Tevita Pangai Junior

[happy_tiger]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

Let me quote you the Pom Laurie won’t be at the club till 22 which I stated 21 hmmm Big Joe O wasn’t confirmed till I said something Gebbie was never mentioned but I said before season started we were after him wait I think their is more oh yeah Hastings signing

Great news ...you can wear your big boy pants now ....congratulations ......

 

[iwasright]

Pangai on the nose now...who's next? I doubt Finucane is going to sign...

We are not after finucane we weren’t interested in him or media rev up

Bad decision I think as we desperately need a player like him for guidance. they don't come up much and we have the money..
Do you know if we are chasing anyone of quality ? Don't have the mention names etc..

I agree I wanted TPJ as well but the asking price way too much. I know that Payne Haas is not happy at the broncos and will ask for a release of a good offer comes he’s way we will definitely have a crack at him but so would other clubs like Roosters and the dogs

 

[iwasright]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

Let me quote you the Pom Laurie won’t be at the club till 22 which I stated 21 hmmm Big Joe O wasn’t confirmed till I said something Gebbie was never mentioned but I said before season started we were after him wait I think their is more oh yeah Hastings signing

Great news ...you can wear your big boy pants now ....congratulations ......

I love when people get hurt just appreciate that I give good information and don’t cry like a baby

 

[happy_tiger]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

Let me quote you the Pom Laurie won’t be at the club till 22 which I stated 21 hmmm Big Joe O wasn’t confirmed till I said something Gebbie was never mentioned but I said before season started we were after him wait I think their is more oh yeah Hastings signing

Great news ...you can wear your big boy pants now ....congratulations ......

I love when people get hurt just appreciate that I give good information and don’t cry like a baby

I love it when people brag like complete tossers .....

Well lets here the next big prediction superstar ......I'll even post it in my favourites ......page 97 of the Pangai thread .....

 

[jirskyr]

Bulldogs have offered 750k a season to TPJ. TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs and informed his manager to ask both clubs to get closer to the dogs offer. During informal discussions a figure of 600k a season was all but agreed, which is why the club has walked away.

This is a bizarre one by the dogs, considering the money they have tied up in some of their other recruits. JAC is signed on for 600k a season rising to 750k if he plays a certain amount of games at fullback, Naden and Allan on 400k+ and Cotric on 500k. Not to mention they're paying 350k of DWZ contract for next season.

They seem to be getting themselves in a bit of mess with the cap going forward. Heard there is a bit of discord over there as not everyone in the recruiting process has been informed of agreements and dont see eye to eye on targets (TPJ & Johnson). Some seem to be of the view to get any talent over there for any price where a others want to target certain positions and be diligent in how they organise their cap for future years and build the team.

Signing TPJ would all but end their hopes of signing B. Smith. They also have a tricky situation where Burton will be available to negotiate from November 2022 and would be due a hefty pay rise.

Yes they got Burton at a bargain rate, I wondered if their was a trigger clause or an out, looks like he has both going on what you are saying

It remains to be seen whether Burton is a bargain at the ~$500,000 a season they reportedly signed him on. He's been pretty sporadic in his performances in the halves.

I think this weekend will be the 1st time you can judge Burton truly and honestly

He looked pretty handy last game when Cleary wasn't there

The only two losses Penrith had all year Burton was playing halves.

 

[Tiger5150]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

LOL...went back and saw your post, now Im coming back to you....

jc99 quoted Christian Nicolussi **21 hours ago**......


Then the Pom confirmed it...***12hours ago***....

and then you swooped in with your shock scoop, 6 hours ago, confirming what everyone had already known for 14 hours.


The way you "confirm" information that has already been widely reported, I actually amazed you get 10% wrong.

 

[TYGA]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

Let me quote you the Pom Laurie won’t be at the club till 22 which I stated 21 hmmm Big Joe O wasn’t confirmed till I said something Gebbie was never mentioned but I said before season started we were after him wait I think their is more oh yeah Hastings signing

Great news ...you can wear your big boy pants now ....congratulations ......

I love when people get hurt just appreciate that I give good information and don’t cry like a baby

Did I miss something? I’ll take your word for it that you are always right which is good. Who are we targeting and or are all these rumours smoke screens?

 

[happy_tiger]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me


LOL...went back and saw your post, now Im coming back to you....

jc99 quoted Christian Nicolussi **21 hours ago**......


Then the Pom confirmed it...***12hours ago***....

and then you swooped in with your shock scoop, 6 hours ago, confirming what everyone had already known for 14 hours.


The way you "confirm" information that has already been widely reported, I actually amazed you get 10% wrong.

Superstar indeed .....

New prediction hasn't arrived yet

 

[jirskyr]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Thanks for the info. Looks like it’s the dragons. For $700k good luck.

Any news on finucane?

The phrase used was "player of interest".

Also - Tim Sheens likes Hastings a lot, recently coached him in the All Stars team against England. Very competitive and drives high standards; has matured a lot since moving to the UK.

Sheens himself arrives end of July, not sure if that means pre or post hotel quarantine.

 

[jirskyr]

Dogs will get a gun player then, while we will remain scarred by past mistakes.

Dogs are creating new mistakes to be scarred by in the future. Already Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan, Cotric.

 

[happy_tiger]

Dogs will get a gun player then, while we will remain scarred by past mistakes.

Dogs are creating new mistakes to be scarred by in the future. Already Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan, Cotric.

Don't think Cotric is a bad player ...like any winger he needs decent ball

Same reason I haven't given up on Roberts completely just yet

 

[Tiger5150]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me

Let me quote you the Pom Laurie won’t be at the club till 22 which I stated 21 hmmm Big Joe O wasn’t confirmed till I said something Gebbie was never mentioned but I said before season started we were after him wait I think their is more oh yeah Hastings signing

Great news ...you can wear your big boy pants now ....congratulations ......

I love when people get hurt just appreciate that I give good information and don’t cry like a baby

Did I miss something? I’ll take your word for it that you are always right which is good. Who are we targeting and or are all these rumours smoke screens?

He will get straight back to you.....approximately 90 mins afters Fox or the Pom reports it.

 

[jirskyr]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

Why can't it be genuine? You don't sign people until you do your due diligence, which includes interviews and research.

So what happens, Tigers meet Pangai, tell them their plan for him, he seems indifferent or seems interested mostly in the money. You walk away and think about what has just happened. Maybe Tigers asked for references and they weren't good. Maybe he's got a bit of injury history they didn't know about.

The Bulldogs 2021/2022 are nothing but the Tigers circa 2017, throwing money about because they are desperate and they have money to throw. Their roster is shallow as a pond and they are spending in all the wrong places. Already their 2021 big signings are horrible failures, not even 12 weeks into the year - Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Corey Allan. Joe Stimson was a bad purchase from Storm. Luke Thompson hasn't worked out yet. Corey Waddell from Manly is a plodder.

If you walk into a house auction and some lunatic is throwing their chequebook around, that isn't "sneaking under your guard" that is madness and you are better to save your money.

I don't think the Dogs recruitment for next year can be compared to ours previously. Yes, their recruitment up to now has been bad...but Burton is a legit star and we all know how good JAC is.

Re TPJ...there is 5 solid years of evidence as to 'who' he is. I really don't think our recruitment team only worked it out at the last min. The Pom said we tabled an offer...so they must have been very convinced to do so. They would have got all those references you mention 'before' putting the offer on the table, surely?

I don't claim to know anything about it. I'm not making inferences.

The comment from Nicolusi, not even an official comment from Tigers, is that Tigers "are convinced he's not a good fit". Brent Read used the term "go cold".

You said "having doubts" at this time point is nonsense. But you don't know anything about it. Tigers may have had doubts the entire time and were seeing what the cost would be, to see if the player was genuine and a good fit, to see if the coach liked him.

Is there anyone on the forum that thinks it's actually a good idea to spend 700K on Pangai?

Last time Hartigan talked to our group about recruitment, he talked about the "player fit" part of recruitment, to be the right type of player to bring on board, regardless of his footballing ability. You can't determine the personality and character of a person from a piece of paper. Job interviews exist for a reason. Good recruiters, and I'm not saying Tigers are necessarily good recruiters, but good ones can tell the qualities of a potential employee from speaking to them and asking good questions.

But it may not have anything to do with Pangai as a person, it may simply be that the asking price isn't a good fit for what Tigers are looking for. It may be that Tigers flew up to Brisbane, if true, to meet Pangai because they smelled a potential bargain. And maybe, as happened the last year or two, when the stupid Bulldogs bring themselves to the table, everyone groans and waits for the stupidity money to come out.

I can only go on what the Pom said...and he has a long history of being reliable.

We tabled an offer...we have chased him for weeks...we targeted offloading ability...

I don't believe we 'went cold' this late. TPJ's "friends" are well known. I don't believe a professional recruitment team would not have known all this a month ago.

If we are waiting for a bargain price on a big name...well, JTJ and BJ have not exactly worked out. IMO we have to spend 'and' land the right players. Players go to the roosters and storm for lower wages / chance to win comps...no one decent is coming to us cheaply.

I'm sorry but The Pom has no such history of being reliable. Pom has a long history of having "good oil" on a given day and mostly refrains from making predictions, which is wise to do when you are in receipt of gossip.

Also I will guess POM's info is from a single source, not multiple sources i.e. multiple sides of a story.

Again this isn't to criticise POM, he only posts what he hears. But so many users run off and make mental plans and concoct stories based on these rumours. Many of the rumours are contradictory, or the story changes over the course of a few days. But you are almost arguing here that there is foundation to consider POM's posts as factual.

For example, these posts from the past few weeks:
>[Pangai] 100% if cards fall the way the club wants he will be here sooner rather than later.

>Talks between Bulldogs & Tigers with DWZ advanced quickly over the weekend, strong chance he’s playing for us against Eels in round 14. Money being the biggest issue for 2022, dogs expected to chip in around the $300-$350k mark, Tigers offering this season & 22/23

>Mbye from what I’m told has 4 potential suitors, Dragons is dead in the water at the moment, wanted to only pay $150,000 for this year & $300,000 for next.

Closer to 80/20 in our favour for Issako in 2021/22

I’d be fairly confident in getting Issako for this season.

Now not one of those things has actually happened. The information may have been solid, but even here I feel POM has gone out on a limb to make predictions and they were wrong. I don't mind.

You have no idea what "gone cold" means. It may only be down to the contract value. It may be duration of contract. It may have nothing to do with his alleged bikie friends or his on-field behaviour.

Well, CCTW has now mentioned the Dogs offer...and also confirmed we were prepared to pay 600 a year. Reed and Badel, both reliable for Broncs news, also said a deal was put.

I don't know first hand, nor do you...but those 'sources' combined all tend to suggest we had him...and the Dogs have come in late with more...just as they did with JAC.

I actually do have some more information this afternoon. It's second-hand information, because @Tiger_Steve and @cochise were at the meeting and I was not.

The TPJ asking price is 700K per season. He also wants his existing third-party agreements covered, as apparently they aren't all paid yet, so it will cost more again. Tigers did not make a formal offer and are not interested at that price.

Bulldogs were not mentioned. Bulldogs may or may not be the reason why the asking price is 700K.

Am i reading this right? The club tells a group of fans about contract negotiations and salaries? Not sure i agree with that. Really trying to control the message.
Will they tell us what Brooks, Mbye or Packer is really on or only what they are negotiating on?

The club will not talk to fans about salaries and so on. I don’t know where the information is coming from

Difference between talking about actual player salaries and talking about prices being bandied about. I've never heard any salaries of actual players, no.

Also I wasn't at the meeting, this was second-hand relayed to me.

 

[jirskyr]

I can confirm that he’s manager is pushing for $800000 plus for the more struggling clubs

I've only heard of "struggling clubs" being interested.

 

[jirskyr]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

How was nug gnikoms strike rate?

 

[Demps]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%

How was nug gnikoms strike rate?

He got banned before he could throw some darts but he was a good poster.

So was @Ponyo
Come back brahhhh

 

[iwasright]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me


LOL...went back and saw your post, now Im coming back to you....

jc99 quoted Christian Nicolussi **21 hours ago**......


Then the Pom confirmed it...***12hours ago***....

and then you swooped in with your shock scoop, 6 hours ago, confirming what everyone had already known for 14 hours.


The way you "confirm" information that has already been widely reported, I actually amazed you get 10% wrong.

Superstar indeed .....

New prediction hasn't arrived yet

That’s where you are wrong the club was very keen on him but not willing to break the bank for him. It had nothing to do with he’s not fit for our club? it was about the $$$

 

[Demps]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me


LOL...went back and saw your post, now Im coming back to you....

jc99 quoted Christian Nicolussi **21 hours ago**......


Then the Pom confirmed it...***12hours ago***....

and then you swooped in with your shock scoop, 6 hours ago, confirming what everyone had already known for 14 hours.


The way you "confirm" information that has already been widely reported, I actually amazed you get 10% wrong.

Superstar indeed .....

New prediction hasn't arrived yet

That’s where you are wrong the club was very keen on him but not willing to break the bank for him. It had nothing to do with he’s not fit for our club? it was about the $$$

You get your info from forums and Facebook posts.

My man @tigerballs is the real deal.
Ear to the street.

 

[jirskyr]

That’s where you are wrong the club was very keen on him but not willing to break the bank for him. It had nothing to do with he’s not fit for our club😂 it was about the $$$

What they are saying is they want to hear your next / independent prediction about what Tigers are going to do, independent of what other sources have already stated.

 

[Tiger5150]

I can confirm we are definitely out of the race for TPJ he’s manager is asking $800000 plus, good on the club for not paying overs. We have learnt from our mistakes.

Iwasright is right again. Keep it coming

Don’t forget I was the insideman till I got barred. Insideman had a strike rate above 90%


It helps bump up your strike rate when you "confirm" your information hours after its confirmed in the media and by Pom.

Lol go back and see my post than come back to me


LOL...went back and saw your post, now Im coming back to you....

jc99 quoted Christian Nicolussi **21 hours ago**......


Then the Pom confirmed it...***12hours ago***....

and then you swooped in with your shock scoop, 6 hours ago, confirming what everyone had already known for 14 hours.


The way you "confirm" information that has already been widely reported, I actually amazed you get 10% wrong.

Superstar indeed .....

New prediction hasn't arrived yet

That’s where you are wrong the club was very keen on him but not willing to break the bank for him. It had nothing to do with he’s not fit for our club? it was about the $$$

Yeah......thats what Pom said.