Tevita Pangai Junior

[cochise]

Club can spin this however they like - another player who chose not to come here.

?

And another example of management failing.

It was exactly what management should be doing.

Not sure I follow…?

Pulling out of negotiations when a player is searching for more money than he is worth is what I want the club to do.

 

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

They club is looking for players with 100-150 games experience to provide that leadership.

 

[Krammy]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen's ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

 

[hsvjones]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

They club is looking for players with 100-150 games experience to provide that leadership.

Unfortunately we don't have a very good record of attracting players regardless of games played. I just feel sorry for these young talented kids looking up to players like Packer, Mbye, Joey etc with a losing culture and just happy to be paid when they should be learning their trade off players like Finucane, Wade Graham, bromwich, RTS, I Yeo etc... Players that put in every game and lead by example.

 

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

They club is looking for players with 100-150 games experience to provide that leadership.

Unfortunately we don't have a very good record of attracting players regardless of games played. I just feel sorry for these young talented kids looking up to players like Packer, Mbye, Joey etc with a losing culture and just happy to be paid when they should be learning their trade off players like Finucane, Wade Graham, bromwich, RTS, I Yeo etc... Players that put in every game and lead by example.

No I agree with that part, I was just stating the plan.

 

[hsvjones]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

They club is looking for players with 100-150 games experience to provide that leadership.

Unfortunately we don't have a very good record of attracting players regardless of games played. I just feel sorry for these young talented kids looking up to players like Packer, Mbye, Joey etc with a losing culture and just happy to be paid when they should be learning their trade off players like Finucane, Wade Graham, bromwich, RTS, I Yeo etc... Players that put in every game and lead by example.

No I agree with that part, I was just stating the plan.

Yes I know and was not having a go at you if that's how it come across :+1:

Do you think we will actually get any signings that will excite us fans and help lead the team?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Brandon Smith come down to Concord

He’s rise at 9 this year has been tremendous.

make it happen Tigers

Won't happen when Finucane leaves

I know we can live in hope

 

[jrtiger]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

 

[avocadoontoast]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

 

[getagrip]

FWIW, Dean Ritchie reporting that he has "heard" TPJ to Tigers effective immediately this week.


Somebody downvoted this? I think I have a stalker....I feel so special.

Take this thumbs up.

I think some people might be downvoting the news it's self and not you, as the poster.
Just a theory.

Either way, it wasn't me... ??


Whoever it was undid it after I had a whine. CB is probably right it was someone with thick thumbs. I may be slightly paranoid after my recent downvote onslaught in the Jungle Polo thread.

Just a question. I didn't know you could tell if you were downvoted, unless of course there were no upvotes?


Two people upvoted it, if you hover over the upvotes it tells you who upvoted it, but the upvote "count" was one.

OK. thank You.

 

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Club can spin this however they like - another player who chose not to come here.

?

And another example of management failing.

It was exactly what management should be doing.

Not sure I follow…?

Pulling out of negotiations when a player is searching for more money than he is worth is what I want the club to do.

And they are doing it ….. and good on them.
Stay solid on that front.
Slow and steady wins the race.

Our approach to Recruitment is not an issue for me ….. our lack of improvement with what we have, particularly in defence, is ….. and if things don’t improve in next six weeks than heads will need to roll both on player and coaching staff.

 

[PabloX]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.

Like Finucane and Smith

 

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.

Like Finucane and Smith

Possibly, I think Finucane is asking for too much money for too many years though.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Well said. Agree with every word.

 

[Guest]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.

Like Finucane and Smith

Possibly, I think Finucane is asking for too much money for too many years though.

Indeed he is.

 

[jadtiger]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Allan would be on more than 400k,he was a current SOO player when signed

 

[Cairnstigers]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Laundry can bump that figure up significantly if he chooses to do so

 

[avocadoontoast]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Laundry can bump that figure up significantly if he chooses to do so

If he does i'm sure it will all come out in the wash.

 

[Furious1]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. **It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.**

Perfect. Thats exactly how i feel. Target a specific few players to come as a group as opposed to the lone ranger. Easier said then done, but also easier to sell.