again that a issue the Tigers have brought on themselves
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They know who is coming up off contract and what approximate market price they will attract its not like " Surprise its 2014 , we have 8 players coming off contract "
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The Tigers must have had a list in order of priority who to keep and who is less important
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Tedesco is the top of the list in 2014 and most would agree I believe
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If Teddy has a long kicking game he has the potential to be the next Darren Lockyer
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And before every one has a laugh about that comment , I'm the same bloke who said Teddy will become a better fullback than Brett Hodgson and I'll stand by those comments as well
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This young man could be our once in a generation player in the fullback role for many years to come
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He could be our next captain
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We can't lose him to anyone
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If we lose Tedesco ,Mayer needs to man up and take responsibility and accountability for it
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Am I looking at this fairly , yes , we must retain Tedesco

Well my question was effectively, if we are offering 500k, and another club is offering well over that, do you think the Tigers should match that offer no matter what. I take it your response is yes. I disagree. I still have some concerns over his knee. I would want to see him play out another couple of years without injury before he was offered superstar money.

Anyway, that is all hypothetical because neither of us knows the figures being offered - which was sort of my point.

There is one of two possibilities
1) We are unable or unwilling to offer Tedesco a fair value
2) We are unwilling to offer him what he wants and what is on offer elsewhere.

If we are unwilling to offer Tedesco a fair amount then that is absolute folly. He is clearly a superstar in the making. If we are unable to offer him fair value it is absolutely poor management. However it is not really on Mayer and the current club management, so it is unfair to castigate the current administration - it is not responsible for the current contractual obligations.

If it is the second, I am entirely on board with the club. We are not a club that can afford to offload players ala the Roosters and the Bulldogs. No player is bigger than the club. We should not be corraled into offering a player more than he is worth. That creates situations where we may not be able to offer players in the future.

I'm particularly hesitant about offering big contracts to players who are so reliant upon their speed and agility. Look at what happened with Lawrence. Before his hamstring trouble he was a genuine star and was on the cusp of origin selection. We are paying him accordingly to that ability and he is well below that.

Tedesco may well make it to the very top echelons of the game, but comparisons with Lockyer at this stage are laughable. Lockyer won three grand finals, most games for a single club, two golden boots, won 6 straight origin series as captain, played more SOO games than any other player, clive churchill medal winner, the list goes on.

In fact, by the age Tedesco is now Lockyer had won a premiership, won an origin series, and played for Australia. He was a prodigy.

Maybe he'll get there, but if you are suggesting the Tigers negotiate with Tedesco with a view to him being as good as Lockyer then you are being foolish. Hell, Brisbane wouldn't have offered Lockyer the sort of money they would have if they knew he was going to be as good as was.

If you are suggesting they are similar in style then I think that is completely wrong as well. Lockyer looked like a 5/8 from a very young age. I've not seen Tedesco show anything like the ballskills Lockyer had at a young age.

I think Tedesco is a fantastic player. I don't know what our cap situation is, but I would advocate a very, very healthy contract. Something like what the Dogs paid Morris. Anything else would be overs in my opinion.
 
Brisbane paid heaps for Lockyer

Well the Thoroughbreds paid heaps for Lockyer …............. The Broncos didn't

Lockyer's ball skills game developed as he developed

Tedesco has a short kicking game , good hands ,good defender

My concern would be his long kicking game as I originally said

As to your scenario , it was No 1 as I was told but as you correctly stated we don't know the full details I have no reason to disbelieve what I was told as everything that I have been told in the past has been true
 
@Guest said:
No one wanted to play with Benji? I'm sure Rowdy & TNT appreciated all those assists. So you know that for a fact do you? I suggest you stop now before you goose yourself even more.

With all due respect to the initial poster this was a dumb comment. I bet plenty of players wanted to play with Benji.
 
@stevetiger said:
@Guest said:
No one wanted to play with Benji? I'm sure Rowdy & TNT appreciated all those assists. So you know that for a fact do you? I suggest you stop now before you goose yourself even more.

With all due respect to the initial poster this was a dumb comment. I bet plenty of players wanted to play with Benji.

Yeah we had players from other clubs in the NRL falling over themselves to come join the Tigers didn't we Steve
 
I'm not saying your information is incorrect, rather it could be a matter of perspective. It may be that Tedesco deems the offer as unacceptable and not value. That doesn't mean that it isn't.

As for Lockyer, he came into grade as a 5/8 and was moved to fullback. It's not true to say he developed the skills to become a 5/8 over time - they were already there. One could see the vision he had from kick returns. I don't see that with Tedesco. Taking nothing away from him, he is a great footballer.
 
Happy, who are the players that have fallen over themselves to play with Smith, Cronk, and Slater? I'm not saying they wouldn't, just that the question you've asked doesn't really gauge whether players wanted to play with Benji or not.
 
"Well my question was effectively, if we are offering 500k,"

if the offer was 500k the deal would have been done by now !
 
@happy tiger said:
Yeah we had players from other clubs in the NRL falling over themselves to come join the Tigers didn't we Steve

I think we did. We got Ellis, Tuqiri & Blair. They were all reasonably big name signings at the time.
 
I reckon if we beat the Warriors, or at least play very very well…..the club may hold its hand and milk this for all its worth.

Manly @ LO on April 6 is predicted to be a fine day - Patchy light drizzle - 10% chance rain - a high of 24°c

The joint will be packed - as long as we have a go in NZ and show the same attitude we did v Souths.

Club might hold back the announcement for the week leading up to Cowboys at Cambo Sat April 12 - Cambos crowds have needed some help lately....the local boy, the "Camden Kid" re-signing might get a few locals off their fat A's and to the ground for a change
 
Why does this all have to be played out in the media ? Why can't Mayer and co show some professionalism and keep all these going ons confidential.

The bulldogs announce signings after they are done. Mayer turns the whole thing into a circus by getting on Twiiter and asking what Tedesco is worth. He now leaks a story saying they have made a lucrative offer yet no amount is mentioned and no confirmation from the Tedesco camp.

Someone from the board needs to tell Mayer there is no guarentee Tedesco will resign and leaking stories to the media will do more harm than good.
 
@Fumbles said:
Why does this all have to be played out in the media ? Why can't Mayer and co show some professionalism and keep all these going ons confidential.

The bulldogs announce signings after they are done. Mayer turns the whole thing into a circus by getting on Twiiter and asking what Tedesco is worth. He now leaks a story saying they have made a lucrative offer yet no amount is mentioned and no confirmation from the Tedesco camp.

Someone from the board needs to tell Mayer there is no guarentee Tedesco will resign and leaking stories to the media will do more harm than good.

Read the article, and read the quotes….read what Mayer said...its clear it was said some time ago- its anothe rmedia beat up

They sure saw you comin,,,,,
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Fairfax Media can reveal..........................

...is code for "We're just guessing here..."
 
@alex said:
If the club had a backup plan it would be okay, like Manly did with Hodkinson/DCE. Tedesco could very well be the best fullback this club has had. We'd be mad to let him go.

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@Fumbles said:
Why does this all have to be played out in the media ? **_Why can't Mayer and co show some professionalism_** and keep all these going ons confidential.

The bulldogs announce signings after they are done. Mayer turns the whole thing into a circus by getting on Twiiter and asking what Tedesco is worth. He now leaks a story saying they have made a lucrative offer yet no amount is mentioned and no confirmation from the Tedesco camp.

Someone from the board needs to tell Mayer there is no guarentee Tedesco will resign and leaking stories to the media will do more harm than good.

I completely agree Fumbles … Whether we resign Teddy or not ... Mayer hasn't handled himself or represented the club very well at all.
 
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