Tevita Pangai Junior

[Jedi_Tiger]

I’m just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?



Lee is a strong character and knows his stuff as the principal of Brydens Lawyers.

He has a segment that discusses current legal issues on 1170 SEN with Andrew Voss.

I like the segment very much. He cut the media talk to peices at times.

I credit LH with putting a bit of steal in the tigers Management team and knowing what and how sustained business success is achieved.

He doesn't take crap.

Lee H is good for the club I just wish he had not have got involved with the Nofo contract wrong move to have offered 4 years

 

[avocadoontoast]

I’m just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?



Lee is a strong character and knows his stuff as the principal of Brydens Lawyers.

He has a segment that discusses current legal issues on 1170 SEN with Andrew Voss.

I like the segment very much. He cut the media talk to peices at times.

I credit LH with putting a bit of steal in the tigers Management team and knowing what and how sustained business success is achieved.

He doesn't take crap.

No one is denying that, but he should have no influence on football department decisions.

 

[twentyforty]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.

 

[tony soprano]

I’m just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?



Lee is a strong character and knows his stuff as the principal of Brydens Lawyers.

He has a segment that discusses current legal issues on 1170 SEN with Andrew Voss.

I like the segment very much. He cut the media talk to peices at times.

I credit LH with putting a bit of steal in the tigers Management team and knowing what and how sustained business success is achieved.

He doesn't take crap.


Latest interview. SEN1170
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Mud2hvb3Noa2FhLmNvbS9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC9pZC8xMzMxOQ/episode/OTAyNTkyMGMtYzk2MC00YmQ3LWI3YmMtOWUzM2EzOTFlNTVh?ep=14

Too bad doesn’t know football tho

 

[the_third]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.

Reed was good when Marina Go was on the board and he worked with her husband. His Tigers info has been haphazard since then...

 

[Cairnstigers]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.

Pangai won't rip himself off
If Broncos want him off their books this year then they will need to chip in so he doesn't miss out on $
At a guess I would say they now want to go after Vaughan
Even if they say they don't want to
They can't make a move unless they know Pangai is gone for sure
Lodge is gone
Pangai is going
The best prop on the market will be Vaughan
Of course Broncos are sniffing

 

[DJG]

I'd love to have Pangai and Vaughn here..

It would seriously improve our forward go ten-fold.

 

[twentyforty]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.

Pangai won't rip himself off
If Broncos want him off their books this year then they will need to chip in so he doesn't miss out on $
At a guess I would say they now want to go after Vaughan
Even if they say they don't want to
They can't make a move unless they know Pangai is gone for sure
Lodge is gone
Pangai is going
The best prop on the market will be Vaughan
Of course Broncos are sniffing

Perhaps Pangai is holding out for his $100k promised by Broncos? Broncos are going to need to tip in if they want him gone. Interestingly, Pangai can’t play until round 20 and Vaughan in 8 games.

 

[Spartan117]

I'd love to have Pangai and Vaughn here..

It would seriously improve our forward go ten-fold.

When they're on, they're both real good. My Concern is the Attitude - Both strike me as Pay cheque type guys.

I worry we have to many of these guys in our club already and there's only so much Inspiration Magic Madge can instill in the guys during training.

Will they turn up and perform during games week on week??

 

[Curaeus]

I was wondering why this thread was still going I haven’t looked at it since we said we were done haha has there been any solid info on it?

Yep, possibly we are looking, though possibly we are not. Also possibly we have offered a new contract, though possibly we haven't. It's all clear as mud.:joy:


We did hear from Chairman Lee a few days ago saying WT have never made an offer to Pangai. That sounds promising? It could mean they’re considering to do what they said they never did?

I didn't hear Chairman Lee (as you call him) on the radio; I don't think he'd be newsworthy enough to crack a spot on radio stations I listen to (despite his healthy sense of self-importance ).

I'm just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?

Bryden's, his law firm (and our major sponsor), are big users of radio advertising. Maybe just keeping a big source of revenue happy!

 

[avocadoontoast]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.


Reed was good when Marina Go was on the board and he worked with her husband. His Tigers info has been haphazard since then...

I reckon Reed is one of the better ones. He’s not always right but he doesn’t do clickbait rubbish like the Hooper and Crawleys of the world.

 

[Devon Head]

I’m just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?



Lee is a strong character and knows his stuff as the principal of Brydens Lawyers.

He has a segment that discusses current legal issues on 1170 SEN with Andrew Voss.

I like the segment very much. He cut the media talk to peices at times.

I credit LH with putting a bit of steal in the tigers Management team and knowing what and how sustained business success is achieved.

He doesn't take crap.

No one is denying that, but he should have no influence on football department decisions.

I personally dislike his willingness to publicly declare the clubs interest or lack of in certain players. so far this has worked against us on every occasion and we've ended up missing out or looking amateurish.

 

[Moh]

Here we go again....again

 

[twentyforty]

I’m just curious though on how many other Chairpersons get interview spots on commercial radio? Lee seems to be a bit of a regular, from what I read? Are there others too? How many, and who are they?



Lee is a strong character and knows his stuff as the principal of Brydens Lawyers.

He has a segment that discusses current legal issues on 1170 SEN with Andrew Voss.

I like the segment very much. He cut the media talk to peices at times.

I credit LH with putting a bit of steal in the tigers Management team and knowing what and how sustained business success is achieved.

He doesn't take crap.

Lee H is good for the club I just wish he had not have got involved with the Nofo contract wrong move to have offered 4 years

Absolutely!! It had a bad smell then and it still does. As a result Nofa’s form has dropped off and his teammates are reluctant to support him in defence. Stupid mistake by someone who should know better, regardless of the circumstances and his good intentions.

 

[DJG]

I'd love to have Pangai and Vaughn here..

It would seriously improve our forward go ten-fold.

When they're on, they're both real good. My Concern is the Attitude - Both strike me as Pay cheque type guys.

I worry we have to many of these guys in our club already and there's only so much Inspiration Magic Madge can instill in the guys during training.

Will they turn up and perform during games week on week??

True, I do agree.

Although with what happened with Vaughn - he'd be out to prove himself.

As for Pangai - release the beast!

Both of these lads will only thrive with a group around them that make them happy (hopefully not too happy or they'll jump on the booze after game).

 

[Furious1]

According to Reed, bulldogs offer was $2.1 over 3 years. They don’t want to spend any of this years cap on him though. Apparently Broncos want him gone ASAP.
This is the same journo who claimed WT had made a formal offer.


Reed was good when Marina Go was on the board and he worked with her husband. His Tigers info has been haphazard since then...

I reckon Reed is one of the better ones. He’s not always right but he doesn’t do clickbait rubbish like the Hooper and Crawleys of the world.

Thats right. If you compare the articles by Read and Chammas one pretty much just deals in facts while the other works it so he can have another dig at WT.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

We should just stick to our original terms i think the figure bandied about was 600K for 2 seasons plus the remainder of this. I would seeing as though we have money this year chip in more than we would like for him this year with our remaining cap and maybe extend that 600k for 3 seasons and the rest of this. A bit more on the frontload and a normal amount for a player of his calibre going forward. Lets face it this season is a write off already no point writing off the next 2 or 3 if we dont need to.

 

[jirskyr]

Chammas pulling a rope-a-dope..

It is possible that the manager is trying to manufacture some competitive tension in his negotiation with another club.

More than possible.

 

[jirskyr]

Was only a matter of time for us to start getting desperate. The club needs a positive story.

Hopefully Hartigan doesn’t offer too much.

I can tell you, it is very hard to move him from a valuation.

I think you're correct but I also think that sort of binary approach is flawed. We could bid and be outbid for the next 20 quality players that come on the market and all it would take is for one of the other clubs to pay overs. I think it's very useful to have a process to value players coming onto the market but you also got to be prepared to stretch your valuation for the right player. I'd stretch for Finucane but probably not for TPJ.

The idea is that by sticking to your valuations you are able to pay overs when the right player come along, so you are right. The player you do pay overs for has to be a player that would fundamentally change your club though, I'm not sure either TPJ or Finucane fall into that category. That is what the club is trying to achieve.

Not many players out there that are sure fire, slam dunk , guaranteed to move the needle , that paying overs would totally be worth it. Even Kalyn Ponga could very well this time next year , be talked about like Ash Taylor.
I have no idea how you roll the dice , and who to even roll the dice on . Eg . The Adam Blair signing was hailed as really smart business at the time . Same for the Ash Taylor signing . He was considered to be the next in line for origin .
All the admin jobs/ coaching jobs to a very large extent are solely dependant on whether or not the guy you’ve hitched your career to , has the right stuff upstairs .
There’s soo much control you give away of your own existence . And it’s all dependant on what happens for 80 minutes a week .

I think it can be fairly argued that many of the top-dollar players are not worth it, so it's a very big risk to sign big-dollars, and the risk is not limited to 1 or 2 desperate or irrational clubs.

According to The Australian in July 2020, Top 30 player salaries in a list below. Even taking the salaries with a grain of salt, assuming the rough order of top-paid players is close enough to being accurate, for the purposes of discussion. Here is the list, with my opinion - and I am including the benefit of hindsight, because recruitment is not just about what is a good deal at the time, it's about a good deal long-term.

* #30 = Shaun Johnson Sharks 800K = not worth it 2020, probably better form 2021
* Jake Turbo Manly 800K = worth it 2020, a little down 2021
* Damien Cook Souths 800K = worth it 2020-21
* Wighton Raiders 800K = worth it 2020-21
* Latrell Souths 800K = worth it 2021, even more value 2021 (his salary went up however?)
* Mitch Pearce 800K Knights = not worth it 2020 or 2021, including injury
* RCG Eels 800K = worth it 20-21
* Klemmer Knights 800K = maybe ok 2020, not worth it 2021
* Cam Smith Storm 800K = steal any year
* Mbye Tigers 815K = nope
* #20 Mitch Moses Eels 830K = I think he's a mug but I can't be subjective
* Moylan Sharks 850K = abject failure both seasons
* Ponga Knights 850K = 2020 worth it, 2021 worth it if he can stay on the field
* Andrew Fifita Sharks 850K = 2020 serious risk, 2021 absolute waste of money
* Dugan Sharks 850K = 2020 not great, 2021 horrendous
* Reynolds Tigers 850K = 2020 conceptually ok but injured, 2021 wiped
* Corey Norman Dragons 850K = waste of money
* Munster Storm 850K = deal
* Turbo Manly 900K = steal
* Jack Bird Broncos 975K = injury curse, can't exactly blame the club for that though he had some history
* #10 Tedesco Roosters 1M = deal
* Taumalolo Cowboys 1M = OK for 2020, starting to show cracks in value 2021 and only 4/10 years into the deal
* Milford Broncos 1M = waste of money both years
* Michael Morgan Cowboys 1M = understandable, but broke down
* Nathan Cleary Panthers 1M = deal
* Kieran Foran Dogs 1M = abject waste of money, he had that injury history, for 1M
* Ash Taylor 1M = abject waste
* RTS Warriors 1.1M = deal, he's a club pillar
* Ben Hunt Drags 1.2M = waste of money, worth half that
* DCE Manly 1.25M = good footballer, not close to 1.25M and depends whether Turbo is playing

Let's say my personal opinion is an average position to take on reported salaries, again not entirely focusing on salary value but rather relative position in the list of top-paid players. So Milford, no matter exactly what he is paid, is probably somewhere in the Top 10 of all players.

So of the Top 10 players, in my average opinion, 5-6 of those million-dollar players were, at best, an average decision, and at worst, absolutely horrendous wastes of money. Even allowing for some benefit of hindsight, for example Cowboys probably weren't to know that Morgan would break down and he was a key player for them at the time of the deal. On the other hand, Dogs knew Foran was very injury-prone.

So forget about criticising individual clubs, just consider that about 50% of million-dollar deals haven't work out, for one reason or another. And focus on the fact that these are approx $1M decisions, not moneyball type modest contracts. So clubs are required to be even more risk-adverse and more diligent in decision making when going in on deals of that size, because it's a very very significant salary cap allocation (10% give or take). You can less afford to mess it up.

And even worse, some of those deals don't just work out for the reported value, they don't work out at all, i.e. even if the player was on 3/4 or 1/2 the money it wouldn't be a good deal. Anthony Milford isn't performing at half his salary.

It's not limited to one club, though some are more represented than others in the Top 30 of mistakes. Very damning for Sharks and the QLD teams. Tigers are only represented by 2 Cleary-era signings, which is interesting - Madge has not overseen a high-value contract since he arrived, either through risk-aversion, lack of talent on market or inability to offer a big contract.

Note that the Top 2 sides (Panthers, Storm) are barely represented at all - better spread of money and talent.

I think the data from 2020 shows that the the higher the player gets paid (relative to their peers), the greater the chance of a substantially negative outcome. And not simply a dollar-value negative outcome (output per dollar), an all-points-considered negative outcome. Many of the worst performing players of the Top 30 are towards the top of the list.

 

[jirskyr]

You would think it was silly to leak the background check thing in the media and then go back in for him. This club doesn’t know whether they’re Arthur or Mathur.

What was quoted was they’ve decided his not a good fit. That could be interpreted many ways and could solely been in relation to salary and the cap.
The media decided to assume the outcome is behavioural.

Exactly right.

Don't assume that the media is interpreting the activity correctly, when they always need an angle to run with. The only official thing I know directly from Tigers is they were interested, and they ceased negotiations due to value for money. Let's assume Hartigan did indeed ring TPJ's manager again; we have no idea the content of that call and why it was made.