Tevita Pangai Junior

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.


The game is an auction cochise we missed another player, in an auction when it goes over your price agree you bail it doesn't mean you don't then go back and rewrite the story and go oh I never wanted that player anyway. Fact is you wanted that player but couldn't afford him or didn't want to pay that price
I agree at the price I am glad we did not sign Pangai

It is not an auction, it is a negotiation. Completely different concepts, I haven't seen one person say we didn't want him?

Yeah I don't understand how the house/real estate or job termination analogy is being used in relation to negotiations, as they couldn't be further off the mark in what type of business is taking place.

A product such as a car or pair of shoes would be more befitting or even better an event planner, building contractor or a bloody hooker would be more apt.
I.e. I wouldn't pay $100000 for a wedding planner when there's someone else offering similar services at the half the rate.
Also we're trying to attain the services of someone (not retain), unlike the Aloiai and WT dealings TPJ. So he isn't exactly an employee and the transaction isn't comparable to a dismissal or discharge.
Our situation is most like a client seeking broadband connection that lives in a remote or isolated area.

Are you saying TPJ was trying to prostitute himself? lol

 

[Needaname]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

 

[Needaname]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it. Basically he was trying to use this negotiation to double dip on money.

 

[Needaname]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

Or he says by moving to Sydney I will lose my TPAs as they are reliant on me being in Brisbane and would like that difference included in my contract. Wording of these things makes a massive difference.

 

[Needaname]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

Or he says by moving to Sydney I will lose my TPAs as they are reliant on me being in Brisbane and would like that difference included in my contract. Wording of these things makes a massive difference.

Why wouldn’t you mentioned it in the beginning? Why wait to a face to face to up your offer? I guess other clubs. ‘Probably Bulldogs’ will probably say yeah sure and will have a TPA lined up to accomodate this.

 

[Kiama Tiger]

Can someone explain this to me. We offer TPJ 600 and he agrees and then along comes the dogs and verbally offer 750. When we go to sign TPJ his manager says he wants more money to match the dogs. TPJ says he doesn’t want to play for the dogs he would rather play for us or the dragons. He says if we come close to the dogs he will be happy. We say sorry but any more than 600 is too much and we stop negotiating. Why would the dogs pay 750 for a player who doesn’t want to play for them? Are they that stupid?

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

Or he says by moving to Sydney I will lose my TPAs as they are reliant on me being in Brisbane and would like that difference included in my contract. Wording of these things makes a massive difference.

Why wouldn’t you mentioned it in the beginning? Why wait to a face to face to up your offer? I guess other clubs. ‘Probably Bulldogs’ will probably say yeah sure and will have a TPA lined up to accomodate this.

For starters, it wasn't face to face on Thursday. TPJ was willing to come here but when it was time to discuss figures he was trying to double dip, he was looking for the Broncos to stump us some cash but also didn't want that coming off his contract at the Tigers and had issues with a TPA on top of that.

 

[Needaname]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

Or he says by moving to Sydney I will lose my TPAs as they are reliant on me being in Brisbane and would like that difference included in my contract. Wording of these things makes a massive difference.

Why wouldn’t you mentioned it in the beginning? Why wait to a face to face to up your offer? I guess other clubs. ‘Probably Bulldogs’ will probably say yeah sure and will have a TPA lined up to accomodate this.

For starters, it wasn't face to face on Thursday. TPJ was willing to come here but when it was time to discuss figures he was trying to double dip, he was looking for the Broncos to stump us some cash but also didn't want that coming off his contract at the Tigers and had issues with a TPA on top of that.

A lot of detail there. Thanks for filling us in.

 

[cochise]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

that is what being outbid is all about one party outbids another and you pull out. If you didn't want the product or player you would never have made a bid in the first place.
We obviously did and he is out of our price range we withdrew
we still did not get the player

No party outbid us, that's the point mate. We were interested, no one has said we weren't, his asking point was more than we were willing to pay so we terminated the negotiation.

agree to disagree cochise on this one. I see this no different to Latrell or JAC

Who outbid us? In what way is this an auction? I will tell you now TPJ was willing to come here and we probably could have had him at training next week.

There doesn’t appear to be any room for counter offers in the recent negotiations we’ve been involved in.
If that is the case why are we presenting our best and final from the outset?
I disagree with some here I see the foundation of buying and selling and the negotiations that take place as an integral skill in player recruitment.
It seems we have too many of our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed prior to presenting that we are so sure of our target we aren’t willing to be open to adjusting our stance.

TPJ wanted us to cover money he hadn't received from TPAs.

That’s illegal.

Depends how you word it.

TPAs are supposed to be at arms length from the club.
Either the Broncos promised him these and aren’t coming through or the manager has promised his something that’s not there.
Either way in the laws of the salary cap either the Broncos or the manager have done the wrong thing here.
To expect the next club to cover this up is illegal.

Or he says by moving to Sydney I will lose my TPAs as they are reliant on me being in Brisbane and would like that difference included in my contract. Wording of these things makes a massive difference.

Why wouldn’t you mentioned it in the beginning? Why wait to a face to face to up your offer? I guess other clubs. ‘Probably Bulldogs’ will probably say yeah sure and will have a TPA lined up to accomodate this.

For starters, it wasn't face to face on Thursday. TPJ was willing to come here but when it was time to discuss figures he was trying to double dip, he was looking for the Broncos to stump us some cash but also didn't want that coming off his contract at the Tigers and had issues with a TPA on top of that.

A lot of detail there. Thanks for filling us in.

I don't know the exact issue with the TPA but do know there was some issue there.

 

[jirskyr]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

No, you go back and say they wanted more money than we were prepared to pay so we ended the conversation when we established an agreement wouldn't be reached. Than management says that was the right decision. Remind me to never let you negotiate on my behalf.

we still missed him cochise, understand he went elsewhere for more money the issue is the narrative by many on here that oh well we never wanted him to begin with.
Add him to the list
Latrell
JAC
Pangai

It's a dumb, pointless list. There will be unknown other players we "missed" as well, because every club always in the market for good footballers.

Some folks never wanted Pangai, but nobody is saying the club wasn't interested. Club was interested for the right price. Couldn't get him for the right price. Put that down on whatever list you please, it's probably a very long list of good and bad players that Tigers didn't sign based on price.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

No, you go back and say they wanted more money than we were prepared to pay so we ended the conversation when we established an agreement wouldn't be reached. Than management says that was the right decision. Remind me to never let you negotiate on my behalf.

we still missed him cochise, understand he went elsewhere for more money the issue is the narrative by many on here that oh well we never wanted him to begin with.
Add him to the list
Latrell
JAC
Pangai

It's a dumb, pointless list. There will be unknown other players we "missed" as well, because every club always in the market for good footballers.

Some folks never wanted Pangai, but nobody is saying the club wasn't interested. Club was interested for the right price. Couldn't get him for the right price. Put that down on whatever list you please, it's probably a very long list of good and bad players that Tigers didn't sign based on price.

it’s the players we reject
that make wests tigers the Best
Latrell even signed elsewhere for less !
We are not a desirable club we need to pay overs for the right player

 

[jirskyr]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

That's not how auctions work. You don't go to buy, you go to speculate. There's no guarantee.

You can use the term "miss out" if you want, and there is no obvious point where to draw the line. If you speak to the manager, have you missed out? If you meet the player have you missed out? If you put the player's name in your recruitment spreadsheet have you missed out?

It's pointless to be focusing on it, because every team misses out on players. Roosters missed out on Doueihi. Panthers missed out on Tamou because they did offer him an extension. The alternative is to never go to an auction at all and sign nobody.

 

[jirskyr]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

No, you go back and say they wanted more money than we were prepared to pay so we ended the conversation when we established an agreement wouldn't be reached. Than management says that was the right decision. Remind me to never let you negotiate on my behalf.

we still missed him cochise, understand he went elsewhere for more money the issue is the narrative by many on here that oh well we never wanted him to begin with.
Add him to the list
Latrell
JAC
Pangai

It's a dumb, pointless list. There will be unknown other players we "missed" as well, because every club always in the market for good footballers.

Some folks never wanted Pangai, but nobody is saying the club wasn't interested. Club was interested for the right price. Couldn't get him for the right price. Put that down on whatever list you please, it's probably a very long list of good and bad players that Tigers didn't sign based on price.

it’s the players we reject
that make wests tigers the Best
Latrell even signed elsewhere for less !
We are not a desirable club we need to pay overs for the right player

The last part is the only accurate thing you have said. Tigers are not desirable. We don't always need to pay overs, it just depends how hot the market is.

 

[jirskyr]

Can someone explain this to me. We offer TPJ 600 and he agrees and then along comes the dogs and verbally offer 750. When we go to sign TPJ his manager says he wants more money to match the dogs. TPJ says he doesn’t want to play for the dogs he would rather play for us or the dragons. He says if we come close to the dogs he will be happy. We say sorry but any more than 600 is too much and we stop negotiating. Why would the dogs pay 750 for a player who doesn’t want to play for them? Are they that stupid?

It may simply be that for 750K Pangai has his list of preferred clubs, but you can't be on the list of you aren't paying 750K.

I'm sure he's very happy to go to Bulldogs for an extra 150K per season over 2-3 years.

Or it's simply the negotiating tactic "mate, we'd prefer to do business with you, if you can increase your offer to [MAGIC NUMBER] then we'll tell the other guys they are out of the running".

 

[hugh1954]

Can someone explain this to me. We offer TPJ 600 and he agrees and then along comes the dogs and verbally offer 750. When we go to sign TPJ his manager says he wants more money to match the dogs. TPJ says he doesn’t want to play for the dogs he would rather play for us or the dragons. He says if we come close to the dogs he will be happy. We say sorry but any more than 600 is too much and we stop negotiating. Why would the dogs pay 750 for a player who doesn’t want to play for them? Are they that stupid?

Yes and you think we have it bad, they are in total panic mode

 

[Moh]

Lol he gets linked to us, 66 put on us. Linked to Dogs, 66 put on them.

Dragons must be favourites.