Tevita Pangai Junior

[cochise]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Bulldogs seem to be well in the equation, Tigers were the only club willing to make a formal offer at this point but seems the Dogs will meet what he wants.

Would've liked him here but no way I'd be paying 700k+. Happy the club walked away.

$700k plus he was trying to double dip, so he was looking for a lot more than that.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Bulldogs seem to be well in the equation, Tigers were the only club willing to make a formal offer at this point but seems the Dogs will meet what he wants.

Neither North or South …. so called targets ….. are worth that sort of money ……
Next!

 

[Snake]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Bulldogs seem to be well in the equation, Tigers were the only club willing to make a formal offer at this point but seems the Dogs will meet what he wants.

Would've liked him here but no way I'd be paying 700k+. Happy the club walked away.

To much baggage for mine (off field) when coming to the big smoke .
I'm glad the club has walked for that amount ,keep knocking on doors !

 

[kiwitiger]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Am i reading this right? The club tells a group of fans about contract negotiations and salaries? Not sure i agree with that. Really trying to control the message.
Will they tell us what Brooks, Mbye or Packer is really on or only what they are negotiating on?

 

[SeanT]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

700k is overs for him. He is inconsistent and never passes the ball to his left. He hogs it unless he does an offload. I'm happy for him to go to the Bulldogs or dragons at that price and put their salary cap out of wack....

Isn't $700k an obscene amount of money, that is just under $13,500 a week to a kid playing footy? No wonder they get a sense of entitlement.
I know it is chickenfeed to some other sports, but it's an amount I can't comprehend ever seeing in my lifetime.
And the thing is, if he signs for say 4 years, he's under no obligation to perform for his money and leaves probably a multi millionaire?

Aka Blair,Milford,ash Taylor,packer etc... Recruitment needs to look at the entire previous contract in regards to effort. It just a few good games at the end of it.

 

[tony soprano]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Am i reading this right? The club tells a group of fans about contract negotiations and salaries? Not sure i agree with that. Really trying to control the message.

Yeah pretty lame

 

[Nelson]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Yes they got Burton at a bargain rate, I wondered if their was a trigger clause or an out, looks like he has both going on what you are saying

It remains to be seen whether Burton is a bargain at the ~$500,000 a season they reportedly signed him on. He's been pretty sporadic in his performances in the halves.

It wasn't that much, it was more like $300k, the $500k was for the latter years in his deal

SMH reports $450K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024) (and elsewhere reports $1.45 million over 3 years)
Zero tackle lists $500K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024)
The Australian reports "more than $1 million...two-year deal" (presumably not including the player option, elsewhere it reports "more than $900,000" over 2 years)
The Daily Telegraph reports a "$1.45 million three-year deal"

That is more consistent reporting than is usually seen around contract values and I have not seen it reported anywhere that his first year is as low as $300K. It is one of the rare cases in which (I think) you could have some confidence in what is reported and that he is getting about $450K (2022), $500K (2023) and has a player option for $500K in 2024. That may turn out to be a very good investment for them, but it's not peanuts.

If he goes on to play like he did against us at Leichhardt it will be overs - he was awful in that game!

 

[tiger05premier]

Paying overs for players is not and never has been good policy but it it is what we have repeatedly done in the past for zero results.Buying TPJ or Finucane at inflated prices will do nothing to change that.Caveat Emptor

Souths did this with Asotasi, it changed the whole perception of the club, and lead to other high profile players joining.
Problem is, we do it with the wrong players, if we had landed Latrell or JAC, others would follow.
Packer, Reynolds and Mbye won't and haven't attracted other players

In that case though.
Asotasi would be like Signing Payne Hass or Nelson Asofa Solomona. Whom I’d happily give overs for.
TPJ is more like signing Willy Mason back then.

Solomon hormoneo

He took off with the pleasure machine ?

Haha…the pleasure machine. So funny. Imagine trying to give a girl that public moniker these days.

I wonder how the hell that even came about.

You got her number ?
?

Yeah it's

555 000 4444

 

[clontarfkid]

Paying overs for players is not and never has been good policy but it it is what we have repeatedly done in the past for zero results.Buying TPJ or Finucane at inflated prices will do nothing to change that.Caveat Emptor

Souths did this with Asotasi, it changed the whole perception of the club, and lead to other high profile players joining.
Problem is, we do it with the wrong players, if we had landed Latrell or JAC, others would follow.
Packer, Reynolds and Mbye won't and haven't attracted other players

In that case though.
Asotasi would be like Signing Payne Hass or Nelson Asofa Solomona. Whom I’d happily give overs for.
TPJ is more like signing Willy Mason back then.

Solomon hormoneo

He took off with the pleasure machine ?

Haha…the pleasure machine. So funny. Imagine trying to give a girl that public moniker these days.

I wonder how the hell that even came about.

You got her number ?
?

Yeah it's

555 000 4444

Nah..its 44..26..38
Trust me

 

[851]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Yes they got Burton at a bargain rate, I wondered if their was a trigger clause or an out, looks like he has both going on what you are saying

It remains to be seen whether Burton is a bargain at the ~$500,000 a season they reportedly signed him on. He's been pretty sporadic in his performances in the halves.

It wasn't that much, it was more like $300k, the $500k was for the latter years in his deal


SMH reports $450K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024) (and elsewhere reports $1.45 million over 3 years)
Zero tackle lists $500K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024)
The Australian reports "more than $1 million...two-year deal" (presumably not including the player option, elsewhere it reports "more than $900,000" over 2 years)
The Daily Telegraph reports a "$1.45 million three-year deal"

That is more consistent reporting than is usually seen around contract values and I have not seen it reported anywhere that his first year is as low as $300K. It is one of the rare cases in which (I think) you could have some confidence in what is reported and that he is getting about $450K (2022), $500K (2023) and has a player option for $500K in 2024. That may turn out to be a very good investment for them, but it's not peanuts.

If he goes on to play like he did against us at Leichhardt it will be overs - he was awful in that game!

The SMH one is what I heard, goes up to $450k next year, and $500k the year after, first year was around $300k, as he was on minimum wage at Penrith, it was a fair jump in earnings

 

[iwasright]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

700k is overs for him. He is inconsistent and never passes the ball to his left. He hogs it unless he does an offload. I'm happy for him to go to the Bulldogs or dragons at that price and put their salary cap out of wack....

I can confirm that he’s manager is pushing for $800000 plus for the more struggling clubs

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Thanks for the info. Looks like it’s the dragons. For $700k good luck.

Any news on finucane?

We have no interest in finucane

 

[Nelson]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Yes they got Burton at a bargain rate, I wondered if their was a trigger clause or an out, looks like he has both going on what you are saying

It remains to be seen whether Burton is a bargain at the ~$500,000 a season they reportedly signed him on. He's been pretty sporadic in his performances in the halves.

It wasn't that much, it was more like $300k, the $500k was for the latter years in his deal


SMH reports $450K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024) (and elsewhere reports $1.45 million over 3 years)
Zero tackle lists $500K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024)
The Australian reports "more than $1 million...two-year deal" (presumably not including the player option, elsewhere it reports "more than $900,000" over 2 years)
The Daily Telegraph reports a "$1.45 million three-year deal"

That is more consistent reporting than is usually seen around contract values and I have not seen it reported anywhere that his first year is as low as $300K. It is one of the rare cases in which (I think) you could have some confidence in what is reported and that he is getting about $450K (2022), $500K (2023) and has a player option for $500K in 2024. That may turn out to be a very good investment for them, but it's not peanuts.

If he goes on to play like he did against us at Leichhardt it will be overs - he was awful in that game!

The SMH one is what I heard, goes up to $450k next year, and $500k the year after, first year was around $300k, as he was on minimum wage at Penrith, it was a fair jump in earnings

That might have been what he was going to get this year if he could get a release off Penrith and yes, that would have been a significant upgrade from what he was on.

 

[iwasright]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

 

[hobbo1]

Paying overs for players is not and never has been good policy but it it is what we have repeatedly done in the past for zero results.Buying TPJ or Finucane at inflated prices will do nothing to change that.Caveat Emptor

Souths did this with Asotasi, it changed the whole perception of the club, and lead to other high profile players joining.
Problem is, we do it with the wrong players, if we had landed Latrell or JAC, others would follow.
Packer, Reynolds and Mbye won't and haven't attracted other players

In that case though.
Asotasi would be like Signing Payne Hass or Nelson Asofa Solomona. Whom I’d happily give overs for.
TPJ is more like signing Willy Mason back then.

Solomon hormoneo

He took off with the pleasure machine ?

Haha…the pleasure machine. So funny. Imagine trying to give a girl that public moniker these days.

I wonder how the hell that even came about.

You got her number ?
?

Yeah it's

555 000 4444

Legend !

 

[851]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Yes they got Burton at a bargain rate, I wondered if their was a trigger clause or an out, looks like he has both going on what you are saying

It remains to be seen whether Burton is a bargain at the ~$500,000 a season they reportedly signed him on. He's been pretty sporadic in his performances in the halves.

It wasn't that much, it was more like $300k, the $500k was for the latter years in his deal


SMH reports $450K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024) (and elsewhere reports $1.45 million over 3 years)
Zero tackle lists $500K (2022) $500K (2023) Player option (2024)
The Australian reports "more than $1 million...two-year deal" (presumably not including the player option, elsewhere it reports "more than $900,000" over 2 years)
The Daily Telegraph reports a "$1.45 million three-year deal"

That is more consistent reporting than is usually seen around contract values and I have not seen it reported anywhere that his first year is as low as $300K. It is one of the rare cases in which (I think) you could have some confidence in what is reported and that he is getting about $450K (2022), $500K (2023) and has a player option for $500K in 2024. That may turn out to be a very good investment for them, but it's not peanuts.

If he goes on to play like he did against us at Leichhardt it will be overs - he was awful in that game!

The SMH one is what I heard, goes up to $450k next year, and $500k the year after, first year was around $300k, as he was on minimum wage at Penrith, it was a fair jump in earnings

That might have been what he was going to get this year if he could get a release off Penrith and yes, that would have been a significant upgrade from what he was on.

Sorry got my years wrong, it was a 3 year contract, with a player option for the 3rd year, but the figures were $300k maybe $350k, then $450k then $500k, thats what I heard anyway

 

[hsvjones]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

Who are we chasing if you are in the know?

 

[Demps]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

Haha.
Congratulations.

Do you have a Polo shirt though?
@hobbo1 and @Tiger5150 want one.


 

[iwasright]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Am i reading this right? The club tells a group of fans about contract negotiations and salaries? Not sure i agree with that. Really trying to control the message.
Will they tell us what Brooks, Mbye or Packer is really on or only what they are negotiating on?

The club will not talk to fans about salaries and so on. I don’t know where the information is coming from

 

[hobbo1]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

Haha.
Congratulations.

Do you have a Polo shirt though?
@hobbo1 and @Tiger5150 want one.


I thought I posted some crap but you’re right up there ?

 

[851]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

And we are the outsideclub, outside the 8, outside when all good players are putting pen to paper, and an outside chance at the spoon each year, how do we get inside mate